Warhammer 40K : Mayby a new hobby?

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A Weakgeek

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RobCoxxy said:
I staretd once my mates got me into it. The rules are complicated but after 2-3 games you can have the gist of things. Go to a gaming club, get your ass handed to you and learn on the way. :p
Yeah, I do have a game shop in town in which i could go ask for some tips. But I feel hesitant to do so before having my own stuff, since if i end up not getting it I would waste their time.
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i tried it once, stopped very soon.

shit costs too much money.
No more than any other hobby, painting the figures alone is weeks worth of stuff to keep you busy, if you split off some of your gaming money to buy a few here and there you'd have a respectable army pretty soon, and there's stuff to do even if you can only do combat patrol.

Yes you can be a fanatic and own £2000 of minis but that's not what you actually need to be a part of the hobby, the figures don't go out of style and if you are imaginative or artistic you can replace most of an army with bits of plasticard/cardboard or inexpensive rival minis cleverly disguised for a fraction of the price.
Also this comment has given me much hope. Thanks a bunch.
 

Palademon

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You move a couple inches each turn then roll dice to deal damage to wounds, if the enemy is in range. It's really not that complicated. The only complicated part is looking up statistics for weapons and units.
 

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Salad Is Murder said:
AnkaraTheFallen said:
A Weakgeek said:
AnkaraTheFallen said:
(and there is a smaller version of the rules for basic games if you don't want all the complicated rules).
So there is a "simpler" rule version? Good to know!
Yeah... I got it with a starter scenario pack that they sold for £20, gave me a few marines and some tyranids squads... It covered all the rules I needed for a few simple games with friends, and then I moved on to getting the full set once I'd got some people to play with. You can probably buy it separately as well though if you have your armies already.
I see the confusion here. The simpler rules you're talking about can out in the 4th edition "Battle For Macragge" starter set, alongside the 4th edition rulebook.

"Assault On Black Reach" is the 5th edition starter, the current edition. It also has a starter book for use with the Space Marine/Ork army contained in the box as well as a small full rulebook.
Thanks, I couldn't remember the sets name.

Should have said, it was a few years back that I learned how to play, and the rules did have an update since then as well. But, as it was said before the basic rules are easy to remember once you've used them a few times, and any complicated ones can be easily looked up... I still need to look up the rules from time to time.
 

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Nah you wouldn't be wasting their time, can't think of any shop that wouldn't be happy to try and give you all the best advice before you actually invest money, although don't take everything they say as 100% true always.

Generally just going for a friendly chat in a shop is no big deal :) and nerds love to show off their toys! :D
 

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I recently found my old army in my top closet shelf. I've been slowly studying and repairing it. Then I googled around and I don't have any Warhammer 40k places that play within 25 miles. There is only 1 gameshop. May be worth it to just go there and ask where the nearest place is. I don't want to post a direct link but you might want to try a site called scribd, I currently have 5E rulebook and the Chaos Marine Codex(4E) in my favorites because of the site.
 

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A Weakgeek said:
First off, I wasn't sure if I should put this into gaming discussion since I'm talking about a tabletop game. So exscuse me if this is in the wrong place.

I have been in contact to the Warhammer 40K universe through the videogames etc. and now I have become very curious of the table top game. I think myself as an artistic person, and while not much good in painting, I find painting those figures cool. But painting over 50 figures (Which the starting kit contains), I dont think I have enough motivation to do if the game itself isin't my thing afterall. So I know that the game is really complex, and I tried to search for the rules on the internet. Then I found out that Games Workshop is trying to keep the games rules out of the web in order to sell more rule books (Which cost a whopping 50 euros themselves). The real problem isin't me learning the rules, but to me to teach somebody else them in order to have a friend to play with. So I wish to ask, how long would it take for me to teach someone the basic rules of the game, so we could get a couple of puny games going. (After I have learned the rules well) And yes I believe I do have a couple of friends that could be interested to play the game, if the rules arent impossibly hard to learn.
http://www.31stcenturygames.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=41&Itemid=65
 

A Weakgeek

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Cavan said:
and nerds love to show off their toys! :D
Thanks, and that is true. Mayby now ill have more courage to go and ask them to teach me.
Rationalization said:
I recently found my old army in my top closet shelf. I've been slowly studying and repairing it. Then I googled around and I don't have any Warhammer 40k places that play within 25 miles. There is only 1 gameshop. May be worth it to just go there and ask where the nearest place is. I don't want to post a direct link but you might want to try a site called scribd, I currently have 5E rulebook and the Chaos Marine Codex(4E) in my favorites because of the site.
Sounds exiting! There is nothing that interesting in my shelves I'm afraid. Just full of my school books, University can really suck sometimes.
 

