And the curse continues. I think it's about time we just hang up trying to make films out of the video game medium. There is nothing that film can do it and it just comes off as horrendously insecure.
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They are still cribbing pretty heavily from the same place. Yeah warcraft did make the orcs more interesting but not more fun. Instead of the savage warlike race that likes a fightin we get the noble savage race that was turned into warlike savages by demons. Really the biggest difference between the two are the fact that warcraft decided to make females and warhammer just made their orks fungas or something so they wouldn't have to give orks boobs.Samtemdo8 said:I have seen enough of Warhammer and Wacraft devolped through out the years and so far both franchises split into their own distinct style. Lets compare it to DC and Marvel.Worgen said:No, not really, it started out as a licensed game for warhammer. But then that fell through so they just changed a little about the story and over the years they just threw more and more crap into it. The most original thing they did was samurai orcs and that ended up just being one multi hero in warcraft 3, I don't think it was ever really mentioned in lore.Samtemdo8 said:What kind of fantasy world have places like this:Xsjadoblayde said:
And monsters like this:
And races like this:
Not ever fantasy setting is "generic fantasy number#" and only has just castles and dragons.
Warcraft has more personality and identity then something like say Might and Magic and Wizardry
I mean the main human faction in Warhammer is an Empire modeld after the Holy Roman Empire. While the main human faction is just a very styleized Medieval England.
The Orcs in Warhammer are just mostly savage warlike brutes, the Orcs in Warcraft are more developed especially what happened in Warcraft 3. They are people to with families and homes they want to protect. And Shamans here are nothing like the Shamans in Warhammer.
Warhammer's undead faction is lead by Vampires and Warcraft's is lead by someone that looks like Archaon with a strong theme of Ice powers.
And both have their unique factions. Warhammer has Skaven (Rat people) and Warcraft has Draenais.
And lastly Warhammer is more darker and bloodier Warcraft I mean in the Warhammer universe the bad guys win, the End Times did happeend.
Warcraft the closest thing to that happened in Catacylsm and we ended up saving the world anyway.
I don't know, last I played wow it looked like the undead were ruled by someone who was rather similar to a vampire. Sylvarus I think or something, I dont remember her name, undead elf. Only undead that didn't really look undead, no exposed bone, unless they changed that.
The drenari were weird, not only since they arrived in a space ship but also because they were like an offshoot of another race that showed up, but they didnt look anything like them since they needed to be sexy.
The first warcraft games were pretty bloody, wow really sanitized the series since they wanted a teen rating.
Ahahahaha!!! I bloody knew it was going to suck!
Also curses my work shift (I was in all day) since I was going to mention a certain someone on here is going to be pissed but it seen he is already salty about it given to the amount of defence he put into it!
Also curses my work shift (I was in all day) since I was going to mention a certain someone on here is going to be pissed but it seen he is already salty about it given to the amount of defence he put into it!
Slyvanas is not a Vampire though. The closet thing to Vampires in this world are the Dreadlords which are Vampirc Demons:Worgen said:They are still cribbing pretty heavily from the same place. Yeah warcraft did make the orcs more interesting but not more fun. Instead of the savage warlike race that likes a fightin we get the noble savage race that was turned into warlike savages by demons. Really the biggest difference between the two are the fact that warcraft decided to make females and warhammer just made their orks fungas or something so they wouldn't have to give orks boobs.Samtemdo8 said:I have seen enough of Warhammer and Wacraft devolped through out the years and so far both franchises split into their own distinct style. Lets compare it to DC and Marvel.Worgen said:No, not really, it started out as a licensed game for warhammer. But then that fell through so they just changed a little about the story and over the years they just threw more and more crap into it. The most original thing they did was samurai orcs and that ended up just being one multi hero in warcraft 3, I don't think it was ever really mentioned in lore.Samtemdo8 said:What kind of fantasy world have places like this:Xsjadoblayde said:
And monsters like this:
And races like this:
Not ever fantasy setting is "generic fantasy number#" and only has just castles and dragons.
Warcraft has more personality and identity then something like say Might and Magic and Wizardry
I mean the main human faction in Warhammer is an Empire modeld after the Holy Roman Empire. While the main human faction is just a very styleized Medieval England.
The Orcs in Warhammer are just mostly savage warlike brutes, the Orcs in Warcraft are more developed especially what happened in Warcraft 3. They are people to with families and homes they want to protect. And Shamans here are nothing like the Shamans in Warhammer.
Warhammer's undead faction is lead by Vampires and Warcraft's is lead by someone that looks like Archaon with a strong theme of Ice powers.
