We Can All Relate To Spielberg's Robot Apocalypse Film

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SL33TBL1ND

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Hal10k said:
SL33TBL1ND said:
Hal10k said:
ThunderCavalier said:
One of these days, we need to develop a future where our people are both smart enough to make AI that advanced and smarter still to either make sure it doesn't succeed human intelligent or just outright make a killswitch that can't be turned off that'll kill the robots in case something goes horribly wrong (like they always will).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I,_Robot

It's been done. And even 72 years on, Asimov still hasn't managed to completely rid the world of paranoiacs.
I always love it when someone links this as opposed to that atrocious movie "adaptation".
I think it's a decent movie in its own right (horribly offensive as an adaptation), but it's rather telling that the producers decided it was "inspired by" the book because they felt too guilty to actually call it an adaptation.
That may actually be my favourite thing about the movie, besides maybe Alan Tudyk.
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
You ever notice how much of the popular "science fiction" is all about how dangerous, bad, or outright EVIL science is?
To be fair, it is. (Dangerous, anyway) Humans tend to weaponize...well...everything they can get their grubby hands on. Dynamite! Meant to make it easier and safer to bore out tunnels in mountains, and we saw how that turned out. (Bombs and bombs and bombs...'course, I'm not suggesting that dynamite was the first explosive ever made, but it's development certainly didn't help...)

Then we make crazy stupid things like Nitrogen bombs and synthesize viruses that can wipe out half the planet if it manages to escape into the wild.

The militaries of the world need to step back and ask 'Do we need to continue developing better weapons; even though some of our current weapons can end the planet ten times over?' The answer is 'No'. And then we probably won't have to worry about armies of killbots armed to the synthetic teeth with laz0rs and missiles. Missiles everywhere.
 

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ThunderCavalier said:
One of these days, we need to develop a future where our people are both smart enough to make AI that advanced and smarter still to either make sure it doesn't succeed human intelligent or just outright make a killswitch that can't be turned off that'll kill the robots in case something goes horribly wrong (like they always will).
Yeah, but if we did that it wouldn't make a very interesting movie.
 

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If he's directing it then its going to make money. Doesn't matter what the movie is about. (Man I feel so jaded now, I have to go out and do something totally awesome, like wrestle a bear).
 

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It's Steven Spielberg, I have faith. This does make me want to read the book though and I suggest some of you guys do so too before smacking it down.
 

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Kopikatsu said:
To be fair, it is. (Dangerous, anyway) Humans tend to weaponize...well...everything they can get their grubby hands on. Dynamite! Meant to make it easier and safer to bore out tunnels in mountains, and we saw how that turned out. (Bombs and bombs and bombs...'course, I'm not suggesting that dynamite was the first explosive ever made, but it's development certainly didn't help...)

Then we make crazy stupid things like Nitrogen bombs and synthesize viruses that can wipe out half the planet if it manages to escape into the wild.

The militaries of the world need to step back and ask 'Do we need to continue developing better weapons; even though some of our current weapons can end the planet ten times over?' The answer is 'No'. And then we probably won't have to worry about armies of killbots armed to the synthetic teeth with laz0rs and missiles. Missiles everywhere.
These are all themes of "Man is evil," not "science is evil." Sci-Fi FREQUENTLY takes an altruistic idea and corrupts it of its own accord, absolving man of most or all sins, as he is left to marvel at the horrors of technology. Granted, not all of them are necessarily GOOD ideas, but even Jurassic Park with the idea of raising dinosaurs for fun and profit was raised, the message was NATURE FINDS A WAY HUR HURRRRRR....

Yeah, just like nature allowed the dinosaurs to survive extinction, Jeff Goldbum's character whose name I never remember. Oh, right.

The problem isn't "People weaponised it, now it's bad." The problem is "technology run amok."
 

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Blind Sight said:
Guys, Robopocalypse is not some fear-mongering nonsense. The novel is written by a real scientist who works in robotics. Rather then being Terminator-lite, the novel deals with what he sees as the future of numerous robotics projects going on today. Instead of some 'science is evil' or 'humans treat robots as slaves and they rebel' story it has to do with an almost virus-like AI that overwrites the programming of many automated systems worldwide because its trying to prevent its own destruction. Despite its silly title the novel is actually an interesting look into a more serious version of the 'robot rebellion' trope. Please actually do some research before pulling out your 'oh it's all about how science is evil' comments.
Yes, because movies are normally so faithful to the books.
 