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A Weakgeek said:
Be sure of the following.
1. You are prepared to dump A LOT of money into this.
2. You are prepared to spend A LOT of time. However, I find just collecting, customizing, building and painting my armies to be intensely rewarding, if for just the artistic appeal, if your good at that kind of thing.
3. You have absolutely got to have a nearby hobby shop or Games Workshop if you want to get anywhere with playing the game. The rules aren't so much an issue (except for the endless specialized ones) but maintaining people to play with? thats difficult.

However, bigger games, when you build your own scenarios and have decent terrain (terrain building can be just as if not even more fun to do. Its so cool turning scrap and random items into sci-fi environments) and armies, can be so very awesome if you have the imagination.

I highly recommend the hobby. Try reading into the lore and mythos behind the game: The most well formed and stylized sci-fi world I have ever read or encountered. And above all!
Its fun. enjoy
 

Brondahl

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Jut find yourself a Workshop andd go there to learn. That's far and away the easiest way. Especially if you can bring one of your friends along then you can play against each other on the introduction table (every Workshop I've ever seen has a table specifically laid out for people to be shown the game on.)
 

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It sounds like, for the OP, this is a pretty simple choice. I would say it definitely couldn't hurt, and while I hear it's quite difficult to NOT end up with a bigger army than you need because of the temptation of a shiny new set, you could certainly give it a try. I'm just worried about the "friend" part... are you trying to initiate them into the hobby via trickery, or are they as interested as you already?

If your friend in question isn't interested in dropping half the cost of the box (I assume you're talking about Black Reach, and those models are only so-so and posed weird), there's a good chance that they aren't going to want to play it with you anyway. It is VERY cheap compared to the rest of the game.

So which is it? Indoctrination or a genuine concerted effort to start up the game together?
 

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Try and find a gamestore where people are playing.

Also, WH40K is not a cheap hobby, and it keeps getting more expensive (from what I've heard from everyone who plays, mind).
 

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Wintermute_ said:
I highly recommend the hobby. Try reading into the lore and mythos behind the game: The most well formed and stylized sci-fi world I have ever read or encountered. And above all!
Its fun. enjoy
So much so, that I'm about to waste hours upon hours of everyones time... http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Warhammer40000

BWA HA HA HA HA! >:D
 

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You'll have much more fun playing with friends with a slightly more relaxed attitude to rules. If you know people who play then play with them, rather than entering tournies or matches at a store.

You can pick up the basics fairly easily though, even if it's just from a web page or suchlike.
 

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A Weakgeek said:
...So I wish to ask, how long would it take for me to teach someone the basic rules of the game, so we could get a couple of puny games going. (After I have learned the rules well)...
As has already been said, you and a friend can learn the basic rules, while playing, in an afternoon.

However, as someone that has been playing and collecting for almost two decades now, I would advice you to NOT start this hobby. I am serious. If you get hooked you may end up spending incredible ammount of time and money on what is basicly toy soldiers.

But if you decide to ignore my warning and go for it, then I think you should start out small. If you have the starter set, Assault on Black Reach, then you already have the start of two very good and fun armies, the Space Marines and the Orkz. If you or your friends are interested in collecting either one of these armies I would even recomend you simply buy another starter set to enlarge your armies, it is very good value for money. I collect Orkz and even though I had a very large army before it was released, I bought one set and got the ork models from two more.

The most important thing is that you try to get to know what to buy BEFORE you buy it. When I started collecting (I had played a little before) at the release of 3rd edition, I started collecting Dark Eldar, I assembled a sizable army only to discover I did not like how they played, or the story behind them. I swithced to Orkz and am very happy with them, but I wished I had doen a bit more research before spending alot of money on models I then later did not want. The various armies have VERY different playstyles and character.

If you have any specific questions feel free to PM me.

Oh, and Ebay is your friend.
 

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A Weakgeek said:
First off, I wasn't sure if I should put this into gaming discussion since I'm talking about a tabletop game. So exscuse me if this is in the wrong place.

