Watch_Dogs and rape -no spoilers-

[The Almighty Aardvark]

oh the whole dragon's crown debacle, with feminists eager to condemn the oversexualization of female characters in the game, while ignoring that many male charatcers in the game are like 90% pecs

You have won me over with your logic. To convince the rest of those SJW White-knighting nay-sayers we should go out into public and show men this picture:

Spoiler

and women this picture:

Spoiler

Seriously, which video game character has more pec than this guy?

And see how many of each find the pandering directed to their gender sexy. To prove once and for all that those game developers are pandering just as much to their female audiences (Although I don't know why bother, they're all off playing Candy Crush)

Seriously though, however far and between, there are male video game characters designed to look sexy. They're just not the characters that are absolutely rippling with manly muscles. If anything (if these forums are anything to go by) those conform far more to what men think women find sexy than what women actually find sexy. It's completely male idealization all the way. It can make guys feel strong, and like an attractive womanizer without having them feel uncomfortable about identifying with the character.

 

[KingsGambit_v1legacy]

I've seen this first hand now and while I've been very vocal on this site about ubi's horrid mismanagement of this game and all the scandals, this isn't one. At all. Activating the "profiler" just let's the player 'scan' npcs under the reticle and it returns their name, a random fact, their occupation and income. Some can be "hacked"to listen in on their active calls, current text message exchange or retrieve their bank details to draw their money out of an atm.

The random fact is just that, random. It could be anything from"hiv positive" to "donates to right wing extremists", "related to a celebrity", "watches online porn", etc. The calls and texts can be funny, personal or start an investigation into a potential crime. They're intended as a reflection of a living, breathing city with myriad inhabitants from all walks of life.

In a cross section of a random hundred people in the real world, It's almost certain that one or more will have been sexually assaulted, carry an std, be a criminal and so on. The game makes no judgement, there's no social commentary, no respect or disrespect. This is a complete non issue. It's not part of the story and is only there to add a different dimension, namely that the player is a 1337 h4x0r who can access all this personal info.

Personally, if there's any message to be worried here, It's the big brother, personal data, hacker thing. The player is a criminal who accesses sensitive data about everyone, steals from their accounts, steals cars and shoots people. Aeden is an oddly dressed cyber terrorist and the op is offended by the acronym hiv.

 

[Rad Party God]

I'm surprised anyone's making any fuss about having fucked up NPCs on a game that's all about doing "justice" by your own hand.

 

[NuclearKangaroo]

oh the whole dragon's crown debacle, with feminists eager to condemn the oversexualization of female characters in the game, while ignoring that many male charatcers in the game are like 90% pecs

You have won me over with your logic. To convince the rest of those SJW White-knighting nay-sayers we should go out into public and show men this picture:

Spoiler

and women this picture:

Spoiler

Seriously, which video game character has more pec than this guy?

And see how many of each find the pandering directed to their gender sexy. To prove once and for all that those game developers are pandering just as much to their female audiences (Although I don't know why bother, they're all off playing Candy Crush)

Seriously though, however far and between, there are male video game characters designed to look sexy. They're just not the characters that are absolutely rippling with manly muscles. If anything (if these forums are anything to go by) those conform far more to what men think women find sexy than what women actually find sexy. It's completely male idealization all the way. It can make guys feel strong, and like an attractive womanizer without having them feel uncomfortable about identifying with the character.

indeed and while its true to a degree male characters enjoy a wider spectrum of characterization, sometimes appearing as old/ugly/fat characters, most of the time, you either get a rippped kratos or a handsome nathan drake as your main character

its just the way things are, idealization/pandering on both sides

would i like to see better and more original female characters in games? sure, i want to see more and better characters in games, period, this kind of shit however, should not be forced, otherwise you might end up like one of those cringe worthly 90s cartoons, where they find a way to include one character of every nationality, every race and every disability, but they all end up as shallow as a puddle of water

 

[The Almighty Aardvark]

indeed and while its true to a degree male characters enjoy a wider spectrum of characterization, sometimes appearing as old/ugly/fat characters, most of the time, you either get a rippped kratos or a handsome nathan drake as your main character

its just the way things are, idealization/pandering on both sides

would i like to see better and more original female characters in games? sure, i want to see more and better characters in games, period, this kind of shit however, should not be forced, otherwise you might end up like one of those cringe worthly 90s cartoons, where they find a way to include one character of every nationality, every race and every disability, but they all end up as shallow as a puddle of water

I'd disagree that the way that most female characters are portrayed in games could be considered an attempt at idealization. Look at strictly female directed media, how many characters in that do you see dressed like Ivy or the Sorceress? Really, the closest to characters being dressed like that I see in female directed media is male characters in yaoi . A part of media that is entirely based on having sexually attractive men. Which is really saying something. Otome games are also a good place to look for this. Which are games directed towards women about as much as most mainstream games are directed at men.

Most female characters I see in those sort of media are trying to look cute, cool or beautiful. In the same way that male characters in video games will (often) try to look handsome. They're very rarely trying to look the same brand of sexy you see in video games.

Actually, a good example for this that I saw at an anime convention a couple weeks ago was that the most common cosplay being worn was from Attack on Titan, and strictly being worn by women. If you're not familiar with the series, it's a show where the female characters are dressed like this:

Spoiler

She's definitely not ugly, but first and foremost they wanted her to look cool, not sexy

If this shows anything, it's that there's a big demand for female characters that are clothed and competent. Something that could seriously be capitalized by the video game industry if they were prepared to put in more female characters that fit into the idealization category instead of just sexualization. And I'm sure there's plenty of people who want to, it just costs tens of thousands of dollars at minimum to make a game, and those people rarely have that money.

I agree with there being far too many shallow token characters, but that kind of outlines a problem in of itself. Why would so much media be left with all white men (maybe a white woman for a love interest) if they didn't have to force in these characters?

 

[Vareoth]

This is supposed to be disturbing? I am sorry, I was kind of distracted by the game I was just playing where you play as a women who kills her sisters, basically enslaves their disciples just to fuck when she wants to, AND gains powers from bathing in the blood of her enemies. But wait, a randomized NPC has a rape fetish! This is by far the more disturbing of the two. (By the way, the NPCs are RANDOMIZED. So you can get someone who is a pedophile AND a kindergarten teacher.)

wait, what the hell game is that?

Drakengard 3 I think. Haven't played it myself but from what I've seen it's quite weird. Nothing new for that series though.

Heh oh man am I loving drakengard 3 , if you got 3 minutes watch this from 11:30 on to see how bad Zero the main protagonist can be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5oqjVgV03Y This is after the 2nd boss battle.

Wow, she's a total *****. And that dragon sounds a bit too happy about that whole bloody business ^^

I probably should buy it. I do kinda wish this wasn't a prequel. I would've loved to see how they would continue the story from the second part onward.

In any case, I really would have liked seeing an ending in number 2 where Angelus/Caim simply burn that wretched world to ashes in the first place. That would have been a satisfying closure to the series in my opinion.

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Nice first post dogefan. Why are you trying to cause controversy out of nothing, go back to tumblr where this kind of flamebait is acceptable.

Whilst I agree with you, that isn't really a tactful way to start your argument.

 

[verdant monkai]

And even worse, rape is being handled by portraying it as a fetish for women who are larger and don't conform to the beauty standards we have today. The text messages related to the rape references are also disturbingly degrading.

I think its just randomised appearances and fetishes mate, they haven't designed a specific kind of fat woman who likes rape.

Rape is a fact of life. And if you want to make a game that showcases the darker nastier more private parts of human nature. Then sexy pregnant sluts and rape is the sort of thing that is going to pop up.

I'm sorry but being offended by this because its in a game is really just wrong. Would you complain at every film or tv series which features rape? 300 had a rape scene and its considered a great movie by a lot of people. Stop bashing games for trying to cover a wide array of subject matter.

