Was MGS4 the best game of last gen?
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Ah, but Saints Row IV was much more than that. It was a love letter to pretty much all of video game and geek culture, with shout outs to everything from Double Dragon to the Transformers movie(you know, the good one back in 1986). The gameplay was solid, the super powers helped make the game stand out from the rest of the series, the banter was outstanding, and Zinyak was the perfect villain for the game. Playing Saints Row IV filled me with so much pure unadulterated joy that I could almost overlook the fact that the missions mostly consisted of doing side missions for your crew. Even so, while it probably isn't what I'd pick for game of the generation, it was certainly my pick for game of its year.SaneAmongInsane said:
Not sure if I can pick one for the whole generation though. It's just too large a span of time. I mean there's the Souls series for pointing out how braindead most action games are in comparison, the Arkham [geographical location] games with their fluid combat, Assassin's Creed IV for being the perfect pirate simulator, Kerbal Space Program for all the struts and rockets... the list of games that were really good at what they were trying to do is pretty long.
Haven't played it and by the sounds of it wouldn't like to.
It's really just a matter of opinion. I just don't think it's a very popular opinion.
It's really just a matter of opinion. I just don't think it's a very popular opinion.
RDR was very good but the one thing that irritated me beyond respite was that missions never took place around where you started them. You had to activate a mission, then ride for 10 minutes straight towards the actual starting point. 10 minutes of holding down X while listening to your riding buddy's unskippable philosophizing. 40 missions into the game I just gave up.Valagetti said:
Do you think it was the best game of last gen? Because that's all that should matter to you.
But since you asked for my opinion.... no.
But since you asked for my opinion.... no.
The short answer is "no". The long answer is "no way on this world or any other."[footnote]Thanks go to Stephen Fry for that one[/footnote] I'm actually an MGS fan, but MGS4 is not that great a game. Here's some of the things that detracted from my experience with it:
Making Snake a sad old man.
Length of cut-scenes.
Extreme linearity compared to previous games in the series (go another way than you're supposed to, even when it's an option, and the NPCs immediately start nagging).
Why use stealth when you carry an arsenal? (In fairness, this was not new in MGS4, but it was taken to new heights.)
Unsympathetic characters. (I don't care why you help terrorists, Naomi, you're still helping terrorists.)
I know Snake is legendary at this point in the story, but how and why can alarms go off and more reinforcements arrive in the middle of an already pitched battle because someone spots him (and immediately recognises him)?
Somewhat impractical controls.
There's probably more.
Still, I did complete the game multiple times (skipping most cut-scenes and radio-conversations after my first go), and mostly had fun with it. But best game of the generation? Again, my opinion is no.
Making Snake a sad old man.
Length of cut-scenes.
Extreme linearity compared to previous games in the series (go another way than you're supposed to, even when it's an option, and the NPCs immediately start nagging).
Why use stealth when you carry an arsenal? (In fairness, this was not new in MGS4, but it was taken to new heights.)
Unsympathetic characters. (I don't care why you help terrorists, Naomi, you're still helping terrorists.)
I know Snake is legendary at this point in the story, but how and why can alarms go off and more reinforcements arrive in the middle of an already pitched battle because someone spots him (and immediately recognises him)?
Somewhat impractical controls.
There's probably more.
Still, I did complete the game multiple times (skipping most cut-scenes and radio-conversations after my first go), and mostly had fun with it. But best game of the generation? Again, my opinion is no.
That is great to know! I'll get back to it ASAP. I've heard one cut scene is 1/2 an hour. As a "joke" Snake is gaming and a person speaking to him says, "seriously, put the controller down and listen!" But if I really can save any time during gameplay, then, if once in a while I need to go do chores while such a cut scene plays, I can handle that.ShinyCharizard said:
On youtube there is a fight between snake and his "father" that looks amazing. It sounds like a great game.
But if it doesn't get game of the generation from you, what does? (Again, my 2 cents: Batman Arkham City, followed closely by Uncharted 2, then Fallout 3).
Again, issues with "saves". Yahtzee said he'd ride for 10 minutes and get insta killed by a wild cat without warning and no way to save. Hurts it for me. Right now, I'm stuck at the very beginning, on easy, trying to win a horse race! It looks amazing. I wish I was better at these things (I used to be pretty good in my salad days, pre-kids. I won Link 2, which is considered hard!) Maybe now as kids are older and I have more free time.Johnny Novgorod said:
It's a tough choice. I've played so many great games during the past generation. I suppose I would have to split my choice into one singleplayer game and one multiplayer game.Gorfias said:
Singleplayer:
Fallout 3 - I put over 1500 hours into this game and enjoyed every damn second of it. The world was so interesting to explore, you could set off in any direction and just lose yourself in the game for hours on end. Plus I really loved the VATS system. Shooting off limbs and exploding heads never got old lol.