I have been in contact to the Warhammer 40K universe through the videogames etc. and now I have become very curious of the table top game. I think myself as an artistic person, and while not much good in painting, I find painting those figures cool. But painting over 50 figures (Which the starting kit contains), I dont think I have enough motivation to do if the game itself isin't my thing afterall. So I know that the game is really complex, and I tried to search for the rules on the internet. Then I found out that Games Workshop is trying to keep the games rules out of the web in order to sell more rule books (Which cost a whopping 50 euros themselves). The real problem isin't me learning the rules, but to me to teach somebody else them in order to have a friend to play with. So I wish to ask, how long would it take for me to teach someone the basic rules of the game, so we could get a couple of puny games going. (After I have learned the rules well) And yes I believe I do have a couple of friends that could be interested to play the game, if the rules arent impossibly hard to learn.
The Starter set is nice, It comes with an intro booklet that teaches you the basics quite easily.
The only issue with the starter set though is that the Space Marines have a higher valued army than the Space Orks, which can be a bit frustrating for the Ork player. So take turns on each army to see how it feels.

I suggest learning the rules together with your friends while playing.

The starter set comes with a smaller handier version of the expensive Rule Book, but no Codex for the armies. So as soon as you and your friends figure out you like this you should buy a codex of your choice and some more units (The Batalion Boxes are a quite nice addon to a starter)

I recently started playing and enjoy it quite a lot, learning the rules wasn't too hard, but then again I have a friend that knows the rules VERY well.


PS: Warhammer isn't a cheap hobby to start off with, so that might be a hurdle for some of your friends to accept.
 

A Weakgeek

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I would like to give a thousand thanks to everyone who have posted in this thread! I went to a local gameshop and saw that there was actually a really active game scene going on. They play figurine games 6 days a week in which WH40K is on thursdays and beginners day is saturday. So I'll mostlikely go see how the game is played on this saturday. Now ill just have to get the money for the beginner kit!
Grubnar said:
A Weakgeek said:
...So I wish to ask, how long would it take for me to teach someone the basic rules of the game, so we could get a couple of puny games going. (After I have learned the rules well)...
Oh, and Ebay is your friend.
Also, no can do. Don't live in USA, will get into toll.
 

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40K is the best for beginners, the rules for that are a bit less complex than fantasy, however fantasy as a game can be much more rewarding to play than 40K so it's a tradeoff i guess. I have both 40K and fantasy armies.

The basic rules can be gotten in one or two games such as the different phases and what to do in each of the phases, it takes longer to fully commit them perfectly to memory. But after a while it becomes second nature.

For 40K, the best army to start with is Space Marines. They are solid all rounders whose basic troops can go toe to toe with much harder things in other armies. They are also very tactical and versatile, however they don't really specialise in one particular style of play unless you choose a particular chapter such as Space Wolves who specialise in counter-attacking or Blood Angels who focus heavily on assault.

After that, you have Orks which are probably the next best starter army as they have pretty fun rules and focus on mobbing the enemy.

Eldar and Dark Eldar are for players who like having toolbox armies, in that each unit is specifically tailored for one type of enemy (see Eldar aspect warriors) and who like to play a fast paced game (Dark Eldar have some of the fastest transports in the game).

Tyranids are stupidly powerful combat focused aliens with a ton of rules that can annihilate an enemy force if you know what you're doing.

Tau are long range specialists, their ranged fire power is second to none.

Necrons are stupidly hard, stupidly tough with some really horrible special rules too but their weakness is high points cost and bad in combat.

Imperial Guard are the human army, standard weak men who die very easily but are supported by the most powerful tanks in the game and have strength in numbers. Some of their elite units are also very nice.

Chaos (Daemons and Space Marines) are basically Space Marines with some very nasty rules added, they also have support from Chaos Daemons such as Bloodletters and the Bloodthirster. There are four 'marks' of Chaos to choose from, or you can go undivided.

Grey Knights are like super powered Space Marines, they are ridiculously hard but have a high points cost.

Sisters of Battle are like women Space Marines. A little less tough but have some very nice tanks and special rules that make them a pretty scary force.


I personally have Eldar because i like having a squad of aspect warriors tailored to taking out standard infantry in one round of combat (Striking Scorpions) or a squad that can take out a tank without even breaking a sweat (Fire Dragons). Eldar are also supported by some of the most advanced weaponry in the game such as the D-Cannon. If an enemy model is caught in the blast of a D-Cannon, you only need to roll a 2 to wound, if you roll a 6 to wound, that model instantly gets taken off the board regardless of wounds or anything else. They also have wraithlords, I don't need to say anymore, just google them.

PM me if you want more info.
 

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I've just started to get into it properly and my mates have been at it for years; it provides a lot of fun, especially if you enjoy the playing, the discussion and the painting (which isn't as hard as it would initially seem). For one of my mates, the painting is everything and the models he creates are absolutely beautiful.