Was the Star Wars Blu Ray set ruined by George Lucas?
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I wouldn't know, but personally I don't think old movies look good on Blu-Ray plus I don't think George Lucas needs more money.
Its worth getting if you want them on Blu-ray.
in the end, the double no and dragon call are minor things that you can easily not pay attention to or skip over if you really have some sand in your vagina because of them.
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yeah, i dont find the two to be big things that are deal breakers like some people.
in the end, the double no and dragon call are minor things that you can easily not pay attention to or skip over if you really have some sand in your vagina because of them.
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yeah, i dont find the two to be big things that are deal breakers like some people.
Does anybody really care? I tried reading up on starwars on wiki and left with a huge headache. Between changes and retcons the series makes no sense.
Do i think the series is ruined?
No
Is the series good.
Meh the universe could be really interesting if it stayed consistent.
Do i think the series is ruined?
No
Is the series good.
Meh the universe could be really interesting if it stayed consistent.
It isn't as bad as it could have been, some things were actually fixed for example. The fanfare that played during the attack on the Death Star in A New Hope is finally back in, after being completely drowned out by the sound effects in the 2004 edition.
It just makes no sense in what changes were made. Why are sub par CGI effects not cleaned up, while unnecessary changes like Jabba's doorway or blinking Ewoks are added when nobody needs them?
It just makes no sense in what changes were made. Why are sub par CGI effects not cleaned up, while unnecessary changes like Jabba's doorway or blinking Ewoks are added when nobody needs them?
At this point, the original trilogy is just a test bed for new technology. It has been ever since the special edition was first released, really -- Lucas made those as much to make sure that the stuff he wanted to do with the prequels was technically feasible as he did to keep the negatives from disintegrating.Soviet Heavy said:
OT: While I haven't seen the blu-rays (I don't own a blu-ray player, and short of a pristine transfer of the theatrical cuts of the original trilogy, Star Wars isn't going to convince me to buy one), I'm going to go out on a limb and say whether it's "ruined" or not depends on how you feel about the changes that have already been made. For me, personally, the additions to the SE screwed up the pacing so much that it's at the very least inferior to the original cuts; I've got the Special Edition both on VHS and DVD, and I don't want to pay a third time for the inferior cut, no matter how pretty it looks on bluray. I know he's not reading this, but to Lucas: You get a good transfer of the original original trilogy (I hear there's a few pristine Technicolor prints floating around out there, so there actually are some good sources for a transfer), and I'll buy it on whatever medium you see fit to release it on, even if I have to buy a player for it. You aren't getting any more of my money for re-releases of the OT until you do that.
As a cynic, I must suggest that removing it would be the same as admitting that putting it in was a mistake and Lucas' ego will not permit this... but the truth of the matter is honestly probably just money.Soviet Heavy said:
Tiny little changes are way way cheaper than actually stripping out and completely replacing the godawful CGI.
Honestly, Star Wars has been dead to me since Darth Vader said 'Yippee'.
Just because I want to brag some more about my good luck, check out what I found in the basement.
Unaltered, original cuts of the old Trilogy. I don't need a Blu Ray player.
Unaltered, original cuts of the old Trilogy. I don't need a Blu Ray player.
But no movie is EVER perfect. So why try to make it so and alienate those of us who think the originals were fine the way they were?Souplex said:
I mean, sure, I liked the changes they did to the bespin scene and the new ending to jedi, but other than that, the changes were damaging and in the end even the ones I like are unnecessary. I would rather not have the changes that I thought improved the movie if it meant I were spared the ones which I think ruin the experience.
No one else updates their movies. Except for Steven Spielberg and he's expressed regret over his unfortunate decisions. The special effects of the time and the points in history which influenced movies are all part of the experience of watching them.
Im 23, and I support leaving movies alone. Not just Star Wars, all films!
The only thing that makes me upset is that the deleted scenes--the sole reason I was going to buy these--are only on the complete saga collection, not the trilogy disk. So, instead of buying only the original trilogy, I had to spend an extra $40. Worth it? Judging by the titles of the deleted scenes--Return of the Jedi: Endor battle: The Lost Rebels--I'm going with 'Yes'. This now makes the sixth copy of the original trilogy that I own. I like most of the changes that Lucas makes (that extra scene with Jabba in A New Hope is awesome), but there are some that I wish would just go away.
I'll tell you, if Lucas still hasn't released the unaltered cuts by the time I get out of college, I'll be buying a Laserdisc player so I can get the movies in the best quality available. There was a DVD release of the original cuts, but they pretty much sabotaged the quality, to the point that the laserdisc version (which is what the source was anyway) looks better. I could track down a VHS copy as well (They're actually pretty common; I can think of at least two brick and mortar stores that have complete sets), but I want it in decent quality.Soviet Heavy said:Just because I want to brag some more about my good luck, check out what I found in the basement.
Unaltered, original cuts of the old Trilogy. I don't need a Blu Ray player.
Come back to us when your VCR decides to keep half the tape when you eject the cassette...Soviet Heavy said:Just because I want to brag some more about my good luck, check out what I found in the basement.
Unaltered, original cuts of the old Trilogy. I don't need a Blu Ray player.
OT: Video quality isn't really an issue when we're talking about movies from 1977-1983. I'd be surprised if there's a perceptible difference between upscaled DVD and BD... there barely is one in modern productions.
I wouldn't say the movies were "ruined," but the overall impact has been lessened by the changes.
