was hitler a great leader? bad leader?

[Darius Brogan]

Hitler was the greatest leader Germany had ever seen.

Their economy was flourishing, percentage of unemployment was the lowest in the world at the time, he was charismatic, brilliant, ect...

And until he went mad with power, which was also partially his seconds fault, he was indeed a great leader.

The whole 'despite the mass genocide thing' came after his fall into insanity.

Up until that point, he was a a good person... despite being a politician, and even after his 'gone nutz' vacation, he managed to turn the world upside down, I'd say he did good... not in the, you know, GOOD sense of the word... but more in the 'he accomplished LOTS in a few years' kind of way.

 

[Teddy Roosevelt]

Saying 'hitler was a good leader despite the whole mass genocide thing' is a lot like saying Charles Manson was a good song-writer despite the whole Sharon Tate murder thing, or Ted Kaczynski was a good academic despite the whole bombing Airports and Universities thing.

Sure, as AWESOME as the Autobahn is, it doesn't make up for the whole 'HE ORDERED THE SYSTEMATIC MURDER OF 12 MILLION INNOCENT PEOPLE' thing.

Well, six million, but still. That doesn't really change much.

 

[Teddy Roosevelt]

He brought Germany out of the depression that was caused by... erm... whatever they called the UN type thing back then. They put all the blame and extreme debts on Germany when Germany didn't even start WWI.

You mean the Versailles Peace Conference? And how did Germany not start the war? They made the first attack by invading.

Umm... do you know anything about WWI? It was started when Archduke Franz Ferdinand or whatever was assassinated. Germany and a ton of other countries were pulled in from the alliance system.

But that doen't change the fact that it was Germany who started the war by attacking first. The assasination of an Austrian noble in Serbia is hardly an excuse for Germany to attack of Belgium, Luxembourg and France.

In addition the demanding of waqr reparations was standard practice for the Germans, they took vast ammount from the Russians and intended to pay for their war effort by demanding repartions from France if they won.

Actually, it was Serbia and Austro-Hungary that began the war. Russia joined the war on the side of Serbia, and I forget the other order of joining nations, but I think Germany joined next against Russia, then Britain and France... I forget, but it wasn't Germany.

 

[Darius Brogan]

Good leader doing horrible things but we kicked his a*s!

He really kicked his own ass... I mean, who in their right mind fights a war, unprepared, into a RUSSIAN WINTER! Stupid, stupid idea that cost him the war... Although, the several months the Russians delayed him at Kiev may have played a part... like, a huge part.

 

[Axolotl]

He brought Germany out of the depression that was caused by... erm... whatever they called the UN type thing back then. They put all the blame and extreme debts on Germany when Germany didn't even start WWI.

You mean the Versailles Peace Conference? And how did Germany not start the war? They made the first attack by invading.

Umm... do you know anything about WWI? It was started when Archduke Franz Ferdinand or whatever was assassinated. Germany and a ton of other countries were pulled in from the alliance system.

But that doen't change the fact that it was Germany who started the war by attacking first. The assasination of an Austrian noble in Serbia is hardly an excuse for Germany to attack of Belgium, Luxembourg and France.

In addition the demanding of waqr reparations was standard practice for the Germans, they took vast ammount from the Russians and intended to pay for their war effort by demanding repartions from France if they won.

You're not making any sense at all. The spark of the war was the assassination, I don't care if you don't think it was a good enough reason for the war to start, but it was the start of the war and your opinion doesn't change that fact. Germany was then brought in by the alliance system and started to attack/encourage Austria-Hungary to attack. Germany did NOT start the war. And fyi, shooting someone is an attack, so therefore, Serbia attacked first.

Franz Ferdinand was assasinated by a Serbian terrorist group, not the Serbiad military. Germany was the first country to take military action which it did by invading Belgium, which was a neutral country. Argue about the alliance system all you like it doesn't change the fact that Germany declared war on Belgium, Luxembourg and France due to the actions of a Serbian terrorist. Additionally the reparations Germany was forced to pay was in line with what they planned to force France to pay if they won.

 

[PoweD]

He brought Germany out of the depression that was caused by... erm... whatever they called the UN type thing back then. They put all the blame and extreme debts on Germany when Germany didn't even start WWI.

You mean the Versailles Peace Conference? And how did Germany not start the war? They made the first attack by invading.

Umm... do you know anything about WWI? It was started when Archduke Franz Ferdinand or whatever was assassinated. Germany and a ton of other countries were pulled in from the alliance system.

But that doen't change the fact that it was Germany who started the war by attacking first. The assasination of an Austrian noble in Serbia is hardly an excuse for Germany to attack of Belgium, Luxembourg and France.

In addition the demanding of waqr reparations was standard practice for the Germans, they took vast ammount from the Russians and intended to pay for their war effort by demanding repartions from France if they won.

