The whole idea of men treating women as "objects of sexual conquest" was invented. Made up. Guys want sex. We have a very powerful sex drive, much stronger than the female sex drive. Therefore, the whole human sex scene is going to be dis-proportionally men seeking women, rather than women seeking men for sex.LilithSlave said:
You'd think that, but there's evidence that suggests women actually have a stronger sex drive, at a hard wired neurotransmitter level, and the difference we see is really just social. Even so, most of the notions about women having historically been property and discouraged from having sex more than men were are just bad history; we could talk all night about how both dowries and bride prices made sense in an age where wealth generally meant land, which was something that tended to be inherited rather than bought or earned, and how it was actually a brilliant way of making sure adult children of both genders were able to support a family, and how promiscuity tends to be discouraged (and, in a fit of mixed messages, encouraged) equally in both sexes, but I think I've made my point, which is that there is no point. Seriously, it's like modern feminists have become lazy. There's no easy victories to be had, the real problems, like the wage disparity, are too hard, so they focus on non-issues like "slut shaming." Sad, really.zehydra said:
I swear sometimes guys are the biggest misandrists that love stereotyping themselves and everyone else.zehydra said:
What, where? By saying that male privilege exists?Darkmantle said:
The logical reason to prefer a virgin is fear of STDs, mostly. Somewhat less logical, but still significant is the fact that many men are turned off by the idea that another man had sex with her. Of course, it is still unfair, since it would generally be considered unreasonable in western society for a woman to have a problem with a man because he is not a virgin. The problem isn't so much a man's preference of virgins but the way a woman who does the same is looked at.Vault101 said:
I feel that you are very, very sad. And I'm sad that people are out there who think like you. It makes me all the more proud to be a feminist. Because the fact that there are so many people out there who think like you, shows there is a major social problem, and is among many reasons feminism still needs to exist.zehydra said:
True, not all of them are overly sex-driven. See: Me. But males are much more sex-driven than females, that's just biology. Anyone who observes day-to-day life can see this. I've talked to hundreds of men, and hundreds of women, and there is no shadow of a doubt in my mind that men are more into sex than women are, with maybe a ten percent overlap (ie. about ten percent of females are more into sex than ten percent of males). It's just what is.LilithSlave said:
Women- make less money on average, are underrepresented in virtually all non-pornographic media, are objectified in a large portion of media, are obscenely underrepresented in positions of wealth and power, and the the most terribly impoverished type of family is the single female headed household, with women being vastly more likely to be impoverished. Yeah, that sounds like a minority to me. Sure they aren't being killed in the streets, but I sure as fuck am happy to be a man and not have to deal with all of that shit, and I certainly am willing to look at it as the problem that it is and try to deal with it.Loonyyy said:
I don't think it's always about purity or anything like that.Vault101 said:
And I likewise. People like you are part of why I was never really able to get on board with feminism. You find fault with things where there is none.LilithSlave said:
So much this. I would much rather date a virgin, or at least someone who's only done it a few times, or even just once. I don't want someone who's now dated, fucked, and loved many guys (and possibly girls). I want someone who has some self control, and shares the same ideal I have. The idea of saving your virginity for someone you love. I have little chance right now of losing it, but even if I had the chance, I'd wait for someone I care for.SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
Then you haven't met many men, apparently. As there's an entire slew of antifeminists staunchly in disagreement with you.zehydra said:
Not me. I don't like initiative guys, feels controlling or something. I'd rather the situation be mutual or the like.Hagi said:
I don't see how there's anything wrong with expecting a guy to be like 95% of the others. There's a lot wrong with shaming them for it, but you seriously underestimate the power of biology.LilithSlave said:
Not to try to ruin your day, but their is a major flaw in your logic there. Most people who say men don't really like sex more aren't saying that men in our world on average are just as interested in sex as women, instead they're trying to say that society is the reason for this, and that it is a major issue that should be dealt with. Arguing that men you know really like sex is meaningless here.lacktheknack said: