Verlander said:
Yeah, like the black guy that Fox News wheels out to tell other black people that they're lazy and should work harder. Everyone likes one of the other guys turning coat.
You'll have to forgive me for not being aware of their tokenism but I don't spend my time caring what Fox News has to say or does unless I get to watch a grown man cry about how much he "luvs 'muricka". But let's run with your example to try and draw out a little bit of honest social commentary here. There are a few practices in the black community that are particularly and overtly harmful for them that proponents of the black community like Bill Cosby are currently trying to repair. For example, there is currently something defined as an epidemic of black males not attending college despite black female attendance increasing steadily and also despite available scholarship opportunities for black males to afford college. This is a cultural problem and not a racial problem (in that they are being encouraged not to go to school or being discouraged from going to school by their culture rather than any internal racial difference). So if a black guy were to stand up and say, "Hey, stop dropping out of school" then they wouldn't be turn-coats, they would be positive forces within their community trying to improve their standing in society. This is the same as when Bill Cosby comes out against another cultural phenomenon encouraging having multiple children by multiple women and depriving all those children with a stable two-parent home. As a chairman of a social awareness committee I was frequently asked to set up discussion boards on social issues that the school population should be aware of. One such time the discussion board I was asked to set up was to discuss the whole non-college attending issue. Black females are having to work harder on two fronts. As single parents and/or as the only/main household contributor as the most educated adult. This is a cultural issue that can be fixed but is a topic often avoided because it is automatically translated into it being a problem with black people which isn't the case. Though, I'll certainly admit that the racist community does use these problems as proof of inferiority, which is likely why people who bring the problems up with noble intentions are still demonized.
Ignoring real cultural issues for the fear of it turning into something race specific is harmful to society. I can't say anything for Fox's intentions as I fully believe them to have an oppressive agenda aimed at one extreme side of the equation rather than the majority of us (Americans) who are likely more in the middle. But I can say that a lot of societies and cultures have serious problems that should be safe to discuss without it being turned into something it isn't. The cultures that are more open to discussing real problems are the ones that will be able to mitigate the damage those issues inflict.
Unfortunately, anyone acknowledging a cultural issue is automatically categorized as a bigot or turn coat regardless of their point or intention. I would personally call this automatic categorization racist itself. Bill Cosby's most frequent criticism is purely his public acknowledgement of the issues rather than issue rebuttal (they aren't saying he's wrong, just that he shouldn't talk about it). But staying silent on such important topics will be far more harmful to society in the long run than people hearing that some communities harbor disadvantageous practices. If they are real (and the numbers indicate that they are), then maybe people should be embarrassed by them enough to enact change. White communities should be embarrassed when racist practices are revealed and black communities should be embarrassed when data that harms women and children is revealed. It should not be to shame them for being white or black. But to shine light on the problem and motivate them to enact change because it isn't tied to their race but to their culture. I suspect that me discussing this intellectually will also be ill-received as bigotry or whatever. That something I clearly defined as a statistically provable culture-based issue will somehow be turned into an anti-race comment. Maybe you'll imagine my comments as saying that one race is better than another when I believe in equality of races. But honestly, I'd far rather we all were able to overcome the hindrances put in our way by our peers to become the best people we can be. The first step is becoming aware of those obstacles and you don't become aware of them if no one talks about it. Pretending like our shit don't stink is a foolish endeavor.
Now, if the Fox guy says that black people are lazy because they are black? Sure, he's a turn coat/bigot/racist whatever. If he says there's a problem with members of the black community deferring to live off of the system rather than enter the workforce to better their position in society because it's easier for them to do? If there really is data to indicate the existence of such a problem then he's anything but as then his intention is to call people out of socially driven complacency which is a noble goal even if it hurts our ears to hear. Though, Fox and cherry picking study results is a lot like fat kids and eating cake instead of veggies. It happens all the time, that's why they're fat/fox. So any 'data' from them to indicate a problem actually existing is highly suspect.
Honestly, I personally assume that these problems plague poor communities in general. I'd wager that the wage gap is more responsible for these specific differences than anything else. I wouldn't be surprised if black and white neighbors living side by side of the same poverty level would express the same propensity to take advantage of the system which in turn would result in low motivation to pursue legitimate careers. The issue there is that the black community is also often much poorer so it may be mistakingly viewed as race-based rather than wealth-level based or class based. Though, I'm not sure you can easily divorce that component from the overall culture if the overall culture suffers from it at disproportionate levels. I still think that poverty is the absolute largest contributor to the problem and right now with poverty begetting poverty we've got a snake eating its own tail problem.
Talking about it to educate people on the issue is the only tool we have. No one is going to legislate cultural changes, only the members of the culture can spearhead changes of belief.
The people who are labelled SJWs are labelled as such not because they personally gain from it, but because people don't like criticism. While extreme feminists exist in the tiniest minority, any woman who talks about equality is labelled as a "feminazi", a ridiculous turn of phrase if there ever was one.
I disagree. And an internet of definitions also disagrees.
Feminazi is used to describe an extreme or militant feminist. That people misuse the term is little more than an indictment of public education system. Go ahead, type in "Feminazi Definition" in your google-box and see what you get.
noun - a radical feminist.
Not someone who 'talks about it' or any feminist. Sorry, but that's you projecting your own view of a word onto it's definition. But I don't blame you as I have heard people throw feminazi at anyone in the way you mentioned. Still doesn't make it correct usage.
As for SJW, it isn't so authoritatively defined. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=social+justice+warrior
Urban dictionary describes it as a person who uses social justice issues to elevate themselves. It has an element of making a poor argument as questions actual belief in what they're saying without outright denying that they can believe in it.
If you want to redefine the terms then by all means go out and do so. But I'm going to take the general consensus over any claims you can make.
I have also seen SJW defined by SJWs as just someone who fights for social justice. However, we are discussing the use of the term by people who use it pejoratively. While I'm sure assholes exist who think fighting for social justice in general is bad, the majority of definitions of the term indicate that SJWs as defined pejoratively are extreme and often insincere.
All of these terms are used to discredit, same as "notmyshield" because there's no legitimate argument against inclusion, and so it resorts to name calling pretty quickly. And the cartoon? It exists to troll someone, nothing more. It appears as the avatar now among some of the more misogynist or generally unpleasant people posting on this forum. I 'spose I should be happy that they're identifying themselves up front now.
The cartoon? You mean Vivian? The character created as a result of supporting a female game jam charity?
These people are really bad at trolling. I wish they would line my pockets with money to troll me. I'd let them make a cartoon too. Haha, what a weird world it'd be where people troll causes by supporting them.
Let me be clear. Those 4chan people are trolling Zoe and/or SJWs in general. They are not trolling actual and legitimate female or feminist causes. There is a huge difference between trolling pushes for equality and trolling pushes for elitist bullshit that demonizes huge masses of people including attempts to disenfranchise the majority under the guise of equality. Guise being the key word there.