It still mystifies me why Lucas just didn't include the original, unaltered versions or sell them separately. All of this outcry and controversy could have been avoided, and he would have gotten even more money from it.
It still mystifies me why Lucas just didn't include the original, unaltered versions or sell them separately. All of this outcry and controversy could have been avoided, and he would have gotten even more money from it.
Honestly no. This isn't as bad as the whole Han shot second thing which rewrote his character. All it did was add a retarded yell from Obi Wan and accentuate Darth Vader's conscience at the end.
Neither were necessary but neither ruined the trilogy. Lucas would really have to take his gloves off to do that. I'm talking complete remake.
Neither were necessary but neither ruined the trilogy. Lucas would really have to take his gloves off to do that. I'm talking complete remake.
I cant believe you like that scene. It completely contradicts Jabba's character as it is established in Jedi. It was meant for when Jabba was originally just a guy with a furry vest but no longer makes sense once hes a giant slug! Not to mention the CG was shoddy the last time I saw it (which was in the dvd releases).Sniper Team 4 said:
If you're not seeing the difference, you need glasses. It's a common misconception that modern movies are higher resolution to begin with than older movies. In fact, film has been higher res than blu-ray since it was first introduced -- and modern films that are shot digitally at 4K res (which is also higher than blu-ray) are still lower res than film. Older films actually have a lot to gain from a transfer to blu-ray, especially when they were visual spectacles to begin with; when I get a blu-ray player, the first thing I'm going to buy is a copy of Blade Runner.Kakulukia said:Come back to us when your VCR decides to keep half the tape when you eject the cassette...Soviet Heavy said:Just because I want to brag some more about my good luck, check out what I found in the basement.
Unaltered, original cuts of the old Trilogy. I don't need a Blu Ray player.
OT: Video quality isn't really an issue when we're talking about movies from 1977-1983. I'd be surprised if there's a perceptible difference between upscaled DVD and BD... there barely is one in modern productions.
I think it is more the fact the changes are just really badly done, not very well thought out and mostly cosmetic.Souplex said:
yeah Star Wars was never perfect, but they really haven't changed much of anything to make it better. So the older generations look at what has changed and just ask, WTF would you do that? it was fine to start with! (in terms of the things they changed) Hence why all the hate...
It would be interesting to see the newer generations who have only known the "new" star wars and show them the old one and ask them if the changes really added anything.
I saw the original Star Wars in the cinema back in 1977 (yep, I'm that old) and I have never and will never sit through any of the 'updated' versions of that movie.
It's not that I'm even much of a Star Wars fan - Empire is overrated (in my eyes); the second half of Jedi sucks and there's about 6 good scenes in the entire prequel trilogy. No, what bugs me about Lucas's perpetual tinkering is that it's fundamentally disrepsectful to cinema history.
Star Wars... it's a masterpiece. It was a sensational hit at the time and it deserved to be. It's a film any director should be legitimately proud of, so why can't he just leave it alone? Why does he feel this insane need to cover it in bad 90s CGI, add stupid visual details that add absolutely bugger all to the movie, and recut one of the best scenes in the entire film, and the defining character moment of Han Solo.
Yeah, I'm talking about 'Han Shot First'. Is it 'unheroic' for Solo to shoot Greedo without warning? Perhaps, but goddamnit, Lucas, Solo's not meant to be a hero. He's the rogue with a heart of gold, but still a rogue, and given that Greedo was about to shoot him, for no reason, and had said so, where's the damn problem?
It's a brilliant moment, got a huge laugh from the audience when I saw it, and it baffles me why they ever took it out.
/rant off
So no, I will not be watching these bastardised cuts of the original films, any more than I'd watch a version of the 1933 King Kong with new CGI effects. Special effects are a minor detail of any film worthy of the name, and apart from anything else it's extremely jarring for me to see visual effects that blatantly were not possible at the time the film was made.
Just stop, Lucas. Leave it alone. if this obsessive rehashing of your one true masterpiece isn't a cynical cash grab then it's starting to look like some sort of mental illness.
It's not that I'm even much of a Star Wars fan - Empire is overrated (in my eyes); the second half of Jedi sucks and there's about 6 good scenes in the entire prequel trilogy. No, what bugs me about Lucas's perpetual tinkering is that it's fundamentally disrepsectful to cinema history.
Star Wars... it's a masterpiece. It was a sensational hit at the time and it deserved to be. It's a film any director should be legitimately proud of, so why can't he just leave it alone? Why does he feel this insane need to cover it in bad 90s CGI, add stupid visual details that add absolutely bugger all to the movie, and recut one of the best scenes in the entire film, and the defining character moment of Han Solo.
Yeah, I'm talking about 'Han Shot First'. Is it 'unheroic' for Solo to shoot Greedo without warning? Perhaps, but goddamnit, Lucas, Solo's not meant to be a hero. He's the rogue with a heart of gold, but still a rogue, and given that Greedo was about to shoot him, for no reason, and had said so, where's the damn problem?
It's a brilliant moment, got a huge laugh from the audience when I saw it, and it baffles me why they ever took it out.
/rant off
So no, I will not be watching these bastardised cuts of the original films, any more than I'd watch a version of the 1933 King Kong with new CGI effects. Special effects are a minor detail of any film worthy of the name, and apart from anything else it's extremely jarring for me to see visual effects that blatantly were not possible at the time the film was made.
Just stop, Lucas. Leave it alone. if this obsessive rehashing of your one true masterpiece isn't a cynical cash grab then it's starting to look like some sort of mental illness.