Surely once you kill over one thousand innocent people, the question of who was "more evil" becomes kinda moot, right?
Was Stalin more evil than Hitler?
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Stalin's poor choices led to famine, which led to a lot of death. There wasn't really INTENT there to murder...he just didn't care very much that it was happening, although I believe he did take some steps to correct the error in time. He also killed officers who retreated...his was of inspiring loyalty.
Hitler however said, kill all the Jews, exterminate them all (and he killed more besides Jews as well).
The # of people who died isn't the issue, its intent.
Hitler obviously was the more evil of the two.
Hitler however said, kill all the Jews, exterminate them all (and he killed more besides Jews as well).
The # of people who died isn't the issue, its intent.
Hitler obviously was the more evil of the two.
And as we all know, soviet occupied territories turned out so well, didn't they? I mean just ask the Germans. And no, the Japaneses would not surrender. They, at the time, put pride before their life. Their soldiers were little more than zealots at the time. I'm pretty sure they were teaching kids to crawl under tanks with bombs strapped to em, and also teaching civilians to fight soldiers with pointy sticks.zehydra said:
lol genericusername64 just got hammered.
Word of advice: NEVER start blurting random shit about WWII unless you are CERTAIN because there is always gonna be a few people -- or in this case most of the world -- who know more than you do.
Jesus ... I guess at least he got the COUNTRY right lol
Word of advice: NEVER start blurting random shit about WWII unless you are CERTAIN because there is always gonna be a few people -- or in this case most of the world -- who know more than you do.
Jesus ... I guess at least he got the COUNTRY right lol
Hitler didn't really have much to do with his government. In fact, he had so little to do with it that he woke up around 2 o'clock mid day, had lunch and then had another few naps. The thing about Hitler's government was that he said something and any aspiring Nazi would write up a policy. Hell, the euthanasia policy was written up after a guy wrote to Hitler asking for his wife to be euthanised and an aspiring young Nazi who read the letters wrote up a policy on it.
I don't know as much about Stalin, however. He did order to have many people killed just because he didn't like their tone on that day, he was paranoid all the time. He had so many people who could betray him and he couldn't trust a single one of them. Then when it came to the people his paranoia stuck and he had them all monitored for more usurpers. The famine was his way of exacting communism too, collectivisation was communism in it's purest to Stalin.
There is no way to measure which one was more evil and do we knock points off for where insanity applies? Which was more evil is irrelevant, they were both evil in their own right, destroying the lives of millions for their petty squabbles and rivalries.
I don't know as much about Stalin, however. He did order to have many people killed just because he didn't like their tone on that day, he was paranoid all the time. He had so many people who could betray him and he couldn't trust a single one of them. Then when it came to the people his paranoia stuck and he had them all monitored for more usurpers. The famine was his way of exacting communism too, collectivisation was communism in it's purest to Stalin.
There is no way to measure which one was more evil and do we knock points off for where insanity applies? Which was more evil is irrelevant, they were both evil in their own right, destroying the lives of millions for their petty squabbles and rivalries.
Define evil.Jakub324 said:
A guy kill an ex-girlfriend brother when I was going out with her, some years ago. Does that make him more or less evil than Hitler or Stalin? My ex would say the guy that stabbed her brother in the face was more evil than any of them. Is she wrong? Yes, and no, it is all about perspective.
Hitler and Stalin were both extraordinary men living in extraordinary times, they both saw the world erupt into the flames of war, twice and for one war they both were at the very center. By their orders millions were killed, but such were the times they lived in. They were both just men, who laughed and cried and ate and shat and slept, who got drunk and had sex. They were just men.
Can one man alone be evil? There orders killed millions, yes, but their were million of willing hands to carry out those orders. Is the man who shoots one prisoner in the back of the head any less evil than the man who has order the death of 10,000? Can he put his hands up and say "I was only following orders!" and thus be devolved of all blame? History has thought us that no he can not.
