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Dalisclock said:
Do the first two games have enough vital story to require playing them first? I'm curious because the only game in the series I played was WC3 and I didn't have any trouble following that only having a vague idea what happened in the prior games. I knew there was a big war between the humans and orcs in the past, apparently the humans won and thus the orcs ended up in internment camps at the beginning of WC3.
It depends what you mean by "require."

Playing Warcraft III for the first time in an Internet cafe, I had no idea what was going on outside "humans good, orcs bad" (didn't get to play much because my friends were there for the multiplayer). Later getting the game and getting the manual, that helped, but you still need to piece it together. I remember for instance that in the Alliance history section it discusses the Second War ad nauseum, but the First War isn't ever mentioned until the Horde history section, and even then it mostly pertains to Thrall's backstory.

So, it's technically possible, but I'd argue that playing the earlier games would help. As it turned out, the order of me playing the games was 3>1>2. But point being, there's little reason to skip to three straight away IMO, even if it's the strongest of the bunch.

And on a vaguely related note, there's a film adaptation of Metal Gear Solid in the works and Metal Gear Solid was the 3rd game in the series. It was also the first game in the series most people actually played, but we'll see how well the film version ends up working out.
I'll believe it when I see it.

That said, assuming it's a full adaptation, it strikes me as making more sense to adapt Metal Gear, because otherwise you're going to have to get an awful lot of backstory out of the way. Metal Gear Solid is able to convey that backstory well because not only does it have a manual, but it's not beholden to the pacing of a movie. So when Snake is in the cell for instance, and him and Naomi discuss how he killed Big Boss, that can work. In a film though, it would come off more as exposition. In contrast, the plot of Metal Gear is light enough that it can better fit a film, but it would arguably benefit from it since you'd gain a cinematic presentation, whereas most Metal Gear games already have cinematic presentation.

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By that logic, then Game of Thrones should have begun at the War of Robert's Rebellion.
No, not really, for a number of reasons.

First, Robert's Rebellion doesn't exist in book form, so there's nothing to adapt per se. Second of all, suppose the showrunners wanted to make the Rebellion season 1 or something, then make GoT (the book) season 2, and so on. That could technically work, but it would be off in the greater scheme of things because of the time jump. You'd likely have to get a set of actors for season 1, then bring in new actors for season 2. If you want an example of this practicality, look at the Shannara Chronicles. Season 1 adapts Elfstones of Shannara. Season 2 creates its own story rather than moving onto Wishsong. You can theorize why, but a common suggestion I can get behind is that because Wishsong effectively gets a new cast of characters (at least main ones), it was probably more cost effective to stick with the original actors and strike out on their own.

And yes, you can point to Shannara as an example of an adaptation skipping the first book, but the gap between Sword and Elfstones is significant. The gap between WC1 and 2? Not so much. Most of the characters who debut in WC1 are still around in some form in WC2.
 

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BabyfartsMcgeezaks said:
Hawki said:
StarCraft, Warcraft III, and...?
Commanderfantasy said:
They are even remastering Vanilla WoW.
Okay, just never really thought of it as a re-master, more as a re-release (you can argue that's semantics, but meh).
 

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I hope this includes The Frozen Throne. In fact, I'm not interested if it doesn't.

EDIT: Aaaand, I should have read earlier posts.
 

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Adam Jensen said:
I hope this includes The Frozen Throne. In fact, I'm not interested if it doesn't.
It does.
 

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I know it's just a remaster of an old game, but it's my freakin' childhood. I'm so hyped. I'll be turning 30 next year and I'm hyped like a fuckin' teenager.
 

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Canadamus Prime said:
This is awesome and all, but I'd like to see a remaster of Warcraft II.
They've said they'll never do that. Probably becuase it requires actual effort to remaster, instead of just adding a fresh coat of paint
 

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Adam Jensen said:
I know it's just a remaster of an old game, but it's my freakin' childhood. I'm so hyped. I'll be turning 30 next year and I'm hyped like a fuckin' teenager.
Here's this other juicy video I failed to link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2zfx5hQ3CE

And the cinematic trailer in English, and it has the same voice actor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72UbFQO5-m0
 

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trunkage said:
Canadamus Prime said:
This is awesome and all, but I'd like to see a remaster of Warcraft II.
They've said they'll never do that. Probably becuase it requires actual effort to remaster, instead of just adding a fresh coat of paint
Yeah I know, I can still dream though.
 

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trunkage said:
They've said they'll never do that. Probably becuase it requires actual effort to remaster, instead of just adding a fresh coat of paint
They did, but last I heard, as of BlizzCon 2017, both WC1 and 2 were back on the table.

KingsGambit said:
Or they could've, y'know, announced Warcraft 4 and Diablo 4. That's what people actually want.
Diablo 4 is all but confirmed at this point. They could have announced it, and probably avoided a lot of the backlash for Diablo Immortal in doing so, but it would be confirming what we already know.

(Technically, Wyatt let slip that there's at least two Diablo games in development apart from Immortal, so I think D4 and D2R are pretty much givens at this point.)
 

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Hawki said:
Dalisclock said:
Do the first two games have enough vital story to require playing them first? I'm curious because the only game in the series I played was WC3 and I didn't have any trouble following that only having a vague idea what happened in the prior games. I knew there was a big war between the humans and orcs in the past, apparently the humans won and thus the orcs ended up in internment camps at the beginning of WC3.
It depends what you mean by "require."

