We hates it, precious!

[shadow skill]

If anything there isn't enough hate for the right things. I'm tired of control schemes that seem to expect that the player has three to four arms because they want to map the most useful actions in a way that they can never be properly utilized because there is absolutely no way in hell a normal human being can even reach the fucking buttons. The incompetence of developers never ceases to amaze me because most control problems can be diagnosed without even playing the game in about five seconds if they would just look at the goddamn controller.

There is alot of hate for stupid stuff though, like a few jaggies, slight colour differences, that sort of thing. People also don't get that you can hate parts of a game without hating the whole thing at least sometimes. For example I hate the way southpaw works in COD 4 (It's the same in a boatload of other first person games so its not a unique problem.) in fact it's actually painful for me to even play the game for any extended period of time because of the fucked up nature of the controls, but the game is still fun. I would like the game more if it did not hurt to play it though.

 

[videot76]

I kinda really liked NWN2, and to keep the feeling up I simply did not use the characters I hated (Grobnar mostly, and also pretty much everyone else except Neeshka, Khelgar and Sand. The characters suck pretty bad.) I was having a merry old time, and then Chapter 3 hit...also known as "the point where the developers ran out of time and money". It was noticeable shorter and worse in all kinds of ways, but the worst was yet to come:
The ending. I was seething with rage afterwards and was so upset I had trouble falling asleep that night. Even Fallout 3's ending was better than that one, and I hated Fallout 3's ending with a passion.

THAT is why I will never touch NWN2 again, and never try any of the expansions. Doing a thing like that to the player WILL generate a lot of hate, especially if the game had been enjoyable.

 

[Hunde Des Krieg]

I tend to avoid starting threads, because they have pretty much all without exception, failed miserably and served only to make me look like a fool. While this probably is no different, I have regained the levels of optimistic naivety to throw myself at the mercy of you evil internet hounds. So here we go.

I have something of a question. Why is it, that there doesn't seem to be a new game out there that most people don't seem to hate? Forgive the hyperbole, but I am getting a distinctly negative vibe from the gaming community as a whole about pretty much everything.

I shall tell you something. I loved Neverwinter Nights 2. But I've heard so much crap that it isn't a worthy game and is rubbish compared to the original. Now, personally, weighing it up, I think that's a really unfair comment, and NWN 2 is more than a worthy successor. But no, the internets tell me. It is bad. Halo 3? I liked it. I loved both the fables. Mass effect seemed to me to be unholy in its quality. I even thought Crysis was great fun!

I even remember, in the ye olde days of yore, when the original Xbox was but a youngling, playing a game called fireblade. Everyone seemed to hate it, but not me!

Ah, but a little irritatingly logically self deprecating voice tells me, Occam's razor tells you that you're just easy to please! And this is quite likely, but I still think there's either something here I've missed, or when I wasn't looking we all became massively nostalgic about past games and wildly cynical about current ones. So which is it? Am I just easy to please, or are there others out there equally baffled by the degree of hate out there for every game and its dog?

And seriously, if anyone can explain the hate for NWN 2, that'd be nice. I understand the complaints for all the other games, but that one still mystifies me.

I maintain that the reason everyone seems to hate all the new games and stuff is a combination of a nostalgiac superiority complex, if you will, and the fact that hating new stuff is trendy.

 

[GenHellspawn]

I feel your pain, me amigo. Whenever I tell somebody I didn't like Portal, Fallout 3, or OoT, they go apeshit and run away from the dissenting voice right away.

 

[DrHobo]

Games are bigger business now, and more and more companies have to embrace business models, processes, KPi's blah blah. Basically all the corp sh!t that stifles the creativity of the great but guarentees us well rendered mediocrity time and time again

Ask ANY game designer worth his lunchbox and I think they will tell you they would love to be more innovative and less systematic, but thats the reality we live in

I'm not saying that creativity doesn't exist, or their aren't great games out there, but the simple truth is that for companies to stay afloat taking perceived risky gambles on new and amazing ideas is not always good business.

Look at something like mount and blade, 5 years in development by a very small team, and now that they have basically ironed out a workable mounted combat system, how long till some coprorate giant devours it into their latest space marine on horseback testosterone fest.

In the past games had heart and art, but lacked in design

Right now Games have great design, and pull us along well through manipulations of known quantities (boys what to shoot things and have big guns, kids like bright colours and cute animals, people will pay money to make large breasted women fight each other) but lack art and heart.

I think that is where alot of this negativity is coming from, I won't say 'hardcore gamers' but rather experienced gamers are not being catered to... The innovation seems to tend towards the guitar hero and Wii crowd (not a bad thing) While experienced gamers are basically receiving rewrites of Doom and C&C (or wolfenstein and Dune) with updated graphics and streamlined feature sets, and we know it.

Higher polygon count does not make a better game.

For example, its not that Oblivion is a good/bad game, its more that its was con, 90%+ for a feature light version of Morrowind with better graphics. And when the experienced gamer is time and time again let down by the next big, overhyped, muscle-of-a-thing that in reality is just the prettier daughter of the previous next-big-thing we can get pretty fucking cynical

 

[vxicepickxv]

Complaints about NWN2:
The camera S-U-C-K-S
Takes up alot more resources than it should
Dumb A.I

Online Module requirements for playing the game are horrible. A third party has finally developed a program to get very large files from the game host to run on their individual server until it is updated, even if they didn't add new graphics images.

If you try to play on two different worlds, you has best hope they have the same versions of their .hak files if they have the same name, otherwise all kinds of bad things can happen, like corruption of server files and the like.

Plus the maximum size you can get for a host server creation is the same size as the original NWN, even though everything you create is much larger than the original, even if it has the same physical game dimensions.

 

[Graustein]

It was four little words that did it for me.

Rocks fall everyone dies.