Violent games, lyrics, jokes versus threats

[titankore]

Now pretty much all of us have played games with violence, just about a given on this site. We almost all have also enjoyed songs with violence in the lyrics, or a joke that involves it as well.

I have no problem with any of those, because they don't really advocate violence and no one is being harmed (except virtual mutant space crab zombies). The problem is when someone is being hurt, when a song advocates beating women, a game is basically a simulator for how to murder a current political leader.



There is an artist called "Yelling at Cats" who often has violence in some of his songs, but recently one of them features actual threats to a person who is named in the lyrics.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/17TBKEf00jVCGRBzfeXDpB9bx7GB9Ln1KBZE4GPCuiec/edit

Then there was the whole Danial Tosh fiasco where he said to a female heckler "Hey, wouldn't it be funny if you got raped? Like if a bunch of guys just showed up and gangraped you?"
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/07/11/why-daniel-tosh-s-rape-joke-at-the-laugh-factory-wasn-t-funny.html

There are those who defend these two and all too few who call them out on it in my opinion.

Do you think that there is a line between entertainment and actually hurting/threatening people under the guise of entertainment?

 

[SomeLameStuff]

Naaaaaaah.

And that Danial Tosh guy is so GREEN! THIS is how you handle hecklers!

 

[titankore]

Naaaaaaah.

Ummm.... slightly better. At least it doesn't seem like an active threat as opposed to Danial Tosh's response.

 

[Shadowstar38]

After listening to the song, I dont think it's that bad. This comment from the youtube version sums it up.

People say this generation is desensitized. Honestly, some people are being way too sensitive about this issue. It's a song, music is where you express your feelings. There is a literary technique known as hyperbole that's commonly used, especially in rap, and it's basically exaggeration.
Damn, just enjoy the song, because it's awesome as shit. \m/

The alleged homophobic line and transphobic line are par for the course as far as rappers of this sub-genre go. Insinuation that someone is a homosexual is used as an insult.

As for Tosh. People telling a comdian what he can and cant make jokes about is annoying. But that statement he made lacked any effort. It was just kind of blatantly fucked up.

 

[titankore]

After listening to the song, I dont think it's that bad. This comment from the youtube version sums it up.

People say this generation is desensitized. Honestly, some people are being way too sensitive about this issue. It's a song, music is where you express your feelings. There is a literary technique known as hyperbole that's commonly used, especially in rap, and it's basically exaggeration.
Damn, just enjoy the song, because it's awesome as shit. \m/

The point is that he is blatantly threatening another human being by name. He is causing a person psychological harm by saying that he wants to murder her. Several of his fans say they want to murder her as well.

I have no problem with violent lyrics, games, etc, except when it actually harms someone. Having been on the receiving end of a threat from a person who has had a violent past, I know how scary it can be.

 

[demoman_chaos]

Yeah, he is guilty. Death threats are no joke, especially when naming the person. If he would have said "*****" or something in place of her name, it wouldn't be as bad. Using her name however, is crossing the line.

 

[titankore]

"Yamino, yeah, I?m looking at you, I wanna beat your face to a rainbow hue
Drink some Rainbow Juice, to the same old abuse, beat your head in ?til your brain goes loose
Now listen the issue is simple I just need a little bit of time for relieving
I want to grab Yamino?s neck and then choke it until the dumb ***** stops breathing

You ain?t nothing but a lame old tranny, wantin? a big man to bang that fanny. No!
You trying to be the fandom?s nanny, your OC?s a girl but your real name?s Danny. Go!
I ain?t gonna take any more of your shit, I don?t need your bits or attention, hell
I should mention the fact that you shipped Finn and Jake, so you can take your morals and fuck yourself!"



He threatens her by name, that is the whole point of why this crosses the line. Danial Tosh basically threatened a woman to her face as well.

 

[Kitty4President]

It's also worth mentioning that the reason that Yelling at Cats is threatening her is because of a cartoon pony.

That alone makes me sick.

 

[Broderick]

Oh god dammit, please don't bring that drama here too! This is one of the few places I can go to avoid it, aside from that fabled "outside" place everyone keeps talking about(I dont want to go there, sounds scary). Now I have not listened to the song, in fact, the last song that I heard from him was the "guncakes" colab. Now I am with the person above saying that you need to not take his, or other peoples songs so seriously, especially when they are made to be offensive. However, I am with you on that he shouldnt have threatened her by name, that crosses a few lines.

As for your question, yes I do believe there is a line, and that is when you threaten specific people. Even if he is not being serious, he is still bashing someone in a song form, for everyone to see. This is more than just a slap in the face to the victim.