Playing Warcraft III for the first time in an Internet cafe, I had no idea what was going on outside "humans good, orcs bad" (didn't get to play much because my friends were there for the multiplayer). Later getting the game and getting the manual, that helped, but you still need to piece it together. I remember for instance that in the Alliance history section it discusses the Second War ad nauseum, but the First War isn't ever mentioned until the Horde history section, and even then it mostly pertains to Thrall's backstory.

So, it's technically possible, but I'd argue that playing the earlier games would help. As it turned out, the order of me playing the games was 3>1>2. But point being, there's little reason to skip to three straight away IMO, even if it's the strongest of the bunch.
From my general recollection, the story is mostly in the manual for Warcraft 1. And the Dark Portal expansion for Warcraft 2.

The main big point in Warcraft 1's campaign is killing Medivh (which happens in both campaigns), and thats not even well-presented if you didn't read the manual thing.

I'm not 100% sure I actually finished all of WC2's campaigns, but I don't recall much other than Orcs chase humans across sea, then they both just start adding quasi-random ally races. Dark Portal did specifically have a story, and might have been when they started the whole chapter setups and defined canon rather then having two opposed campaigns with only one being canon.
 

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Hawki said:
I'll believe it when I see it.

That said, assuming it's a full adaptation, it strikes me as making more sense to adapt Metal Gear, because otherwise you're going to have to get an awful lot of backstory out of the way. Metal Gear Solid is able to convey that backstory well because not only does it have a manual, but it's not beholden to the pacing of a movie. So when Snake is in the cell for instance, and him and Naomi discuss how he killed Big Boss, that can work. In a film though, it would come off more as exposition. In contrast, the plot of Metal Gear is light enough that it can better fit a film, but it would arguably benefit from it since you'd gain a cinematic presentation, whereas most Metal Gear games already have cinematic presentation.
Yeah, it might turn out good but I thought the same about Max Payne and look how that turned out.

Either Metal Gear or a mixed adaptation of that and MG2 would make sense, since both games effectively follow the same course. I agree, it's gonna be interesting to see just how they explain what the big deal with Big Boss is and why everyone keeps jabbering on about him. Even more tricky is that there's more games taking place before MGS then after it, so just how much information and how to convey that to the audience.

The easiest way I can think of is do some kind of quick overview of Big Bosses Backstory during the opening credits, ending with Solid Snake killing him a couple years before the movie begins. Just hit the points about preventing WW3 in 1964, leaving government service before forming a PMC and getting engaged in conflicts across the planet for the next 30 years.
 

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After seeing this trailer I got excited and dug out my original discs for WC3 and TFT (yes I still have them. They even survived a house fire). Honestly, I think the visuals have aged pretty well. The cartoony style holds up much better over time than "realistic" aesthetics.

The only thing that really reminds me how outdated it is is the UI. Holy jumping jesus does the UI take up massive portions of the screen. You view the actual gameplay through a tiny slit in the middle of the screen with the rest of it taken up by action bars and character portraits.

I'm on the fence in regards to the remaster. Seeing as I still have access to the original there's no incentive other than making it prettier.
 

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Hawki said:
Dalisclock said:
Do the first two games have enough vital story to require playing them first? I'm curious because the only game in the series I played was WC3 and I didn't have any trouble following that only having a vague idea what happened in the prior games. I knew there was a big war between the humans and orcs in the past, apparently the humans won and thus the orcs ended up in internment camps at the beginning of WC3.
It depends what you mean by "require."

Playing Warcraft III for the first time in an Internet cafe, I had no idea what was going on outside "humans good, orcs bad" (didn't get to play much because my friends were there for the multiplayer). Later getting the game and getting the manual, that helped, but you still need to piece it together. I remember for instance that in the Alliance history section it discusses the Second War ad nauseum, but the First War isn't ever mentioned until the Horde history section, and even then it mostly pertains to Thrall's backstory.

So, it's technically possible, but I'd argue that playing the earlier games would help. As it turned out, the order of me playing the games was 3>1>2. But point being, there's little reason to skip to three straight away IMO, even if it's the strongest of the bunch.
I played WC1 back in the mid-90's. Then skipped to WC3 when it came out in '02. I later went back and played through 1 & 2. I don't think it's necessary. WC3 is still a great game today, but 1 & 2 have not aged well. They are really primitive, with awful graphics.

The WC3 manual [https://www.google.com/search?q=warcraft+3+manual&rlz=1C1GGRV_enUS761US761&oq=warcraft+3+manual&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.3679j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8] has everything you need to know, and is actually a pretty interesting read.

BTW, apparently they are going to retcon some things [https://www.pcgamesn.com/warcraft-iii-reforged/wow-changes-retcon] to make it more consistent with WoW's lore. I hope they don't cheese things up too much, because the WC3 story is ten times better than anything WoW ever came up with.
 

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Kerg3927 said:
BTW, apparently they are going to retcon some things [https://www.pcgamesn.com/warcraft-iii-reforged/wow-changes-retcon] to make it more consistent with WoW's lore. I hope they don't cheese things up too much, because the WC3 story is ten times better than anything WoW ever came up with.
Yeah that doesn't sound good at all. If it's just limited to map and such no big deal, but there's some pretty big difference that I hope they don't touch on. Like at the end of Rexxar campaign Jaina version of the alliance is slowly becoming friendlier with the horde just to have all of that ignored when you start WoW.