was hitler a great leader? bad leader?

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OK, I think we need to clarify something. There is a difference between being a good leader, and being a good person.

Hitler was the former. He kind of had to be, to get so many people to do so many horrible things.
 

Quid Plura

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Hitler was a pretty good leader, but most of the good things he did were a prelude for the bad things he did later on. Ofcourse, it has to be seen whether starting a war is a bad thing.

His good works and there evil intentions:
- Autobahn; highways throughout Germany to speed up transportation, but also transportation of his army.
- Volkswagen: A car for every German, but the factories could switch over to tank building mode in a matter of days. (Also, he set this up with a guy names Porsche, who later on started his own car company)
- Stopping the economic crisis; again, with staring up a war economy, he got everybody to work.
And so on.

You can't look at the good things the man did without realising that it was all part of a greater goal: starting and winning a war.

As a leader figure, Hitler was nearly perfect. Mostly because he surrounded himself with good advisers. For example, his secretary of propaganda, Goebbels, wrote most of his excellent speeches. We may not think much of those today, but back in the 30's, these were the bomb.

But: Much of the appeal Hitler had amongst normal disgruntled Germans was the fact that he was about to clear up the Jews (first plans to deport them to their own state Israël, then deport them to Madagascar, and in 1942 the Endlösung or Holocaust). So is it even possible to dislodge the leader figure of Hitler from the deeds the man has done?
 

Mordwyl

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Evil men don't necessarily equate to terrible leadership skills. Hell some good ones make horrible leaders, just look at the former US president.
 

Alandoril

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If it hadn't been for the whole lebensraum thing Germany would probably still be Nazi, but given social changes probably without the racist overtones and it would probably be better off than nearly any other nation on the planet.
 

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Closet Superhero said:
Bad leader. Aside from being at the head of a genocidal government (which makes him as morally evil as anyone in history), he and his secret police also ruthlessly murdered any political opponents to their regime, and thereby, through fear, repressed any expression of public opposition to policy.

To me, if you can only have the support of your people by murdering or threatening any divergent opinions, then you are just a ruthless dictator. It might make you successful, but it does not a 'good' leader make.

Also, he instigated a World War that led to his country's defeat. Clearly a bad move.
The question isn't whether or not Hitler was a great man, he most certainly was not, but a great leader. He was an outstanding leader, he knew what the average German was thinking and then manipulated those thoughts. Not a good military thinker, but a fantastic leader.
 

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Mordwyl said:
Evil men don't necessarily equate to terrible leadership skills. Hell some good ones make horrible leaders, just look at the former US president.
are you implying George Bush was a good man?
 

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he was a great leader, just a little crazy is all but he did what everyone else couldn't at that time unite Germany

Stalin greater imo
 

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Of course! He was a great leader! One of the best who ever lived, but he just had the wrong intentions. He was also one of the evilest bastards who ever lived. As someone else has said, evil doesn't equate to bad leadership.
 

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tricky_tree said:
Mordwyl said:
Evil men don't necessarily equate to terrible leadership skills. Hell some good ones make horrible leaders, just look at the former US president.
are you implying George Bush was a good man?
An incompetent ignoramus of a man who made terrible decisions but I wouldn't put him in the likes of Hitler and Genghis Khan.
 

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He was utterly incompotent. He dragged his country into a series of wars they couldn't possibly win and ended up with it being torn in half and being occupied by foreign forces (who are still there). He's one of the worst rulers of all time.
 

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Karathos said:
I'm not that educated on specifics so I don't know just how good a military leader he was
Dire.

He was a charismatic figurehead, but not a good leader. He was lazy, hasty in decision-making and slightly evil. He intervened frequently and disastrously, causing Germany to lose the war.
 

Ben Rea

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He had good charisma and had the surrport of a lot of germans but it when wrong when he went all mental at anyone who looked diffrent plus he fucked with britain, USA and most of the world and thats a big error
 

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I think, he was a figure in a fairy tale like jesus in the bible - made for us to learn about good and bad.