Warhammer and Warhammer 40k

[oppp7]

Well, considering orks in WH40k are completely different on a biological scale than those in WH, plus elves, dwarves, and several other races not existing in 40K I'll go out on a limb here and say no, they are completely different universes, not the same at different time periods.

 

[Toaster Hunter]

I am not sure about this, but I heard that originally the Warhammer world was a planet trapped in the warp, explaining the similarities. This has been changed by Games Workshop and the two are now separate entities.

 

[Reolus]

Fantasy or 40,000, basically. If Nintendo made it, it would be Super Mario Fantasy and Super Mario 40,000: just the same IP, not neccessarily the same story.

 

[Fenring]

They were, but it got retcon'd so now they're separate.

 

[Mr Smith]

Well, considering orks in WH40k are completely different on a biological scale than those in WH, plus elves, dwarves, and several other races not existing in 40K I'll go out on a limb here and say no, they are completely different universes, not the same at different time periods.

Elves and Dwarves exist in 40k as the Eldar and Squats/Demiurg respectivly.

The two universes are seperate, with some simularities in the use of fantasy staples (Orcs/Orks, Elves/Eldar, etc.) or "original" Games Workshop concepts (Chaos). There have been some suggestions that the Warp is a common bridging point for the two universes, but I'm not sure if that's cannon in either mythos.

 

[dalek sec]

I am not sure about this, but I heard that originally the Warhammer world was a planet trapped in the warp, explaining the similarities. This has been changed by Games Workshop and the two are now separate entities.

This is what I've heard in the past as well. The planet for Warhammer was a planet trapped in a unending warp storm and that's why no one from the 40K universe has ever set foot on it.

 

[Scobie]

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[oppp7]

Well, considering orks in WH40k are completely different on a biological scale than those in WH, plus elves, dwarves, and several other races not existing in 40K I'll go out on a limb here and say no, they are completely different universes, not the same at different time periods.

Elves and Dwarves exist in 40k as the Eldar and Squats/Demiurg respectivly.

The two universes are seperate, with some simularities in the use of fantasy staples (Orcs/Orks, Elves/Eldar, etc.) or "original" Games Workshop concepts (Chaos). There have been some suggestions that the Warp is a common bridging point for the two universes, but I'm not sure if that's cannon in either mythos.

Well, ya, but I meant the elves on Earth, since the Eldar are completely different.

Not really sure about those dwarves. Are they from Earth too?

 

[Mechsoap]

their the same universe i think, the orcs are there, the imperials are there, the elves are disquised as eldar, the undead are necrons, and the same war has been on, the only things changed is their technology indicating that warhammer 40k are far ahead in the future

 

[oooooooooooooooooooooooooo]

As stated above, it has been hinted that the Warhammer universe takes place within the 40K universe. There is a even a fairly well based theory that the Wahammer universe takes place in the future of the 40k universe. But there is no firm answer.

 

[dekkarax]

No, though they might share the same Warp.

In older editions Chaos armies could actually use Chaos Space Marines as generals.

 

[Iwata]

Both universes are connected by the Warp.

Not only that, but The Old Ones and the Slann are also common to both universes, and were in fact creators of the Eldar and the Orks, at least. It is generally agreed that the world of Warhammer Fantasy is either a world still lost to the Imperium after the Age of Strife, a world inside the Eye of Terror, or a world isolated by Warp storms.

In addition, Sigmar, the first Emperor in Warhammer Fantasy, and the man that united mankind in that world, is also hinted to be one of the two lost Primarchs. His life is very much alike that of most other Primarchs prior to their reunion with the Emperor, and the Twin-Tailed comet, holy symbol of the Empire and sign of Sigmar, also looks suspiciously like a drop-pod.

Someone also mentioned that you could use Chaos Space Marines in WFB. That is true (although their bolter didn't work), but more recently, in the current 5th ed. you still have many special characters in Chaos Demons that share both worlds.

So, there you have it. There are more links, but GW refuses to comment on the matter.

 

[Blind Sight]

I think they are separate universes but I cant claim knowing it for sure. They do seem pretty similar though with Chaos, Imperials and orks. I prefer 40k to be honest.

yeah it seems alot of ppl prefer 40k over the fantasy one.

Well basically I think its a matter of the fantasy setting is basically a slightly darker clone of every other fantasy game ever created. The 40k universe has a little more feeling in it and is interesting because there really isn't any good guys.

In reality more people rip off both Warhammer series then anything else. Warcraft and Starcraft are basically Blizzard showing what huge Warhammer nuts they are (Terrans are Space Marines, Zerg are Tyranids, Protoss are Eldar, etc.)

 

[Daffy F]

I always thought the idea was they're the same universe, but 40K is set in the year 40,000.

 

[Iwata]

I always thought the idea was they're the same universe, but 40K is set in the year 40,000.

Nope, there's a pretty well defined timeline of the Imperium. It is very, very unlikely that Warhammer Fantasy is "past" and 40K is "future". Mainly because 40K's past is, well... our own.

 

[LogicNProportion]

It's hinted that the world in Warhammer Fantasy is in 40k's Eye of Terror.

Sigmar is speculated to be one of the lost primarchs, or another form of worship to The Emperor.

It's also hinted that The Old Ones spoken of, are ancestors of the Lizard People from Fantasy.

 

[The Stonker]

Does no one know? sorry for the shamless bump...

Nope different universes.
Because you don't have ratmen in 40k now do you?
Or space marines in fantasy.

Source? I play Fantasy,40k and to be a prick Warmachine.

 

[Iwata]

Does no one know? sorry for the shamless bump...

Nope different universes.
Because you don't have ratmen in 40k now do you?
Or space marines in fantasy.

Source? I play Fantasy,40k and to be a prick Warmachine.

Actually, you do have several mutations in 40K, including Beastmen. Skaven are the way they are due to warpstone exposure.

As for Astartes in Fantasy, as previously said, you could use Chaos Space Marines in Fantasy a few editions ago, and Chaos shares many characters in both systems.

I play 40K as well. For the best part of twenty years. And I played Fantasy as well until very recently, when I sold my Undead army.

 

[sturryz]

My (limited) understanding is that Warhammer has a fairly generic fantasy setting.

The more popular Warhammer 40k is set in the 40th millennium.
It features Space Marines, hordes of flesh eating bugs, and interstellar travel.

Generic? hardly. It does alot of real funny things that keep it more interesting then most Fantasy properties.

For example, they have a god of Atheism, dead serious. http://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Necoho

 

[Iwata]

My (limited) understanding is that Warhammer has a fairly generic fantasy setting.

The more popular Warhammer 40k is set in the 40th millennium.
It features Space Marines, hordes of flesh eating bugs, and interstellar travel.

Generic? hardly. It does alot of real funny things that keep it more interesting then most Fantasy properties.

For example, they have a god of Atheism, dead serious. http://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Necoho

Don't forget the Rat Men Assassins.