And both have their unique factions. Warhammer has Skaven (Rat people) and Warcraft has Draenais.
And lastly Warhammer is more darker and bloodier Warcraft I mean in the Warhammer universe the bad guys win, the End Times did happeend.
Warcraft the closest thing to that happened in Catacylsm and we ended up saving the world anyway.
I don't know, last I played wow it looked like the undead were ruled by someone who was rather similar to a vampire. Sylvarus I think or something, I dont remember her name, undead elf. Only undead that didn't really look undead, no exposed bone, unless they changed that.
The drenari were weird, not only since they arrived in a space ship but also because they were like an offshoot of another race that showed up, but they didnt look anything like them since they needed to be sexy.
The first warcraft games were pretty bloody, wow really sanitized the series since they wanted a teen rating.
And another thing that makes Warcraft unique is the fact that Outer Space exists. Dreanais and Orcs came from completely different planets. The Demons of the Burning Legion were born from a portion of the Great Dark Beyond called the Twisting Nether.
Hey I liked movies that people deemed it sucks like the first 2 RE movies and Mortal Kombat and Prince of PersiaScarim Coral said:
But goddamn it why could'nt Metzen directed this
But dude, have you played Warcraft games?! They're goofy as fuck! All of them are tongue-in-cheek levels of absurd. The lore is stupid, the characters are stupid, the shoulder pads make Space Marines look like pewee football players, chickens and sheep explode if you click them! The bad guys were once good guys so concerned with defeating the bad guys that they themselves turned into bad guys to defeat the good guys because of reasons! Its like trying to stop the Borg by joining the Borg. Its absurd!Samtemdo8 said:Then how would you make it not look like balls and treat the franchise with the justice and respect it derserves?
And don't write it off as nothing.
People thought there was nothing with Iron Man and look how he ended up
World of Warcraft itself plays more like something from an episode of Reboot or the Real Adventures of Johnny Quest's QuestWorld.
Its all goofy! And we love if for its camp!
A Warcraft movie should be a comedy. Unintentional, or even black, but a comedy none the less. 20 years ago it should have stared Bruce Campbell. Today, it should star...Jack Black as an over-weight bard, Zoe Saldana as a no-nonsense Night Elf archer, Brian Blessed as a disgraced Dwarven Knight, and Idris Elba has a Troll shaman who talks only in rhymes and is constantly high as fuck.
With guest cameos from Sean Bean as an brave but foolhardy undead Knight who keeps getting killed and resurrected by his loving, if cynical and tired, voodoo witch-doctor wife, Daniel Radcliffe as a wizard apprentice who keeps fucking up, and Pierce Brosnan as a suave ladies man with a pet giant spider.
That's the correct level of respect and justice a Warcraft movie deserves. And I'm being serious here. Warcraft is hysterical and deserves a comedy movie.
My reply still stands:Silentpony said:But dude, have you played Warcraft games?! They're goofy as fuck! All of them are tongue-in-cheek levels of absurd. The lore is stupid, the characters are stupid, the shoulder pads make Space Marines look like pewee football players, chickens and sheep explode if you click them! The bad guys were once good guys so concerned with defeating the bad guys that they themselves turned into bad guys to defeat the good guys because of reasons! Its like trying to stop the Borg by joining the Borg. Its absurd!Samtemdo8 said:Then how would you make it not look like balls and treat the franchise with the justice and respect it derserves?
And don't write it off as nothing.
People thought there was nothing with Iron Man and look how he ended up
World of Warcraft itself plays more like something from an episode of Reboot or the Real Adventures of Johnny Quest's QuestWorld.
Its all goofy! And we love if for its camp!
A Warcraft movie should be a comedy. Unintentional, or even black, but a comedy none the less. 20 years ago it should have stared Bruce Campbell. Today, it should star...Jack Black as an over-weight bard, Zoe Saldana as a no-nonsense Night Elf archer, Brian Blessed as a disgraced Dwarven Knight, and Idris Elba has a Troll shaman who talks only in rhymes and is constantly high as fuck.
With guest cameos from Sean Bean as an brave but foolhardy undead Knight who keeps getting killed and resurrected by his loving, if cynical and tired, voodoo witch-doctor wife, Daniel Radcliffe as a wizard apprentice who keeps fucking up, and Pierce Brosnan as a suave ladies man with a pet giant spider.
That's the correct level of respect and justice a Warcraft movie deserves. And I'm being serious here. Warcraft is hysterical and deserves a comedy movie.
You find it silly because of the art style. Just because its more cartoony means it cannot be taken seriously?
And the franchise may have its silly moments {mostly from Goblins, Dwarves, and Gnomes) but there were also moments where it takes itself genuinenly seriously:
It was never campy in the Warcraft 3 to Wrath of the Lich King days.
And funny you reference Warhammer 40k as a comparison to campyness when the entire franchise motto is "In the Grim Darkness of the Future there is only War"
I am taking a great deal of pleasure watching you try to twist Warcraft into your 'Uber Serious or Crap' view of media. The fact is that Warcraft is 90% silly, 5% serious, and 5% Pants-On-Head Retarded Silly. It's sillier in execution than Zootopia and the MCU, both of which you've derided for how fun and silly they are.Samtemdo8 said:My reply still stands:Silentpony said:But dude, have you played Warcraft games?! They're goofy as fuck! All of them are tongue-in-cheek levels of absurd. The lore is stupid, the characters are stupid, the shoulder pads make Space Marines look like pewee football players, chickens and sheep explode if you click them! The bad guys were once good guys so concerned with defeating the bad guys that they themselves turned into bad guys to defeat the good guys because of reasons! Its like trying to stop the Borg by joining the Borg. Its absurd!Samtemdo8 said:Then how would you make it not look like balls and treat the franchise with the justice and respect it derserves?
And don't write it off as nothing.
People thought there was nothing with Iron Man and look how he ended up
World of Warcraft itself plays more like something from an episode of Reboot or the Real Adventures of Johnny Quest's QuestWorld.
Its all goofy! And we love if for its camp!
A Warcraft movie should be a comedy. Unintentional, or even black, but a comedy none the less. 20 years ago it should have stared Bruce Campbell. Today, it should star...Jack Black as an over-weight bard, Zoe Saldana as a no-nonsense Night Elf archer, Brian Blessed as a disgraced Dwarven Knight, and Idris Elba has a Troll shaman who talks only in rhymes and is constantly high as fuck.
With guest cameos from Sean Bean as an brave but foolhardy undead Knight who keeps getting killed and resurrected by his loving, if cynical and tired, voodoo witch-doctor wife, Daniel Radcliffe as a wizard apprentice who keeps fucking up, and Pierce Brosnan as a suave ladies man with a pet giant spider.
That's the correct level of respect and justice a Warcraft movie deserves. And I'm being serious here. Warcraft is hysterical and deserves a comedy movie.
You find it silly because of the art style. Just because its more cartoony means it cannot be taken seriously?
And the franchise may have its silly moments {mostly from Goblins, Dwarves, and Gnomes) but there were also moments where it takes itself genuinenly seriously:
It was never campy in the Warcraft 3 to Wrath of the Lich King days.
And funny you reference Warhammer 40k as a comparison to campyness when the entire franchise motto is "In the Grim Darkness of the Future there is only War"
Please, continue.
Even that's not original. It's pretty much a straight lift of the conversion of Klingons in ToS to TNG Klingons. Savage barbarian bandits -> Noble warrior race as soon as they AREN'T considered the big bad of the season.Worgen said:
We'll build a wall in Goldshire, and make the Murlocs pay for it!wizzy555 said:
OT: I lost any real interest in this after the deal to put Sam Raimi in the director seat fell through. Granted, that optimism was predicated on dreams of Bruce Campbell killing his way through Azeroth, but still...
I don't have much love left for the Warcraft Franchise but i would totally gonna see that! Especially with BRIAN BLESSED as a drunken, loud and rude Muradin/Magni/Thaurissan/whatever. And Sean bean; can't wait until he dies in the mov- oh... oh wait, he's already dead... but still!Silentpony said:
Hm, what's the usual phrase? Oh, yes: "Shut up and take my money!" I need more BRIAN BLESSED in my life!
If I was going to pick a video game to make a movie about, I wouldn't pick an MMO - a story fit for a "loot treadmill". I honestly think the movie would do better if it was done in parody and the whole movie was a comedy that made fun of tropes in MMOs and in fantasy. Make sure mailboxes have women dancing on them in the town. Though, I still think that is a bad idea. But it is still better than this idea. (A serious Warcraft movie)
I don't want to sound like a raving Marvel fan boy but I feel like video game movies are the anti-MCU: We know that sooner or later one of these freaking movies are going to be fantastic. I'm hoping Sly turns out to be the first really good one but maybe, just maybe, Ass Creed will be to VGMs what Iron Man was to the MCU, not spectacular but just good enough to get people flying into a frenzy about these types of films maybe being worth getting into...actually scratch that, if any VG movie is going to be an Iron Man it'll probably be whatever Nintendo is cooking up but that's mainly because I can see the NCU (Gods help us) functioning more-or-less exactly like the MCU.
Note: If this third-coming of VG movies were happening about 5 years or so ago, I would have invoked the name of Pixar rather than Marvel. It just so happens that Marvel seems to be now what Pixar was between Wall-E and UP.
Note: If this third-coming of VG movies were happening about 5 years or so ago, I would have invoked the name of Pixar rather than Marvel. It just so happens that Marvel seems to be now what Pixar was between Wall-E and UP.
Player-controlled Undead have always been pretty skeletal, as did the race guards for the Undercity. In fact, Sylvanas is one of the few undead characters in the lore who does still look rather like she did in her living form. Unless that's what you meant by the last part there, but I'm not sure why one single character not looking like they've been decaying for a decade would be such an issue. For the record, Sylvanas doesn't look decayed because she wasn't technically killed, she was captured and turned into a Scourge by Arthas when he raided Quel'thalas.Worgen said:
The Draenei look similar to the Broken because the latter are Draenei who were corrupted by the Burning Legion much like the orcs.
Warcraft has always had a T rating? And World of Warcraft has a lot of really dark, really grim, really bloody stuff in it?
I'm surprised no ones been able, or even seems to have tried, to simply copy the MCU formula started by Iron Man. It's really not that hard - A simple premise (Billionaire war profiteer turns a new leaf), a distinctive look (Shiny Gold and Red), a willingness to be a bit silly, and a charismatic actor (Robert Downey Jr.). Mix until consistent, bake for 2 hours, and then prepare your bank account.Shoggoth2588 said:
Maybe its a bit copy catty, and maybe it's not the right direction for every video game IP to go, but it seems like an excellent way to get your foot in the door. And once a publisher/mega-developer has gotten word out that they're not complete shit at this movie business, and they have proper procedures and personnel in place, they can move onto the more difficult movies.
I'm not arguing that Warcraft isn't self-important. It most assuredly is. But its not self aware enough to know its 90s level stupid, like A Pup Named Scooby Doo. Arthas' corruption is more abrupt and silly than Anakin's was!Samtemdo8 said:
And yeah, 40k is goofy as fuck too. They literally have chainsaw swords! But 40k is to 80s cheese what Warcraft is to 90s Lunchables. People can like it sure, but it is just cheese with salty ham on cheap crackers.
And that's the way it should be! A deliberate nostalgic call-back to a simpler time, fully aware its crap, but unapologetic in its crappy campy fun!
Did you not watch the cinematics in question? Did you not experiance what it was like raiding Black Temple and Icecrown Citadel?AccursedTheory said:I am taking a great deal of pleasure watching you try to twist Warcraft into your 'Uber Serious or Crap' view of media. The fact is that Warcraft is 90% silly, 5% serious, and 5% Pants-On-Head Retarded Silly. It's sillier in execution than Zootopia and the MCU, both of which you've derided for how fun and silly they are.Samtemdo8 said:My reply still stands:Silentpony said:But dude, have you played Warcraft games?! They're goofy as fuck! All of them are tongue-in-cheek levels of absurd. The lore is stupid, the characters are stupid, the shoulder pads make Space Marines look like pewee football players, chickens and sheep explode if you click them! The bad guys were once good guys so concerned with defeating the bad guys that they themselves turned into bad guys to defeat the good guys because of reasons! Its like trying to stop the Borg by joining the Borg. Its absurd!Samtemdo8 said:Then how would you make it not look like balls and treat the franchise with the justice and respect it derserves?
And don't write it off as nothing.
People thought there was nothing with Iron Man and look how he ended up
World of Warcraft itself plays more like something from an episode of Reboot or the Real Adventures of Johnny Quest's QuestWorld.
Its all goofy! And we love if for its camp!
A Warcraft movie should be a comedy. Unintentional, or even black, but a comedy none the less. 20 years ago it should have stared Bruce Campbell. Today, it should star...Jack Black as an over-weight bard, Zoe Saldana as a no-nonsense Night Elf archer, Brian Blessed as a disgraced Dwarven Knight, and Idris Elba has a Troll shaman who talks only in rhymes and is constantly high as fuck.
With guest cameos from Sean Bean as an brave but foolhardy undead Knight who keeps getting killed and resurrected by his loving, if cynical and tired, voodoo witch-doctor wife, Daniel Radcliffe as a wizard apprentice who keeps fucking up, and Pierce Brosnan as a suave ladies man with a pet giant spider.
That's the correct level of respect and justice a Warcraft movie deserves. And I'm being serious here. Warcraft is hysterical and deserves a comedy movie.
You find it silly because of the art style. Just because its more cartoony means it cannot be taken seriously?
And the franchise may have its silly moments {mostly from Goblins, Dwarves, and Gnomes) but there were also moments where it takes itself genuinenly seriously:
It was never campy in the Warcraft 3 to Wrath of the Lich King days.
And funny you reference Warhammer 40k as a comparison to campyness when the entire franchise motto is "In the Grim Darkness of the Future there is only War"
Please, continue.
Did you not listen to the music?
If you think Warcraft should be more like this:
And less like this:
Then fuck that. And besides Warcraft what I want from a warcraft movie is to be Epic and Awesome, not cartonny and humorus
I've watched the cinematics. I've also played WoW and Warcraft proper. And I stand by my '90% silly' comment.Samtemdo8 said:AccursedTheory said:I am taking a great deal of pleasure watching you try to twist Warcraft into your 'Uber Serious or Crap' view of media. The fact is that Warcraft is 90% silly, 5% serious, and 5% Pants-On-Head Retarded Silly. It's sillier in execution than Zootopia and the MCU, both of which you've derided for how fun and silly they are.Samtemdo8 said:My reply still stands:Silentpony said:But dude, have you played Warcraft games?! They're goofy as fuck! All of them are tongue-in-cheek levels of absurd. The lore is stupid, the characters are stupid, the shoulder pads make Space Marines look like pewee football players, chickens and sheep explode if you click them! The bad guys were once good guys so concerned with defeating the bad guys that they themselves turned into bad guys to defeat the good guys because of reasons! Its like trying to stop the Borg by joining the Borg. Its absurd!Samtemdo8 said:Then how would you make it not look like balls and treat the franchise with the justice and respect it derserves?
And don't write it off as nothing.
People thought there was nothing with Iron Man and look how he ended up
World of Warcraft itself plays more like something from an episode of Reboot or the Real Adventures of Johnny Quest's QuestWorld.
Its all goofy! And we love if for its camp!
A Warcraft movie should be a comedy. Unintentional, or even black, but a comedy none the less. 20 years ago it should have stared Bruce Campbell. Today, it should star...Jack Black as an over-weight bard, Zoe Saldana as a no-nonsense Night Elf archer, Brian Blessed as a disgraced Dwarven Knight, and Idris Elba has a Troll shaman who talks only in rhymes and is constantly high as fuck.
With guest cameos from Sean Bean as an brave but foolhardy undead Knight who keeps getting killed and resurrected by his loving, if cynical and tired, voodoo witch-doctor wife, Daniel Radcliffe as a wizard apprentice who keeps fucking up, and Pierce Brosnan as a suave ladies man with a pet giant spider.
That's the correct level of respect and justice a Warcraft movie deserves. And I'm being serious here. Warcraft is hysterical and deserves a comedy movie.
You find it silly because of the art style. Just because its more cartoony means it cannot be taken seriously?
And the franchise may have its silly moments {mostly from Goblins, Dwarves, and Gnomes) but there were also moments where it takes itself genuinenly seriously:
It was never campy in the Warcraft 3 to Wrath of the Lich King days.
And funny you reference Warhammer 40k as a comparison to campyness when the entire franchise motto is "In the Grim Darkness of the Future there is only War"
Please, continue.
Did you not watch the cinematics in question? Did you not experiance what it was like raiding Black Temple and Icecrown Citadel?
Did you not listen to the music?
If you think Warcraft should be more like this:
And less like this:
Then fuck that. And besides Warcraft what I want from a warcraft movie is to be Epic and Awesome, not cartonny and humorus
That doesn't mean it doesn't have semi-serious moments. Warhammer 40K has Ciaphas Cain, HERO OF THE IMPERIUM. That doesn't mean the entire setting has magically turned into a Flashman/Blackadder clone.
To hell with that man.Silentpony said:
I'm a kid of the 90s and proud.
I grew up watching Cartoons superior to yours. Dexter's Lab, Powerpuff Girls, Samurai Jack, Hey Arnold, 90s X-Men and Spiderman, and the fucking DCAU can take a dump all over crap like 80s Transformers, 80s He Man, and 80s Thundercats and 80s G.I. Joe
The only thing I will give the 80s points for is better Metal music.
Honestly just get into reading the lore of Warcraft and you will understand why I think its such a beautiful world and lore that is ripe to be visualized especially the lore of the Lich King.