Warcraft reviews not looking great

[mduncan50]

People on the WoW sub-reddit are fanboying really hard about this movie. If you want to see what a denial-based echo chamber looks like, check it out.

Bit harsh no?

I mean god forbid that people actually.....

shudder

Enjoy it.

And that absolutely fine. I don't doubt that I may enjoy it myself when I see it in theaters (in fact, I am excited to). However, that doesn't mean I won't think about the film critically. The users on that sub are basically defending the movie by saying all film critics are pretentious and that they don't understand Warcraft. Sure, that may be true for some, but that doesn't mean Warcraft doesn't have issues as a functional film.

It's perfectly fine to enjoy something while acknowledging its faults. Some people simply can't do that it seems.

I actually kinda agree that the movie critics don't really understand Warcraft. I've read a bunch of reviews for the movie ,for the hell of it, and basically anyone with any interest in the Warcraft universe gives it a good/great review. People with not attachment to the universe mostly slams it.

It seems they failed badly at giving us a movie that non Warcraft enthusiast will like, but they gave us a movie Warcraft enthusiast seems to love.

Doesn't that make it kind of fail as a stand alone movie then? If you have to understand the source material to follow the movie, that's a poorly made movie, and one that maybe should have been an extended cut-scene, less ambitious film, or something else rather than a $160 million Hollywood blockbuster?

Currently projected to only make around $25 million this weekend (and that was before the reviews started trickling in) it's expected to be a pretty epic failure. I completely understand the idea of making something like this "for the fans", it is highly doubtful that those fans will get to see the last two films of this planned trilogy unless something unexpected occurs, so they're the ones that end up being screwed over.

The thing about WOW is that its lore is easy to follow. Its right here:

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/game/the-story-of-warcraft/chapter1

I'm not saying that the lore isn't easy to follow, simply that it apparently wasn't made easy to follow for people watching the movie. A well made movie doesn't require homework.

Sounds like the same complaints I have towards Star Wars the Force Awakens because I feel a lot of things were not very easy to follow.

How did these First Order Guys came to be? How did they make a Death Star that is even more powerful?

I feel this is the problem with setting up movie universes. It ends up making filler movies to get to the important movie.

Like for example Ant-Man felt like a filler movie just to set up Civil War. (Which I am sure people preffered to watch more than an Ant Man solo movie) I certainly don't care about Ant-Man, I just think the movie was painfully average. But you got Civil War out of it.

That is what I am hoping the future sequals will give us. Because for me I hope it will give us the Lich King movie:

How did Ant Man give us Civil War? Ant Man was a completely self contained (and well liked) film, and in no way required to watch or enjoy Civil War. And I am doubting those future sequels are going to happen for WoW given the industry estimates for this movie, which was why I was saying that even if this is a movie that WoW fans will enjoy, they'll still end up getting the short end of the stick. It's expected to do Fant4stic numbers with a 33% bigger budget.

 

[Skatalite]

I guess that petition to force Disney to stop paying off all of the reviewers to crap on every non Disney movie just didn't work.

"disney paying reviewers" is just garble from paranoid conspiracy theorists.

However, it does feel as if every recent non disney movie has been absolutely shat on by reviews.

You mean every recent non-Disney Hollywood movie? Although even that wouldn't be true (movies like 10 Cloverfield Lane, The Nice Guys and Kung Fu Panda 3 score pretty well).

 

[Lennac]

Warcraft cinematics were generally regarded as being fucking excellent. It didn't really help with transition to the big screen, it seems.

Without a doubt. All of Blizzard's stuff has had great cinematics from Warcraft to Starcraft. And then Diablo 2 had some awesome cutscenes between acts.

 

[mduncan50]

I guess that petition to force Disney to stop paying off all of the reviewers to crap on every non Disney movie just didn't work.

"disney paying reviewers" is just garble from paranoid conspiracy theorists.

However, it does feel as if every recent non disney movie has been absolutely shat on by reviews.

You mean every recent non-Disney Hollywood movie? Although even that wouldn't be true (movies like 10 Cloverfield Lane, The Nice Guys and Kung Fu Panda 3 score pretty well).