 

[NuclearKangaroo]

indeed and while its true to a degree male characters enjoy a wider spectrum of characterization, sometimes appearing as old/ugly/fat characters, most of the time, you either get a rippped kratos or a handsome nathan drake as your main character

its just the way things are, idealization/pandering on both sides

would i like to see better and more original female characters in games? sure, i want to see more and better characters in games, period, this kind of shit however, should not be forced, otherwise you might end up like one of those cringe worthly 90s cartoons, where they find a way to include one character of every nationality, every race and every disability, but they all end up as shallow as a puddle of water

I'd disagree that the way that most female characters are portrayed in games could be considered an attempt at idealization. Look at strictly female directed media, how many characters in that do you see dressed like Ivy or the Sorceress? Really, the closest to characters being dressed like that I see in female directed media is male characters in yaoi . A part of media that is entirely based on having sexually attractive men. Which is really saying something. Otome games are also a good place to look for this. Which are games directed towards women about as much as most mainstream games are directed at men.

Most female characters I see in those sort of media are trying to look cute, cool or beautiful. In the same way that male characters in video games will (often) try to look handsome. They're very rarely trying to look the same brand of sexy you see in video games.

Actually, a good example for this that I saw at an anime convention a couple weeks ago was that the most common cosplay being worn was from Attack on Titan, and strictly being worn by women. If you're not familiar with the series, it's a show where the female characters are dressed like this:

Spoiler

She's definitely not ugly, but first and foremost they wanted her to look cool, not sexy

If this shows anything, it's that there's a big demand for female characters that are clothed and competent. Something that could seriously be capitalized by the video game industry if they were prepared to put in more female characters that fit into the idealization category instead of just sexualization. And I'm sure there's plenty of people who want to, it just costs tens of thousands of dollars at minimum to make a game, and those people rarely have that money.

I agree with there being far too many shallow token characters, but that kind of outlines a problem in of itself. Why would so much media be left with all white men (maybe a white woman for a love interest) if they didn't have to force in these characters?

im familiar with AOT, but that show has really no pandering or fan service to speak off honestly

anyways like i said previously, if feminists want better female characters in games, maybe they should start making some games, i mean many of those games accused of being sexist are programmed mainly by men, some of them might not even know what sort of character a women might feel confortable controlling, they have also been designing female characters roughtly the same way for the longest time, they might not know better, if they want better female characters, maybe they should step in and show people how is done with an indie game or something like that

 

[The Almighty Aardvark]

im familiar with AOT, but that show has really no pandering or fan service to speak off honestly

anyways like i said previously, if feminists want better female characters in games, maybe they should start making some games, i mean many of those games accused of being sexist are programmed mainly by men, some of them might not even know what sort of character a women might feel confortable controlling, they have also been designing female characters roughtly the same way for the longest time, they might not know better, if they want better female characters, maybe they should step in and show people how is done with an indie game or something like that

Exactly, AoT is a magnificently gender neutral series, which is stupidly hard to find in action anime.

Unfortunately I don't imagine it's so easy as just stepping in and changing the industry. For one, there's not as many female gamers as there are male, and more notably there aren't even close to as many women working in game development as their are men. Probably largely in part to how games are slow to acknowledge that they have a growing female audience, most games are still being made with the assumption that the person playing them is a man.

There's also how many stories of sexism you hear about in gaming. Which, however true, doesn't exactly paint it as a community that would be inviting to you to be a part of, let alone work in. Then lastly there's the fact that complaining about female characters in games, or wanting more female characters to play as will get you labeled as a hostile feminist or sjw trying to push your agenda and censor the media.

As much as I agree that a better gender balance in game development would lead to better written and designed characters, there's a lot more reason not to enter the industry as a woman than there is as a man. And at that point it becomes a negative feedback cycle: Fewer women making games -> More games made just for men -> Fewer women interested in games -> Fewer women making games -> ...

Plus not everyone who enjoys games wants to make it their career, or that you'd be competent at it. It pretty much boils down the argument against critics that they shouldn't criticize it unless they could do better

 

[Elvis Starburst]

This is supposed to be disturbing? I am sorry, I was kind of distracted by the game I was just playing where you play as a women who kills her sisters, basically enslaves their disciples just to fuck when she wants to, AND gains powers from bathing in the blood of her enemies. But wait, a randomized NPC has a rape fetish! This is by far the more disturbing of the two. (By the way, the NPCs are RANDOMIZED. So you can get someone who is a pedophile AND a kindergarten teacher.)

OH MY LORD!!! Why oh why would a mature game EVER involve mature content past shooting people and having half naked chicks?! Oh woe is me for the state of the gaming industry!! Join me as I sob into my copy of Dora and the Crystal Kingdom and weep for the rest of the world...! (But not really. I feel like crap for having to look that up XD)

OT: ... Cmon, really? Random NPC generator, awesome, I like it. Second of all, why does it really matter if this is a thing? Like others have said, it's a mature game meant to be taking place in a mature world. This is going to be a thing, somewhere, somehow. Even in GTA, you can bet your ass that stuff happens. The game just never mentions it or shows you anything about it. Not even the word itself.

I can understand why people might be sensitive to the topic, but at the same time, this is info on a game clearly for 17+. Can we stop pretending it's gonna be as simple as some other M rated games that don't have much else to the world besides shooting shit? Or as simple as any other M rated game only rated M for the fact it has violence and a few people yelling "FUCK" as loud as they could? Duke Nukem Forever had the highest number of things that made it an M-rated game I've ever seen. This is hardly worse than that. Then again, not much was worse than DNF.

 

[NuclearKangaroo]

im familiar with AOT, but that show has really no pandering or fan service to speak off honestly

anyways like i said previously, if feminists want better female characters in games, maybe they should start making some games, i mean many of those games accused of being sexist are programmed mainly by men, some of them might not even know what sort of character a women might feel confortable controlling, they have also been designing female characters roughtly the same way for the longest time, they might not know better, if they want better female characters, maybe they should step in and show people how is done with an indie game or something like that

Exactly, AoT is a magnificently gender neutral series, which is stupidly hard to find in action anime.

Unfortunately I don't imagine it's so easy as just stepping in and changing the industry. For one, there's not as many female gamers as there are male, and more notably there aren't even close to as many women working in game development as their are men. Probably largely in part to how games are slow to acknowledge that they have a growing female audience, most games are still being made with the assumption that the person playing them is a man.

There's also how many stories of sexism you hear about in gaming. Which, however true, doesn't exactly paint it as a community that would be inviting to you to be a part of, let alone work in. Then lastly there's the fact that complaining about female characters in games, or wanting more female characters to play as will get you labeled as a hostile feminist or sjw trying to push your agenda and censor the media.

As much as I agree that a better gender balance in game development would lead to better written and designed characters, there's a lot more reason not to enter the industry as a woman than there is as a man. And at that point it becomes a negative feedback cycle: Fewer women making games -> More games made just for men -> Fewer women interested in games -> Fewer women making games -> ...

Plus not everyone who enjoys games wants to make it their career, or that you'd be competent at it. It pretty much boils down the argument against critics that they shouldn't criticize it unless they could do better

no, you get blamed of being a sjw if you try to enforce female characters into games, if you complain over the most meaningless things because it affects your feelings, in general, a sjw simply wants to change things according to his morals without caring for everybody else

also i think you are overstating AoT importance, there are many gender neutral animes out there, im not even a huge fan and i can see that, for instance kill la kill, yes that show has tons of fan service, but it has both female and male fan service

 

[The Almighty Aardvark]

no, you get blamed of being a sjw if you try to enforce female characters into games, if you complain over the most meaningless things because it affects your feelings, in general, a sjw simply wants to change things according to his morals without caring for everybody else

also i think you are overstating AoT importance, there are many gender neutral animes out there, im not even a huge fan and i can see that, for instance kill la kill, yes that show has tons of fan service, but it has both female and male fan service

I'm not buying that. Every time I see a thread on this site complaining about something relating to gender, without fail someone calls the OP a radical feminist, trying to censor the media, and whatnot. People complaining about feminism and with amazing regularity bringing up Anita Sarkeesian as if she were the epitome of all that's wrong with the world (No, I have no interest in talking about her).

It's a reasonable complaint to be disappointed with female characters in games and want better. I'm a guy, and I want it if for no more reason than having some more variety. Nobody's demanding anything, but it's always interpreted as that when it comes to gender, race, or being inclusive of audiences.

If I were to complain about how few sci-fi games were released compared to fantasy ones, and voice my desire to see more good sci-fi games nobody would bat an eye. Nobody would tell me that I should stop complaining and make these games myself.

As for AoT I was talking specifically about action anime. I haven't watched that much anime lately, but in most action anime I've found most female characters to be utterly incompetent compared to the male characters and can't think of many at all with equal fanservice

 

[NuclearKangaroo]

no, you get blamed of being a sjw if you try to enforce female characters into games, if you complain over the most meaningless things because it affects your feelings, in general, a sjw simply wants to change things according to his morals without caring for everybody else

also i think you are overstating AoT importance, there are many gender neutral animes out there, im not even a huge fan and i can see that, for instance kill la kill, yes that show has tons of fan service, but it has both female and male fan service

I'm not buying that. Every time I see a thread on this site complaining about something relating to gender, without fail someone calls the OP a radical feminist, trying to censor the media, and whatnot. People complaining about feminism and with amazing regularity bringing up Anita Sarkeesian as if she were the epitome of all that's wrong with the world (No, I have no interest in talking about her).

It's a reasonable complaint to be disappointed with female characters in games and want better. I'm a guy, and I want it if for no more reason than having some more variety. Nobody's demanding anything, but it's always interpreted as that when it comes to gender, race, or being inclusive of audiences.

If I were to complain about how few sci-fi games were released compared to fantasy ones, and voice my desire to see more good sci-fi games nobody would bat an eye. Nobody would tell me that I should stop complaining and make these games myself.

As for AoT I was talking specifically about action anime. I haven't watched that much anime lately, but in most action anime I've found most female characters to be utterly incompetent compared to the male characters and can't think of many at all with equal fanservice

the problem is that recently feminism has gotten some bad rep because honestly, a lot of feminists are simply anti-men, the name itself doesnt make sense, why call it feminism? isnt the objective to treat both genders equally? why not call themselves equalitarian?

not to mention feminism when it comes to gaming has seem some stupid shit, anita isnt really the only thing thats wrong with feminism when it comes to gaming, theres the dragon crowns debacle, people critizing gone home being accused of sexism, etc

 

[rbstewart7263]

no, you get blamed of being a sjw if you try to enforce female characters into games, if you complain over the most meaningless things because it affects your feelings, in general, a sjw simply wants to change things according to his morals without caring for everybody else

also i think you are overstating AoT importance, there are many gender neutral animes out there, im not even a huge fan and i can see that, for instance kill la kill, yes that show has tons of fan service, but it has both female and male fan service

I'm not buying that. Every time I see a thread on this site complaining about something relating to gender, without fail someone calls the OP a radical feminist, trying to censor the media, and whatnot. People complaining about feminism and with amazing regularity bringing up Anita Sarkeesian as if she were the epitome of all that's wrong with the world (No, I have no interest in talking about her).

It's a reasonable complaint to be disappointed with female characters in games and want better. I'm a guy, and I want it if for no more reason than having some more variety. Nobody's demanding anything, but it's always interpreted as that when it comes to gender, race, or being inclusive of audiences.

If I were to complain about how few sci-fi games were released compared to fantasy ones, and voice my desire to see more good sci-fi games nobody would bat an eye. Nobody would tell me that I should stop complaining and make these games myself.

As for AoT I was talking specifically about action anime. I haven't watched that much anime lately, but in most action anime I've found most female characters to be utterly incompetent compared to the male characters and can't think of many at all with equal fanservice

the problem is that recently feminism has gotten some bad rep because honestly, a lot of feminists are simply anti-men, the name itself doesnt make sense, why call it feminism? isnt the objective to treat both genders equally? why not call themselves equalitarian?

not to mention feminism when it comes to gaming has seem some stupid shit, anita isnt really the only thing thats wrong with feminism when it comes to gaming, theres the dragon crowns debacle, people critizing gone home being accused of sexism, etc

Wha what! why was gone home accused. what! I dont even.

also to the poster above who posted that drakengard 3 vid I want to play the shit out of that game now.

