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[Sonicron]

So what about the metallic dragon beastie that Ferrus Manus killed on Medusa. Was that a C'tan too?
The Dragon is probably still imprisoned, just, as you would hope that the Mechanicus would notice if some kind of super destructive entity woke up on their most sacred planet and assumedly started wrecking shit.

... No, that was Asirnoth, the Great Sylver Wyrm - a lifeform native to Medusa. Seeing how that beastie is actually described as a wyrm, meaning some variation of serpent with a distinct corporeal form, I can't see how the comparison to the C'tan holds up.

The point was that Ferrus killed a metal skinned Dragon monster (wyrm being an old term for dragon). This was clearly not a C'tan, so it is entirely possible that the dragon on Mars was not a C'tan but some other kind of nasty monster, it's not uncommon for humans to name things dragon, given their place as pretty much the best/scariest mythological beast. Also, if the Dragon isn't C'tan, that leaves the 40K universe with more unknowns, and therefore more interesting than "here's another thing the C'tan did, be afraid".

I'm not saying it's impossible, but I honestly don't believe GW to be subtle enough to introduce something new in this way. Had the Emperor chained the beast he defeated on any other planet I'd probably agree, but the way it was written by Graham McNeill... that wasn't a subtle nudge. That was bludgeoning the point home with a big metal bat engraved with "This is the fucking Void Dragon".

 

[Megalodon]

So what about the metallic dragon beastie that Ferrus Manus killed on Medusa. Was that a C'tan too?
The Dragon is probably still imprisoned, just, as you would hope that the Mechanicus would notice if some kind of super destructive entity woke up on their most sacred planet and assumedly started wrecking shit.

... No, that was Asirnoth, the Great Sylver Wyrm - a lifeform native to Medusa. Seeing how that beastie is actually described as a wyrm, meaning some variation of serpent with a distinct corporeal form, I can't see how the comparison to the C'tan holds up.

The point was that Ferrus killed a metal skinned Dragon monster (wyrm being an old term for dragon). This was clearly not a C'tan, so it is entirely possible that the dragon on Mars was not a C'tan but some other kind of nasty monster, it's not uncommon for humans to name things dragon, given their place as pretty much the best/scariest mythological beast. Also, if the Dragon isn't C'tan, that leaves the 40K universe with more unknowns, and therefore more interesting than "here's another thing the C'tan did, be afraid".

I'm not saying it's impossible, but I honestly don't believe GW to be subtle enough to introduce something new in this way. Had the Emperor chained the beast he defeated on any other planet I'd probably agree, but the way it was written by Graham McNeill... that wasn't a subtle nudge. That was bludgeoning the point home with a big metal bat engraved with "This is the fucking Void Dragon".

When I read this, I actually gave McNeill kudos for (from my perspective), not just sticking the Dragon as the C'tan it had been rumored to be. A marvelous example of people reading the same words and forming entirely different views.
That said, if I remember, I'll check Mechanicum, because as I previously said, I didn't get any impression that the Dragon was C'tan.

 

[vallorn]

So what about the metallic dragon beastie that Ferrus Manus killed on Medusa. Was that a C'tan too?
The Dragon is probably still imprisoned, just, as you would hope that the Mechanicus would notice if some kind of super destructive entity woke up on their most sacred planet and assumedly started wrecking shit.

maybe. there were a lot more Ctan once but most of them died out. that dragon beastie could have been a remnant of one of them trying to regain its strength.

the VD is a god of machines and the Mechanium worships the machine god... methinks that some of them would like to be ruled be the VD...

 

[Megalodon]

So what about the metallic dragon beastie that Ferrus Manus killed on Medusa. Was that a C'tan too?
The Dragon is probably still imprisoned, just, as you would hope that the Mechanicus would notice if some kind of super destructive entity woke up on their most sacred planet and assumedly started wrecking shit.

maybe. there were a lot more Ctan once but most of them died out. that dragon beastie could have been a remnant of one of them trying to regain its strength.

the VD is a god of machines and the Mechanium worships the machine god... methinks that some of them would like to be ruled be the VD...

Unlikely that Ferrus' beastie was a remnant of a C'tan, given that all the dead ones were consumed utterly by thier fellows.
I'm not saying that some tech priests wouldn't/don't worship the VD, just that as an organisation they don't and the "official" machine god is currently not a C'tan.

 

[Sonicron]

When I read this, I actually gave McNeill kudos for (from my perspective), not just sticking the Dragon as the C'tan it had been rumored to be. A marvelous example of people reading the same words and forming entirely different views.
That said, if I remember, I'll check Mechanicum, because as I previously said, I didn't get any impression that the Dragon was C'tan.