Love and Friendship
Embrace of the Serpent
Sing Street
Eye in the Sky
The Witch
Only Yesterday
April and the Extraordinary World
Rams
The Dark Horse
Krisha
Marguerite
Dark Horse
Green Room
10 Cloverfield Lane
The Nice Guys
Cemetery of Spendor
Dark Horse (not a repeat)
Weiner
The Lobster
Barbershop 3
The Last Man on the Moon
A War
Florence Foster Jenkins
My Golden Days
The Clan
City of Gold
Mia Madre

All non Disney movies that have come out in the past 5 months that scored a 90% or higher Tomatometer. There would be triple that if I went to 80%. People want to ***** that a movie you liked wasn't a hit with the critics, then go for it, but there is no dumb ass conspiracy. Shit movies were shit.

 

[Vahir]

That is what I am hoping the future sequals will give us. Because for me I hope it will give us the Lich King movie:

Warcraft is phenomenal in many ways. The depth of its story is not one of them. I say this as someone who's played amd swam in the lore since Reign of Chaos.

Seriously, there's nothing special in these cutscenes that you keep spamming, they're all pretty generic. There are a lot of games with much more striking scenes than Warcraft.

 

[Skatalite]

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All non Disney movies that have come out in the past 5 months that scored a 90% or higher Tomatometer. There would be triple that if I went to 80%. People want to ***** that a movie you liked wasn't a hit with the critics, then go for it, but there is no dumb ass conspiracy. Shit movies were shit.

Yeah, true. Where can I find that petition again anyway? I wonder how many votes it's got now.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

That is what I am hoping the future sequals will give us. Because for me I hope it will give us the Lich King movie:

Warcraft is phenomenal in many ways. The depth of its story is not one of them. I say this as someone who's played amd swam in the lore since Reign of Chaos.

Seriously, there's nothing special in these cutscenes that you keep spamming, they're all pretty generic. There are a lot of games with much more striking scenes than Warcraft.

Well so far only a handful of games that are memorable as this. The voice acting, the music, the look, everything just felt special to me.

 

[Ushiromiya Battler]

People on the WoW sub-reddit are fanboying really hard about this movie. If you want to see what a denial-based echo chamber looks like, check it out.

Bit harsh no?

I mean god forbid that people actually.....

shudder

Enjoy it.

And that absolutely fine. I don't doubt that I may enjoy it myself when I see it in theaters (in fact, I am excited to). However, that doesn't mean I won't think about the film critically. The users on that sub are basically defending the movie by saying all film critics are pretentious and that they don't understand Warcraft. Sure, that may be true for some, but that doesn't mean Warcraft doesn't have issues as a functional film.

It's perfectly fine to enjoy something while acknowledging its faults. Some people simply can't do that it seems.

I actually kinda agree that the movie critics don't really understand Warcraft. I've read a bunch of reviews for the movie ,for the hell of it, and basically anyone with any interest in the Warcraft universe gives it a good/great review. People with not attachment to the universe mostly slams it.

It seems they failed badly at giving us a movie that non Warcraft enthusiast will like, but they gave us a movie Warcraft enthusiast seems to love.

Doesn't that make it kind of fail as a stand alone movie then? If you have to understand the source material to follow the movie, that's a poorly made movie, and one that maybe should have been an extended cut-scene, less ambitious film, or something else rather than a $160 million Hollywood blockbuster?

Currently projected to only make around $25 million this weekend (and that was before the reviews started trickling in) it's expected to be a pretty epic failure. I completely understand the idea of making something like this "for the fans", it is highly doubtful that those fans will get to see the last two films of this planned trilogy unless something unexpected occurs, so they're the ones that end up being screwed over.

I actually agree. It seems it has failed as a stand alone movie, But I feel it has less to do with understanding the source material, than it has with people not liking it since all they see is a heavily cgi'd generic fantasy movie.