Multiplayer:
Battlefield Bad Company 2 - The best damn modern military shooter I've ever played and probably ever will play. The gunplay was fantastically tight and accurate, the map design was amazing, it had the best sound design of any shooter ever, it was very well balanced and it all just combined into one hell of a fun game. I must have played it almost every day for at least 4 years. It was a brilliant game to play with friends.
After those two, the other contenders would be:
Halo 3
Bayonetta
Gears of War 3
Demons's Souls
Dark Souls
XCOM
Vanquish
Metal Gear Rising
Tales of Xillia
Yakuza 3
Yakuza 4
Portal 2
Call of Duty 4
Super Meat Boy
Mass Effect 2
Unreal Tournament 3
And I'm sure I'm forgetting a few more
Bayonetta
Gears of War 3
Demons's Souls
Dark Souls
XCOM
Vanquish
Metal Gear Rising
Tales of Xillia
Yakuza 3
Yakuza 4
Portal 2
Call of Duty 4
Super Meat Boy
Mass Effect 2
Unreal Tournament 3
And I'm sure I'm forgetting a few more
Yeah I won't deny the gameplay was pretty damn hit and miss throughout the 5 acts. Still, for some reason I really enjoyed the ridiculous cinematic style of the whole thing.delta4062 said:
Seeing as how the question "what was the best game of last gen" is obscenely subjective, no, I don't believe you can call MGS4 - or any game, for that matter - the "best game of last gen". In order for something to be declared "the best", it must be an objective fact that it is better than everything else it's competing against. Personally I'd argue that Mass Effect 3 was the best game of last generation, but that's just my opinion, and I'm certain that everyone else has their own choices and tastes with this regard.
Not even close. I mean, it was a fun game but the cutscenes alone are enough to drop it several spots. It was honestly a little weird to fight all of those random chicks in costumes. They simply didn't have a unique personality like previous MGS bosses have. I'd say that MGS3 is still my favorite of the series.
Last Gen had some HUGE games that were wonderful. While I don't know what order I'd put them in I know these games would typically go above MGS4.
Bioshock
Red Dead Redemption
Mass Effect (1 and 2)
Fallout 3
Fallout New Vegas
Oblivion
Skyrim
Uncharted 2
The Last of Us
Other people would undoubtedly have other games to list like Journey or something else. MGS4 was good, but I remember very little of it not because of the time that has since passed but because of how long and tedious the story was.
Last Gen had some HUGE games that were wonderful. While I don't know what order I'd put them in I know these games would typically go above MGS4.
Bioshock
Red Dead Redemption
Mass Effect (1 and 2)
Fallout 3
Fallout New Vegas
Oblivion
Skyrim
Uncharted 2
The Last of Us
Other people would undoubtedly have other games to list like Journey or something else. MGS4 was good, but I remember very little of it not because of the time that has since passed but because of how long and tedious the story was.
as a fan of MGS, yeah MGS4 was the best game last gen or at least pretty close. It was everything i ever wanted and more.
Did you have a deep seeded and previously unmet desire to play as an old man in a spy suit? Did you enjoy the hours of dialogue, particularly unskippable stuff?Arina Love said:
I still firmly place MGS3 up there as the greatest of the series with MGS4 being a huge step backwards. We'll see what MGS5 offers.
The leadup to the final fight with Ocelot delivering the most brutal beatdown I've ever seen for three full minutes was one of my favorite gaming moments of the previous generation. It took me from "ow" to "this is getting pretty long" to "dear God, leave him alone!"
Overall the game had some standout moments but taken as a whole was probably just above average if I'm being fair. The final cutscene was longer than a lot of movies.
Overall the game had some standout moments but taken as a whole was probably just above average if I'm being fair. The final cutscene was longer than a lot of movies.
yeah i actually enjoyed all of the dialogues and cutscenes, they were important to me. I play MGS not so much for gameplay but the story.Lightknight said:
MGS4 was a really fun game IF you don't take Metal Gear lore seriously. Which, if you do, I don't know what is wrong with you, Metal Gear doesn't take Metal Gear lore seriously. MGS4 has one of the best b-movie plots I have ever seen, with some of the most entertaining and ridiculous "serious scenes" in the history of video games. I mean, liquid ocelot tried to run over snake with a submarine upon which he carved a mini Mount Rushmore featuring Big Boss and his clones. This is pure gold.
Nothing, and I mean nothing, does campy ridiculous like Metal Gear.
However, MGS4 was weak in other areas. It certainly wasn't the best game of last generation. It might have been the best of the generation to that point, I am not sure what came out before it, but it was not the best overall.
Nothing, and I mean nothing, does campy ridiculous like Metal Gear.
However, MGS4 was weak in other areas. It certainly wasn't the best game of last generation. It might have been the best of the generation to that point, I am not sure what came out before it, but it was not the best overall.