That's one of the thing I love about books - so much potential ambiguity to be found in the wording alone.
That said, I immensely enjoy McNeill's writing style, and easily rate Mechanicum among my Top 3 of the series so far. In fact, I enjoyed it so much I used it as the primary source for one of my university research papers and, indeed, built the entire paper around it.

 

[vallorn]

So what about the metallic dragon beastie that Ferrus Manus killed on Medusa. Was that a C'tan too?
The Dragon is probably still imprisoned, just, as you would hope that the Mechanicus would notice if some kind of super destructive entity woke up on their most sacred planet and assumedly started wrecking shit.

maybe. there were a lot more Ctan once but most of them died out. that dragon beastie could have been a remnant of one of them trying to regain its strength.

the VD is a god of machines and the Mechanium worships the machine god... methinks that some of them would like to be ruled be the VD...

Unlikely that Ferrus' beastie was a remnant of a C'tan, given that all the dead ones were consumed utterly by thier fellows.
I'm not saying that some tech priests wouldn't/don't worship the VD, just that as an organisation they don't and the "official" machine god is currently not a C'tan.

what about the schism? the mechanium is divided between those who worship the emperor as the Omnissiah and those who worship... something else. that something is hevily implied to be the void dragon (even if those techpriests dont know it).

please note that i am ignoring the Dark Mechanius for the purposes as they worship almighty chaos.

 

[Megalodon]

When I read this, I actually gave McNeill kudos for (from my perspective), not just sticking the Dragon as the C'tan it had been rumored to be. A marvelous example of people reading the same words and forming entirely different views.
That said, if I remember, I'll check Mechanicum, because as I previously said, I didn't get any impression that the Dragon was C'tan.

That's one of the thing I love about books - so much potential ambiguity to be found in the wording alone.
That said, I immensely enjoy McNeill's writing style, and easily rate Mechanicum among my Top 3 of the series so far. In fact, I enjoyed it so much I used it as the primary source for one of my university research papers and, indeed, built the entire paper around it.

FTW? What was that paper about?
I'd have to agree, best 3 heresy books so far, Legion (which is even more open to crazy interpretation than Mechanicum), Mechanicum and the Loken trilogy (one story, so it counts, can't really decide between Horus Rising and Galaxy in Flames).

EDIT-How epically have we hijacked this thread?

 

[albear]

agreed the movie does lokk pretty god damn awesome

hmmm to buy or not to buy?

 

[vallorn]

EDIT-How epically have we hijacked this thread?

this epically.

and Leigon was so confusing that its the only HH book ive read less than 3 times...

 

[Megalodon]

So what about the metallic dragon beastie that Ferrus Manus killed on Medusa. Was that a C'tan too?
The Dragon is probably still imprisoned, just, as you would hope that the Mechanicus would notice if some kind of super destructive entity woke up on their most sacred planet and assumedly started wrecking shit.

maybe. there were a lot more Ctan once but most of them died out. that dragon beastie could have been a remnant of one of them trying to regain its strength.

the VD is a god of machines and the Mechanium worships the machine god... methinks that some of them would like to be ruled be the VD...

Unlikely that Ferrus' beastie was a remnant of a C'tan, given that all the dead ones were consumed utterly by thier fellows.
I'm not saying that some tech priests wouldn't/don't worship the VD, just that as an organisation they don't and the "official" machine god is currently not a C'tan.

what about the schism? the mechanium is divided between those who worship the emperor as the Omnissiah and those who worship... something else. that something is hevily implied to be the void dragon (even if those techpriests dont know it).

please note that i am ignoring the Dark Mechanius for the purposes as they worship almighty chaos.

There is debate in the Mechanicus over the nature of the Machine God, true, but the official line remains the Machine God is an aspect of the emperor, but what the members believe depends on forge world of origin. The main basis for this is Titanicus, and if there was any implications of the alternative being the VD in that book, they were subtle enough for me to miss.

 

[Sonicron]

When I read this, I actually gave McNeill kudos for (from my perspective), not just sticking the Dragon as the C'tan it had been rumored to be. A marvelous example of people reading the same words and forming entirely different views.
That said, if I remember, I'll check Mechanicum, because as I previously said, I didn't get any impression that the Dragon was C'tan.

That's one of the thing I love about books - so much potential ambiguity to be found in the wording alone.
That said, I immensely enjoy McNeill's writing style, and easily rate Mechanicum among my Top 3 of the series so far. In fact, I enjoyed it so much I used it as the primary source for one of my university research papers and, indeed, built the entire paper around it.

FTW? What was that paper about?
I'd have to agree, best 3 heresy books so far, Legion (which is even more open to crazy interpretation than Mechanicum), Mechanicum and the Loken trilogy (one story, so it counts, can't really decide between Horus Rising and Galaxy in Flames).

EDIT-How epically have we hijacked this thread?

Agreed on the first two, though ranked as 2nd and 3rd in my list. To me the best in the series so far was James Swallow's "Flight of the Eisenstein".

The paper was for my 3rd semester linguistics class in English, and was titled "Word-formation processes in science-fiction literature". It was basically research on what kind of word-formation processes occur most frequently in the medium and genre, the first half being a detailed account of the processes relevant to the paper and the second half a collection of examples mostly chosen from Mechanicum and one of the early Battletech novels.
Got a 2.0 on the paper, so it can't have been that bad. ^^

And yes, our thread-hijacking powers are off the scale today.

 

[Megalodon]

Agreed on the first two, though ranked as 2nd and 3rd in my list. To me the best in the series so far was James Swallow's "Flight of the Eisenstein".

The paper was for my 3rd semester linguistics class in English, and was titled "Word-formation processes in science-fiction literature". It was basically research on what kind of word-formation processes occur most frequently in the medium and genre, the first half being a detailed account of the processes relevant to the paper and the second half a collection of examples mostly chosen from Mechanicum and one of the early Battletech novels.
Got a 2.0 on the paper, so it can't have been that bad. ^^

And yes, our thread-hijacking powers are off the scale today.

Fair, I felt too much of Eisenstein was repetition of the previous book, probably didn't help that I read them so close together.
That description of your paper reminded me why I do Biochemistry at Uni

 

[Sonicron]

That description of your paper reminded me why I do Biochemistry at Uni

Heh. To each their own, I guess. While linguistics can at times feel like chewing your way through a piece of drywall, I'd still take it over your subject any day. Numbers, diagrams, formulae... dear lord, I wouldn't touch that with a ten-foot pole. xD

 

[Lord Legion]

From what I gathered, the Adeptus Mechanicus were waiting for the Machine Spirit to awaken. And I do fully believe that the Void Dragon is on Mars. That was what I got out of it, but I suppose the possibility exists that it wasn't...but wouldn't the imperium have stumbled across another one if it wasn't some unique necron god?

And it would have been strong enough that the god-emperor couldn't destroy it, only imprison it.


You know, this is one of the reasons why they could NEVER actually make a good movie on war40k, waaaay too much background plot that would need to be summed up, plus it is doubtful many people would identify with a space marine, so we'd get a generic retard that defies convention to get "drafted" into the space marines so he can save the universe from something.

oh, and there will be a romance plot...with an eldar seeress...and it will bring peace between the two races.


Also, I say he'd be picked up by space marines, because the audience probably wouldn't want to watch millions of guys on their side get massacred.

 

[Gerrawn]

Right, I just watched the trailer. It looks alright but as said before the animations look a bit jerky at times. But one thing that annoys the hell out of me is that there's no light coming from the eyes on the helmets. It just looks so weird, especially on that side shot they have on the website.

 

[AnAngryMoose]

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

You, sir, have made my day with that. I'm still laughing.

SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!

I'll probably get it. Looks pretty sweet.

 

[AnAngryMoose]

EDIT: Double post

 

[Halceon]

This is seriously abhorrent. It doesn't stand up to CI movie standarts. Fuck it, it doesn't even stand up to game intro standards for games licensed by GAMES FUCKING WORKSHOP THEMSELVES. It would look many times better if they'd just composed the whole thing out of footage from Space Marine the game. I just can't picture the famously greedy people of GW sitting in a meeting and going: "You know what we need? A crappy movie, that fans will hate for the story and newbies will hate for the looks."

 

[Gildan Bladeborn]

A feature length 40K film with that voice cast and a script penned by Dan Abnett? Hell yes, I don't even care how "high quality" the rendering might be, that is so pre-ordered (or rather, has already been pre-ordered as of several days ago).

 

[Metal Brother]

FUCKING AWESOME!!!

I discovered this movie in the "Iron Sky" thread, and immediately pre-ordered my DVD. I love the fact that this is an indie Warhammer 40K movie, with some serious voice talent. I'm glad to support the guys who are making this, and can't wait to get the disc in the mail.