Also I want to play this game now. Thinking of what I could do to some hiv donors.....

 

[NuclearKangaroo]

Wha what! why was gone home accused. what! I dont even.

also to the poster above who posted that drakengard 3 vid I want to play the shit out of that game now.

Also I want to play this game now. Thinking of what I could do to some hiv donors.....

yes from what ive heard, often people who legitimately critized the game were acussed of being sexist

 

[Something Amyss]

And I don't get how someone being HIV positive is considered a joke.

I get where they're coming from. They're treating it like you see "blood donor" then "HIV positive" and think "rimshot."

I just don't look at it that way. This is a real world thing that happens, and there's nothing that says it's advocacy. It looks like the whole point of spying on random people is that they're secretly not as good as their public personas. Not to mention they claim the data is random. Now, maybe that's a lie, or maybe it's just inaccurate, buuuuuuuuuuut....

Quelle surprise that we have people who look for porn on their phone and HIV positive blood donors, eh?

Only time I saw this being laughed at was during that E3 presentation. If that's what the OP's referring to, it's not really Ubisoft's fault that the crowd is immature.

I wasn't even aware of that much.

And also, yeah, a women who's not conventionally attractive searching "rape" a lot must totally mean she wants it. Like, totally. How else would she get laid, amirite bro?!

Well, why else would she be searching the web about rape? Couldn't be she was a rape victim herself, or knew someone who was, or was worried about being one.

dont get me wrong, my problem is that they arent even trying, i dont think ive seen a very successful indie game that challenges the current portrayal of women in video games, except maybe transistor, and that one wasnt made by feminists

And exactly how much "research" have you done on this?

Also, I'm really curious about how one gets around the skill set issue.

then you have the arguments of people like anita sarkeesian, high profile feminism and internet hate sponge, criticizing games like rogue legacy because they dare put a bow in female playable characters, completely ignoring the fact that game revels in its ridiculousness,

Well, it revels in ridiculousness? That changes everything! Clearly they don't know this, or they wouldn't be bothered.

Or maybe the level of ridiculousness won't change anything in their mind. The "of course it's sexist, it's supposed to be" doesn't work in any of its variants. More to the point, when your satire looks identical to everything else, it's hard to actually view it as satire.

But even more to the point, I didn't see Anita Sarkeesian criticise the game because of it. I saw her use the example as an indication of a larger trend. Like many complaints about She Who Must Not Be Named, it seems like when she didn't outright attack something, people decided to make her do it by adding things like a malicious game of telephone.

i mean its almost like anita saskatchewan doesnt even play video g-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcPIu3sDkEw

oh

Come now, we can rise above this intellectually dishonest tripe.

oh the whole dragon's crown debacle, with feminists eager to condemn the oversexualization of female characters in the game, while ignoring that many male charatcers in the game are like 90% pecs

Oh.

Well, I mean, they're totally the same thing. I mean, that's how women sexualise men. Except it tends not to be, so that looks less like a legit reason and more like false equivalence. "Men are sexualised, too" is a bottom-of-the-barrel excuse.

And, I mean, it's not like the response was overplayed or anything. Except it was. I mean, people made it out like the Polygon and Escapist reviews went on about it to no end, in an attempt to have some reason to whine about the big bad feminists. I mean, we have a fairly recent example of the same in the Mario Kart review. It started off with someone asking why there wasn't more diversity in Mario games, but once the Anti-SJW crowd got ahold of it it was some PC police dictator calling Nintendo racist and forcing Nintendo to change their ways.

It's almost the like the actual content of the issue, review or complaint is completely irrelevant.

many more things can be accomplished by actively trying to change things, than by merely complaining about the way things are

Complaining about things is a way of changing the way things are. So now that we've dealt with that false distinction, what's the real problem?

 

[NuclearKangaroo]

dont get me wrong, my problem is that they arent even trying, i dont think ive seen a very successful indie game that challenges the current portrayal of women in video games, except maybe transistor, and that one wasnt made by feminists

And exactly how much "research" have you done on this?