Now when it comes to sequels, I don't really care, I'm just happy I'll be able to see the movie I've been waiting to see for years.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

People on the WoW sub-reddit are fanboying really hard about this movie. If you want to see what a denial-based echo chamber looks like, check it out.

Bit harsh no?

I mean god forbid that people actually.....

shudder

Enjoy it.

And that absolutely fine. I don't doubt that I may enjoy it myself when I see it in theaters (in fact, I am excited to). However, that doesn't mean I won't think about the film critically. The users on that sub are basically defending the movie by saying all film critics are pretentious and that they don't understand Warcraft. Sure, that may be true for some, but that doesn't mean Warcraft doesn't have issues as a functional film.

It's perfectly fine to enjoy something while acknowledging its faults. Some people simply can't do that it seems.

I actually kinda agree that the movie critics don't really understand Warcraft. I've read a bunch of reviews for the movie ,for the hell of it, and basically anyone with any interest in the Warcraft universe gives it a good/great review. People with not attachment to the universe mostly slams it.

It seems they failed badly at giving us a movie that non Warcraft enthusiast will like, but they gave us a movie Warcraft enthusiast seems to love.

Doesn't that make it kind of fail as a stand alone movie then? If you have to understand the source material to follow the movie, that's a poorly made movie, and one that maybe should have been an extended cut-scene, less ambitious film, or something else rather than a $160 million Hollywood blockbuster?

Currently projected to only make around $25 million this weekend (and that was before the reviews started trickling in) it's expected to be a pretty epic failure. I completely understand the idea of making something like this "for the fans", it is highly doubtful that those fans will get to see the last two films of this planned trilogy unless something unexpected occurs, so they're the ones that end up being screwed over.

The thing about WOW is that its lore is easy to follow. Its right here:

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/game/the-story-of-warcraft/chapter1

I'm not saying that the lore isn't easy to follow, simply that it apparently wasn't made easy to follow for people watching the movie. A well made movie doesn't require homework.

Sounds like the same complaints I have towards Star Wars the Force Awakens because I feel a lot of things were not very easy to follow.

How did these First Order Guys came to be? How did they make a Death Star that is even more powerful?

I feel this is the problem with setting up movie universes. It ends up making filler movies to get to the important movie.

Like for example Ant-Man felt like a filler movie just to set up Civil War. (Which I am sure people preffered to watch more than an Ant Man solo movie) I certainly don't care about Ant-Man, I just think the movie was painfully average. But you got Civil War out of it.

That is what I am hoping the future sequals will give us. Because for me I hope it will give us the Lich King movie:

How did Ant Man give us Civil War? Ant Man was a completely self contained (and well liked) film, and in no way required to watch or enjoy Civil War. And I am doubting those future sequels are going to happen for WoW given the industry estimates for this movie, which was why I was saying that even if this is a movie that WoW fans will enjoy, they'll still end up getting the short end of the stick. It's expected to do Fant4stic numbers with a 33% bigger budget.

Where are the industry estimates and the comparison to Fant4stic numbers?

 

[mduncan50]

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All non Disney movies that have come out in the past 5 months that scored a 90% or higher Tomatometer. There would be triple that if I went to 80%. People want to ***** that a movie you liked wasn't a hit with the critics, then go for it, but there is no dumb ass conspiracy. Shit movies were shit.

Yeah, true. Where can I find that petition again anyway? I wonder how many votes it's got now.

https://hwww.change.org/p/rotten-tomatoes-stop-disney-from-influencing-critics-on-mcu-bias?source_location=topic_page

928 poor delusional signatures so far.

 

[mduncan50]

Where are the industry estimates and the comparison to Fant4stic numbers?

Warcraft tracking for a projected opening weekend of approximately $25 million:
http://variety.com/2016/film/news/box-office-warcraft-conjuring-now-you-see-me-1201783331/

Fant4stic's opening weekend: $25,685,737

Granted Warcraft's reviews aren't quite at Fant4stic levels yet, so it may have a little more longevity.

 

[The Enquirer]

The previews just made it look very average at best. I wasn't and remain uninterested to go and see it.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

The previews just made it look very average at best. I wasn't and remain uninterested to go and see it.