Frankly, I just hope all this drama about YAC calms down, it was bad enough after EFNW, but now we have this; its almost getting to the point where people are looking for reasons to be angry at him. In this case, yes you and many many others have a point, but these things can snowball. Lets try not to let this specific case get out of hand.

 

[titankore]

It's also worth mentioning that the reason that Yelling at Cats is threatening her is because of a cartoon pony.

That alone makes me sick.

Threatening someone publicly like that is appalling in of itself, but I wanted people's opinions on the deed itself, not just on how light of an offense she did to warrant it.


Honestly I don't like Yamino, she is the worst kind of attention hog. She did raise a bruhaha about a cartoon character that upset some fans of said character. Which in context that does make his threats even less unwarranted.

 

[Shadowstar38]

"Yamino, yeah, I?m looking at you, I wanna beat your face to a rainbow hue
Drink some Rainbow Juice, to the same old abuse, beat your head in ?til your brain goes loose
Now listen the issue is simple I just need a little bit of time for relieving
I want to grab Yamino?s neck and then choke it until the dumb ***** stops breathing

You ain?t nothing but a lame old tranny, wantin? a big man to bang that fanny. No!
You trying to be the fandom?s nanny, your OC?s a girl but your real name?s Danny. Go!
I ain?t gonna take any more of your shit, I don?t need your bits or attention, hell
I should mention the fact that you shipped Finn and Jake, so you can take your morals and fuck yourself!"



He threatens her by name, that is the whole point of why this crosses the line. Danial Tosh basically threatened a woman to her face as well.

Again. Rap music. The Probability of him making good on the threats are extremely low.

 

[titankore]

Snip

Pretty much my point, glad you agree with the main point of not directly threatening people.

I don't know about the other drama going on with Cats, but at the same time it feels like that this incident should be made a big deal, so that others know that there is a line that they should not cross.

 

[excalipoor]

Wait... What the hell is this? My Little Gangsta Rap?

 

[StylinBones]

In comedy, if one thing is fair game, everything is fair game. Rape jokes can be funny, if tasteful. "I'm going to rape you" isn't a joke. Tosh's thing is meh, not all that creative. Anthony Jeselnik, that guy is creative.

 

[RanD00M]

"Violence towards woman" to me = Entire argument out the fucking window. Why is it so bad that the specific argument is against women and not just violence in general.
Not trying to turn this into a gender debate, no one has to tell me anything but I fail to see how the gender of the person being threaten'd really matters.

 

[Something Amyss]

There is a difference between hazing someone (what danial tosh did to the retard who heckled him)

Wow. I don't know whether to laugh or facedesk.

 

[BarbaricGoose]

As for Tosh. People telling a comdian what he can and cant make jokes about is annoying. But that statement he made lacked any effort. It was just kind of blatantly fucked up.

Agreed. As a comedian, you should be funny. When you get a heckler, yes it sucks, but you need to be funny. What Tosh did was basically just throw an insult at her. An insult any angry idiot could've come up with. In fact, that insult was so unoriginal... I'm not a fuckin' comedian, but it was so unoriginal I... fuck--0 for 2. Look, it wasn't funny--it was just in bad taste. And you know, "Be funny" is literally all a comedian has to do, and he failed at that. Also, it wasn't "Not funny" because it was offensive, either; it wasn't funny because it was a shitty joke that, like you said, took no effort. I had a very guilty laugh at those 9/11 jokes Gilbert Gottfried did. Those were funny. (And horribly mean and inappropriate.) Daniel's "Joke," however, was just mean and inappropriate--there was no funny to be had. It struck me like that Kramer thing (I forget his real name) where he just starts calling the guy a ****** nonstop.

And I'm not saying insults can't be funny, either. I love Jeff Ross, and not only because his insults are hilarious, but because he strikes me as someone who isn't actually a dickhead in real life. Daniel is sort of the opposite; I get a very dickish vibe from him, and I'm lukewarm to his mediocre standup.

As for the song, I haven't listened to it. I'm sure it's shit, and I don't feel like putting myself through that.

 

[Broderick]

Wait... What the hell is this? My Little Gangsta Rap?

If a music genre exists, there is a musician out there making songs inspired by my little pony:friendship is magic in it.

Snip

Pretty much my point, glad you agree with the main point of not directly threatening people.

I don't know about the other drama going on with Cats, but at the same time it feels like that this incident should be made a big deal, so that others know that there is a line that they should not cross.

Indeed, perhaps you have a point, at least with getting him to cut out on specifically insulting someone. If he were to change the lyrics to be more general, I think it would be better. As for the EFNW drama involving him...well, I didnt hear about it till after the con, so I didn't even notice. Here is the gist of what happened, basically he showed up drunk about an hour before performances happened and caused a bunch of the other musicians to have their schedules changed, or something of the sort anyways.