You're not making any sense at all. The spark of the war was the assassination, I don't care if you don't think it was a good enough reason for the war to start, but it was the start of the war and your opinion doesn't change that fact. Germany was then brought in by the alliance system and started to attack/encourage Austria-Hungary to attack. Germany did NOT start the war. And fyi, shooting someone is an attack, so therefore, Serbia attacked first.

True,but Austria and Germany were already prepared to go to war and all they needed was an excuse to cover their invasion plan.Germany didn't have any reason to aid them while Allies wanted a excuse to have a war too.

and yay 100 posts

 

[Aidinthel]

He got his country bombed to hell and back. Even if you ignore morality, he was still a terrible leader.

but he fixed germany after WWI AND took the entire world out of an economic depression. if hitler didnt exist, america would have NEVER made it where it is today and we would be in a very different state economically. for him to take a broken country where the currency at the time was nothing, and turn it into a fighting machine that took the multiple countries simultaneously attacking him to take him down is brilliant.

But getting in that war at all was insane. Yes, Germany was pretty messed up before Hitler came to power. But it was much, much worse at the point where he committed suicide, and then it was divided in half because of his war. You seem to stop the clock at the point of his greatest success, but history doesn't work that way. You need to look at the whole picture.

 

[Tim_Buoy]

well this came out of a conversation about obama being compared to hitler

 

[zutagonecver]

Hitler is like George Lucas. He get way too much credit for the decisions of the people around him. When he personally took over his military strategic planning, the whole Nazi war machine went down the shitter...

 

[HassEsser]

Saying 'hitler was a good leader despite the whole mass genocide thing' is a lot like saying Charles Manson was a good song-writer despite the whole Sharon Tate murder thing, or Ted Kaczynski was a good academic despite the whole bombing Airports and Universities thing.

Sure, as AWESOME as the Autobahn is, it doesn't make up for the whole 'HE ORDERED THE SYSTEMATIC MURDER OF 12 MILLION INNOCENT PEOPLE' thing.

You are making an incredibly biased point, and are completely looking past the big picture. Hitler raised Germany from the dirt, where no citizens of Germany thought possible. Then he gained nationwide support, and followed that by gaining international fame. He tricked the entire world for the longest time, and when the shit hit the fan, he managed to take over almost the entirety of Europe.

I am not saying he deserves praise, he was a sadistic murder, and without a shadow of a doubt got what was coming to him, but he does deserve credit where due. He did the impossible.

 

[Tim_Buoy]

Saying 'hitler was a good leader despite the whole mass genocide thing' is a lot like saying Charles Manson was a good song-writer despite the whole Sharon Tate murder thing, or Ted Kaczynski was a good academic despite the whole bombing Airports and Universities thing.

Sure, as AWESOME as the Autobahn is, it doesn't make up for the whole 'HE ORDERED THE SYSTEMATIC MURDER OF 12 MILLION INNOCENT PEOPLE' thing.

Yeah like saying Roman Polanski is a very good director despite the whole rape and being a fugitive.

well to be fair roman polanski is a great director and the girl did forgive him for the rape

 

[icame]

He was a good leader. But he is also an abomination of humankind who deserved to die a horrible death instead of committing suicide.

 

[lokun489]

good leader bad ideas.

 

[Xero Scythe]

Saying 'hitler was a good leader despite the whole mass genocide thing' is a lot like saying Charles Manson was a good song-writer despite the whole Sharon Tate murder thing, or Ted Kaczynski was a good academic despite the whole bombing Airports and Universities thing.

Sure, as AWESOME as the Autobahn is, it doesn't make up for the whole 'HE ORDERED THE SYSTEMATIC MURDER OF 12 MILLION INNOCENT PEOPLE' thing.

Wasn't the Autobahn made before Hitler? I'm foggy on that.

Anyways, he was a legendary public speaker. He could lead well, he just had no idea what the hell he was doing in war and was a general douche, as we all know.

If he had listened to his bloody generals, chances are we would all be speaking German right now.

 

[BlumiereBleck]

A great leader. But the whole holocaust 2 thing made history hate him.

 

[Communist partisan]

Good leader doing horrible things but we kicked his a*s!

He really kicked his own ass... I mean, who in their right mind fights a war, unprepared, into a RUSSIAN WINTER! Stupid, stupid idea that cost him the war... Although, the several months the Russians delayed him at Kiev may have played a part... like, a huge part.

It was a lot he wasn't supose to do if he wanted to win the war both against sovjet the allies and ofc he lost a lot helping the italians or starting on über weapon ideas that never saw the light.

 

[VirtualInsanity91]

Hitler is the greatest leader of the 20th century. Not to say he was a good man. One of the most evil men to have ever lived yes, but time magazine doesnt name you man of the year for no reason.

 

[major28]

hitler did alot of good and was the leader germany needed, he revitalised the economy, stopped oppression on germany, and conquered territory, sounds like a good leader to me. But then there was the whole genecide thingy but that was no biggy(totally kidding plz dont flame me)