The trailers suck because it had terrible use of music.

Trailer music in modern summer blockbuster movies are all generic ever since Inception.

So much so I am starting to miss the bombastic choir music of the 2000s:

 

[The Enquirer]

The previews just made it look very average at best. I wasn't and remain uninterested to go and see it.

The trailers suck because it had terrible use of music.

Trailer music in modern summer blockbuster movies are all generic ever since Inception.

So much so I am starting to miss the bombastic choir music of the 2000s:

Honestly, it was the whole setup that turned me off, music being the least of my worries.

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

That is what I am hoping the future sequals will give us. Because for me I hope it will give us the Lich King movie:

Warcraft is phenomenal in many ways. The depth of its story is not one of them. I say this as someone who's played amd swam in the lore since Reign of Chaos.

Seriously, there's nothing special in these cutscenes that you keep spamming, they're all pretty generic. There are a lot of games with much more striking scenes than Warcraft.

I feel Warcraft's great strength is just how malleable it's material is: you do have your classic fantasy stuff (Elves, Dwarves, evil kings, magic etc) but also your science fantasy with the Draenei, the Goblins and Gnomes exist to allow several different varieties of the punk sub-genres and thanks to the game's style none of this ever feels out of place.

I mean I would never have expected something with the gravitas of The Lord of the Rings (though I don't blame them trying to ape the aesthetic) but more something like The Avengers or The Never Ending Story. Though ideally I feel a Warcraft movie should be able to have it's climax synced to any Dragonforce track you care to name without it feeling wrong.

 

[Drathnoxis]

In other news: Water is wet, the sky is blue, and a thread about a crap movie getting crap reviews will inevitably be attacked by fanboys because the critics obviously can't be trusted because they didn't bother to give the movie a chance because it's based on a video game. Or maybe it's Disney's fault again. I guess that petition to force Disney to stop paying off all of the reviewers to crap on every non Disney movie just didn't work. But seriously though, how could anyone actually be surprised by this?

Video game movie not up to much. In other news, sky remains blue.

*sigh*

I wasn't expecting greatness, the preview footage made it clear we weren't getting anything like that but I had dared to hope for a fun romp.

Meanwhile, comment sections are filling up with denial from people who haven't seen the movie but know beyond a doubt that it must be awesome. Also, water remains wet.

Did you do this on purpose, or is this another case of two scientists working on opposite sides of the world both independently and unwittingly inventing the exact same snarky comment?

OT: You mean that the movie isn't entirely CG animation? Why would anybody think that having live actors in a Warcraft movie was a good idea?

 

[mduncan50]

In other news: Water is wet, the sky is blue, and a thread about a crap movie getting crap reviews will inevitably be attacked by fanboys because the critics obviously can't be trusted because they didn't bother to give the movie a chance because it's based on a video game. Or maybe it's Disney's fault again. I guess that petition to force Disney to stop paying off all of the reviewers to crap on every non Disney movie just didn't work. But seriously though, how could anyone actually be surprised by this?

Video game movie not up to much. In other news, sky remains blue.

*sigh*

I wasn't expecting greatness, the preview footage made it clear we weren't getting anything like that but I had dared to hope for a fun romp.

Meanwhile, comment sections are filling up with denial from people who haven't seen the movie but know beyond a doubt that it must be awesome. Also, water remains wet.

Did you do this on purpose, or is this another case of two scientists working on opposite sides of the world both independently and unwittingly inventing the exact same snarky comment?

OT: You mean that the movie isn't entirely CG animation? Why would anybody think that having live actors in a Warcraft movie was a good idea?

I think it was the lazy and obvious snark. We just beat the other thousand or so people that thought it to the punch.

I think they honestly thought the orcs were realistic enough to make it all look live action. As it is, it's not even Roger Rabbit levels of matching.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I'll put it simply, I'd rather keep watching those charming Overwatch shorts than that very mediocre and CG-overdosed Warcraft movie.

Oh as if Overwatch is not overdoesed with CGI