Violent Video Games "Warped" the Dark Knight Rises Killer

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Rhymer

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Lil_Rimmy said:
The Plunk said:
Both guns and video games are legal in Switzerland...

So how come no one has tried to re-enact Tribes: Ascend on the Alpine slopes?
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EXCUSE ME! I MUST GOT TO SWITZERLAND RIGHT NOW!
I'll see you on the slopes, sandraker.

OT: Stupid newspapers still stupid. Shocking. I suppose people are looking for a scapegoat, and video games are apparently it.
 

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And this is why I don't buy newspapers. Sensationalizing the most tragic events and bringing fame to those who should be denounced and ignored. Don't throw him into the spotlight as your example of why videogames are bad.

I just....

Arrrgh.
 

SonOfVoorhees

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So now a grown adult is not responsible for his actions? Just plain stupid. I love violent video games, hell i watch 18 cert horror movies at 9 years old. But i know there is a huge difference between murder and violence in films/games than in real life. Im sorry but anyone not knowing that shooting someone in real life is the same as a game is either to young (6 or lower) or is mentally retarded and not capable of even understanding anything.

Anyway, if games really make people violent and to kill, there would be thousands of deaths all over the world connected to games.
 

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thaluikhain said:
Are you sure? I had thought that "assault weapon" was only a US legal term, not used anywhere else.

Well, except in 40k, where it is something you can move and fire.
Correct, assault weapon was a developed as a US legal term. It's been adopted by a bunch of people and has a life of it's own at this point. The assault rifle has been defined as a sub-class of assault weapons by anti-gun lobby groups but really not by the ATF.

The whole set of definitions is nebulous at best with people arguing about the definition. State to state it varies what the court would consider an assault weapon or assault rifle. The ATF is vague on it's own definition of it

The point about military personnel's "mental picture" of an assault rifle has nothing to do with what the word actually means, just what they'd guess it means based on the name, not specific a military nomenclature. (Not to say that they're not aware of the legal definition)

Basically the whole point of the post is the term means "scary looking" weapon and not much else.
 

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I believe the phrase you're looking for is "Post hoc, ergo propter hoc." or incorrectly assuming a correlation between events that aren't necessarily related.
 

Thaluikhain

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Sincendiary said:
thaluikhain said:
Are you sure? I had thought that "assault weapon" was only a US legal term, not used anywhere else.

Well, except in 40k, where it is something you can move and fire.
Correct, assault weapon was a developed as a US legal term. It's been adopted by a bunch of people and has a life of it's own at this point. The assault rifle has been defined as a sub-class of assault weapons by anti-gun lobby groups but really not by the ATF.

The whole set of definitions is nebulous at best with people arguing about the definition. State to state it varies what the court would consider an assault weapon or assault rifle. The ATF is vague on it's own definition of it

The point about military personnel's "mental picture" of an assault rifle has nothing to do with what the word actually means, just what they'd guess it means based on the name, not specific a military nomenclature. (Not to say that they're not aware of the legal definition)

Basically the whole point of the post is the term means "scary looking" weapon and not much else.
Ah, ok, fair enough.

(Though I disagree about the definition of "assault rifle", that's used worldwide, not just by US groups)
 

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BathorysGraveland said:
I got done playing Mass Effect lately. Already locked and loaded and looking for a moment of opportunity to take out some filthy Aliens. Next group I see is fucked.
You are going to be SOOOOO embarrassed when a group of friendly aliens visits the planet.
 

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I was going to type something witty here, but the premise of the newspaper article is just too mindnumbing. I mean seriously? WoW and LoL are now considered to be violence-inspiring games? Filling people with the urge to........throw fireballs at skeletons and use mystical warhammers to crush the skulls of orcs?

Obviously this is just another ploy of a media source wanting to stir up some paper sales by throwing an age-old accusation at a situation that it absolutely doesn't apply to. Had the paper done even a cursory glance of research (i.e. watch a WoW or LoL video on youtube....) they'd realize that playing either of those games has nothing to do with going on a shooting rampage. If we're saying that WoW and LoL are violence-inspiring games, then the Dynasty Warrior/Samurai Warrior games must be creating mass murderers by the thousands! Good lord, on a single battlefield the player can literally slaughter THOUSANDS of faceless, nameless goons! We must put an end to Koei's mass-murderer producing games!
 

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Oh ffs, it didn't take them long to bring video games into this. Besides, what does World of Warcraft have to do with Batman? World of Warcraft isn't even that violent, especially when compared to some games (Splatterhouse, Manhunt, heck, even the Assassins Creed games have more violence in them).

Where do these people get this kind of stuff? This kind of stuff is, I reckon, part of what has delayed Australia getting an R18+ rating for games until now.

I am so sick of the public demonising video games, and by extension, the people who play them. I'm a 22 year old girl, I love my games, even the slightly more violent ones, and i'm normal and well adjusted. What gives?
 

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thaluikhain said:
FalloutJack said:
That's where the inconclusive part comes in. You have the close-but-not-really part there, but the thing they're mistaking is that it's not because of the violent video games making violent people. It's just that people who are prone to violence like the video games that have violence in them. The violence was always there. The game didn't magically make it appear. That is why in the years of this dragging on and on, in and out, it never comes to fruition.
I don't buy that some people are just naturally violent. There has to be environmental factors. Now, saying that cultural elements like videogames are responsible for this or that is nonsense, but they can be a factor, surely.
Again, this might only be as provable a thing as the video game violence thing itself and be just as inconclusive. The tenuous thread connecting it all is understandably tiny. It's a case of having two cords and no adaptor and the rest is just duct tape. Myself, I find it more believeable that the person is at fault because something's wrong with their head, because there are plenty of people out there who have issues. I will never accept that the instrument of fun is a maker of violence.
 

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FalloutJack said:
Again, this might only be as provable a thing as the video game violence thing itself and be just as inconclusive. The tenuous thread connecting it all is understandably tiny. It's a case of having two cords and no adaptor and the rest is just duct tape. Myself, I find it more believeable that the person is at fault because something's wrong with their head, because there are plenty of people out there who have issues. I will never accept that the instrument of fun is a maker of violence.
It would appear to me, that various societies either currently or throughout history have had very different levels of violence, and that this seems to point to societal causes for violent tendencies. If people can be swayed by propaganda and advertising, if most people hold to the religion and social norms they were brought up with, why can't cultural things such as videogames affect them?