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canadamus_prime said:
ThunderCavalier said:
One of these days, we need to develop a future where our people are both smart enough to make AI that advanced and smarter still to either make sure it doesn't succeed human intelligent or just outright make a killswitch that can't be turned off that'll kill the robots in case something goes horribly wrong (like they always will).
Yeah, but if we did that it wouldn't make a very interesting movie.
Damn you suspense and entertainment! One of these days, you'll be the death of humanity!
 

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Hal10k said:
Blind Sight said:
Guys, Robopocalypse is not some fear-mongering nonsense. The novel is written by a real scientist who works in robotics. Rather then being Terminator-lite, the novel deals with what he sees as the future of numerous robotics projects going on today. Instead of some 'science is evil' or 'humans treat robots as slaves and they rebel' story it has to do with an almost virus-like AI that overwrites the programming of many automated systems worldwide because its trying to prevent its own destruction. Despite its silly title the novel is actually an interesting look into a more serious version of the 'robot rebellion' trope. Please actually do some research before pulling out your 'oh it's all about how science is evil' comments.
I like Daniel Wilson, but the book still suffers from the typical problems that underline this type of story. First and foremost is the fact that a supposedly rational AI decides that if a small group of people mention the possibility of its destruction, it has to kill everyone else first. That's sort of like saying "My boss threatened to lay me off. I should bomb the building!" It isn't helping the matter, and more importantly, it's just plain ineffecient.
Yeah, I'd agree that it's the weakest part of the novel, mostly because it's clear case of 'the plot says so'. Still, the novel is pretty effective at not demonizing robotics and I think that can be effectively conveyed in film. My comment was more in response to the hyper-cynicism towards a few basic comments by Spielberg (who isn't necessary saying science is evil, rather, that it has inherent side-effects on society that may not be positive). I see no examples of him saying that this is necessary bad, just that there are consequences to scientific advancement. I mean, he already touched on this in 'A.I.' and that movie hardly portrayed science as evil, it was more about concerns over the Uncanny Valley and what it meant to be human. Consequences do not equal a condemnation of science on principle. Hence I feel most people are just putting words into his mouth.
 
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Yoshisummons said:
Relevant my ass, if the first successful text in the western world was a robot being a altruistic superhero. It would ruin the running gag in the western world of the perception of the development of robots leading to the robot-apocalypse.
That would be an awesome concept.

Robot sees that the world is corrupted.
Robot goes rogue, blows tons of shit up, exposes villains.
Robot realizes that he's done enough, and now humanity can fix the rest itself, since most of the corrupt assholes are gone.
Robot smiles and lets the human military kill him, giving them the feeling of victory.

Yeah...That could actually be really good.
 

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I prefer Issac Asimovs vision of robots in the future.

They did exactly what they were programed to.

A shame that the movie I, Robot took a massive crap on his concepts, especially when the book outright states that a scenario like what happened in the movie could never happen.
 

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Raiyan 1.0 said:
It'll be interesting as long as the robots are assholes with a great sense of humor.
I wish this was a movie about Bender...er, or rather they take this opportunity for Spielberg and Cameron to team up and actually give us the real War of the Machines apocalypse Terminator was promising us. I'd go see that film, not whatever this is. I *may* watch it on DVD...
 

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A movie about a robot apocalypse called Robopocalypse? That's almost as stupid as making a movie about cowboys fighting against aliens and calling it "Cowboys and Aliens".
Wait...
 

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Robots would just create a super toxin and kill everyone. They wouldn't need to worry about the biological effects to the ecosystem.

Then again, why would a sophisticated digital intelligence need a physical body? If the intelligence was smarter than we were, then it would be able to organically move in between systems at will, being everywhere and nowhere all at the same time. As long as it's existence wasn't threatened then why would it have a need to destroy humans anyway?

To me the only real danger is that which we create in our minds. If humans paranoia turns an advanced AI into an enemy so that we try to destroy it, then we're screwed, because we won't win that war.