Hitler and Stalin may have been evil men, but they lived in an evil world. Hitler was elected to power and Stalin had the backing to take power and they ruled almost unopposed while committing deeds that many considered evil. The truth is that many people came to disagree with the policy of both leaders,in their respective countries, but did nothing (or at least very little) to change the regime. Most people simply kept their heads down and got on with their own business while around them their was wide spread murder, persecution and corruption.
Does this make them less evil than Hitler or Stalin? Is it OK to let murder and injustice happen because it is too hard or dangerous to stop it? If it does not involve you, or you are not doing it, can you avoid it?
I can not answer these questions for you, everyone must do that for themselves. However, look at the world around you, the changes that are happening in Africa and the Middle East. Ask your self why did the people not rise up like that in German and Russia?
As I have said, Hitler and Stalin lived in a time when Japanese troops were murdering and raping their way across China, when the US was dropping weapons that it did not fully understand. A world that was still not fully recovered from the last time it tore its self apart and now was doing it again. Indeed, the between war years were not much better, Europe was a broken place, full of fear, depression, famine and death. Evil times indeed.
And yet, the full story is not yet know to us. I have studied history for many years and I can tell you things change. Caesar killed as many and 2 million Gauls for personal glory in a war that did not need to happen. Genghis Khan may have killed as many as 10 million. Winston Churchill was a staunch advocator of the Black and Tan's use of terror tactics in Ireland. Yet these men are revered in many Nations across the world. Not enough time has past to get an objective view on the life and times of Hitler and Stalin (or Chuchill for that matter). Many Russians believe that in order for their Nation to rival the US again another Stalin is needed and look upon the old Dictator with fondness. While some German historians believe that there could be a bust of Hitler displayed in the DDR in Berlin is as little as 100 years.
Like I said, define evil.
I'd say Hitler was more evil. He was outgoing in his genocide, while Stalin, from what I'm hearing here, just sat down and gave orders to have people killed during a massive famine.
Coincidentally, Hitler became supreme ruler of Germany on my birthday.vivalahelvig said:
Hitler is more evil because he ruthlessly went out of his to extinct one particular group of people and was then going to move onto other for the reason just cause. While Stalin on the other hand killed a lot of his own people because he considered them a threat and while there are more deaths on his hands he didn't just go after one group cause he wanted to. That is why Hitler is considered more evil.
People talk about the mount of people who died under Stalin but remember their sacrifice is what won us WW2, sure it isn't pleasant but sadly war isn't, Stalin was needed for victory.
"Sacrifice can only be lead with salvation and salvation can only be found with Sacrifice"
"Sacrifice can only be lead with salvation and salvation can only be found with Sacrifice"
The Nuke that was dropped on Japan didn't kill million it affected millions. More were killed in the Fire-bombing of Dresden.genericusername64 said:
Also Hitler was certainly more evil as he persecuted an entire race and claimed that he was simply doing what the Catholic Church had done for nearly 1500 years only his way was more effective. Stalin isn't much different than many African tyrants.
Hey buddy, NO ONE IS MORE EVIL THEN ME!Sean Hollyman said:
OT: I would say about even all things considered.
Okay, Stalin let millions die when he could have easily at least made an attempt to prevent it. He also straight up ordered the murder of millions more. There is no doubt that he is one of the most successfully horrible people in all of human history.
Hitler, however, didn't just order people killed. No. Oh no. He had people dismantled like errant machines. Had all their various bits pulled off just to see how they tick. You would be absolutely amazed at the things we only know because the Nazis kept meticulous records of the things they did. I won't go into them here because they are not exactly an appropriate topic for idle conversation, but suffice it to say that I have no qualms about calling Hitler far more evil than Stalin could ever have hoped to be, and if you do you probably don't really know what the Nazis actually did in those concentration camps.
Hitler, however, didn't just order people killed. No. Oh no. He had people dismantled like errant machines. Had all their various bits pulled off just to see how they tick. You would be absolutely amazed at the things we only know because the Nazis kept meticulous records of the things they did. I won't go into them here because they are not exactly an appropriate topic for idle conversation, but suffice it to say that I have no qualms about calling Hitler far more evil than Stalin could ever have hoped to be, and if you do you probably don't really know what the Nazis actually did in those concentration camps.