Also, I'm really curious about how one gets around the skill set issue.

ugh, freakin' learning how to make games?

you know im doing exactly that, ive already made some game prototypes in the past, and with tools like gamemaker and flash, and digital distribution platforms like steam and gog.com is relatively easy to make and distribute games nowadays, it just requires EFFORT

also im studing software engineering and there are roughtly an equal amount of men and women studying at my college, in short, lack of female professionals is not an excuse, lack of skill is not an excuse, just acquire the skill, study and do something productive instead of simply complaining

then you have the arguments of people like anita sarkeesian, high profile feminism and internet hate sponge, criticizing games like rogue legacy because they dare put a bow in female playable characters, completely ignoring the fact that game revels in its ridiculousness,

Well, it revels in ridiculousness? That changes everything! Clearly they don't know this, or they wouldn't be bothered.

Or maybe the level of ridiculousness won't change anything in their mind. The "of course it's sexist, it's supposed to be" doesn't work in any of its variants. More to the point, when your satire looks identical to everything else, it's hard to actually view it as satire.

But even more to the point, I didn't see Anita Sarkeesian criticise the game because of it. I saw her use the example as an indication of a larger trend. Like many complaints about She Who Must Not Be Named, it seems like when she didn't outright attack something, people decided to make her do it by adding things like a malicious game of telephone.

yes it changes everything, the game is literally worse if my female archmage isnt wearing a bow on her head while also having a huge bear on her face, is less funny. plus it makes it much harder to tell when a character is female, i literally hadnt noticed the breasts on the female armor until anita mentioned it

also, how is a freakin' bow sexist? is female clothing, is like saying skirts are sexist, fucking ridiculous

anita is a scam, she doesnt like video agmes, she doesnt play video games, and she barely understands the games she criticises, she only understands em enough to make some short sighted criticism, but not well enough to form a proper critique

she argues video games can reinforce negative stereotypes about women, the problem with this reasoning, is that she implies people cant tell the difference between a video game and real life, you know, the same argument people who argue games are the source of mass shooting use

finally some games are designed for men, and to accuse them of being sexist is like saying victoria's secret is sexist for not making men underwear

i mean its almost like anita saskatchewan doesnt even play video g-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcPIu3sDkEw

oh

Come now, we can rise above this intellectually dishonest tripe.

but its true, she said that, she has been caught lying over and over again and making inconsistent arguments

im all for better female characters in video games, simply because i want to see BETTER CHARACTERS, period. not because i believe games should have one of each character archetypes just to not offend anybody. i also think is extremely dishonest how when this discussion comes around people talk about scantily clothed, disproportionate female characters, but often dont talk about muscular giantic male characters

oh the whole dragon's crown debacle, with feminists eager to condemn the oversexualization of female characters in the game, while ignoring that many male charatcers in the game are like 90% pecs

Oh.

Well, I mean, they're totally the same thing. I mean, that's how women sexualise men. Except it tends not to be, so that looks less like a legit reason and more like false equivalence. "Men are sexualised, too" is a bottom-of-the-barrel excuse.

And, I mean, it's not like the response was overplayed or anything. Except it was. I mean, people made it out like the Polygon and Escapist reviews went on about it to no end, in an attempt to have some reason to whine about the big bad feminists. I mean, we have a fairly recent example of the same in the Mario Kart review. It started off with someone asking why there wasn't more diversity in Mario games, but once the Anti-SJW crowd got ahold of it it was some PC police dictator calling Nintendo racist and forcing Nintendo to change their ways.

It's almost the like the actual content of the issue, review or complaint is completely irrelevant.

thats like if i argued i wasnt sexually attracted to the witch in dragon's crown and therefore the game is not sexualized

some men dont like humongous, disproportionate tits

some women dont like muscular men

thats a moot point, dragon's crown art design focused on exaggerating the sexual attributes of some of the characters

many more things can be accomplished by actively trying to change things, than by merely complaining about the way things are

Complaining about things is a way of changing the way things are. So now that we've dealt with that false distinction, what's the real problem?

allow me to share my opinion here

complaining is a half-assed way of changing things if you have other alternatives

it takes less effort, is less inventive and you rely on the opposing party's weakness rather than on your own strength