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FoolKiller

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Well so far we have:

12. Dragon Age 2
11. Battlefield 3
10. Saints Row: The Third
9. The Witcher 2

Hmm... another trend of sequelitis seems to be brewing. I was AWOL during the voting procedure so I never got to have my say but I do hope that some new IPs get some Christmas loving in this list.
 

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For those that can't wait here is the complete list:

12. Dragon Age 2
11. Battlefield 3
10. Saints Row 3
09. The Witcher 2
08. Dark Souls
07. Zelda: Skyward Sword
06. Bastion
05. Batman: Arkham City
04. Deus Ex: Human Revolution
03. Minecraft
02. Portal 2
01. Skyrim

Dragon Age 2 on number 12 seems strange. The rest of the list is kinda what you except.
 

GeorgW

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FoolKiller said:
Well so far we have:

12. Dragon Age 2
11. Battlefield 3
10. Saints Row: The Third
9. The Witcher 2

Hmm... another trend of sequelitis seems to be brewing. I was AWOL during the voting procedure so I never got to have my say but I do hope that some new IPs get some Christmas loving in this list.
How many quality games even came out this year that weren't sequels? This list isn't exactly surprising.
 

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Flavio Kuperman said:
Your argument can be boiled down to this:

"I think everyone who doesn't share my specific taste of RPG's is an idiot"
->"Therefore"
"Everyone who likes the game I didn't like is an idiot."

Now think about the precedent you set, I could have started off by assuming that everyone who liked DA:O is some fat basement dweller who only likes pandering and clichéd shit. So then, I am going to start this off measured by saying this:

ONES PREFERENCE FOR GAMEPLAY SHOULD NOT BE HELD UP AS AN INDICATOR OF ONES PERSONAL INTELLIGENCE. PERIOD.

Now, the rest of your response is nothing but subjective preferences treated as facts, with all the necessary language to make out as if your tastes are somehow better (words like dumbed-down, complex, ect. Pointless semantics made out to paint you and other who share your opinion as superior).

Here's why the writing, story and characters of DA2 is a healthy step-up from it predecessor. [ul]
[li]Firstly, the characters no longer fit the standard bioware-mold. Instead of being just callbacks to previous bioware characters they are new personalities, the ultimate example being Aveline, one of the few female characters to perfectly embody feminism (not to mention, an actual female character who is not designed to pander or come off as a caricature) in an industry which sorely needs it.[/li]
[li]Secondly, The characters are more mature and well-rounded. In the first game, you had to pander to each and every character's ideology or risk them deserting you (despite the end of the motherfucking world) and they never evolved or changed unless you wished them too. For you see, the characters in DA:O were nothing but character prop, you were the only catalyst for them, they would just remain the same unless you forced them too.[/li]
[li]Thirdly, they gave us a story in which your character was given a personal and frankly refreshing motivation. No more "end of the world" bullshit which we've seen over and over again, no more the same old carrot-on-a-stick to get your character moving. Here, they gave us a story of poverty, xenophobia and pure grey choices. There was no obsessively racist caricature, only human frailty. No clear-cut bad-guy who you had to defeat, only desperate souls doing what they think is best (all of which is arguable) for the people they care about.[/li]
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This, is a clear step-up from the predecessor, and marks a healthy evolution for Bioware when it comes to writing, story and characterization (which is their main points of emphasis). Sure, the reused dungeons were bad, but treating the different gameplay and different story and setting as pure evil will only deter them from experimenting and innovating. We should be grateful that they finally delivered us great characters, great story and writing, instead of resorting to the old formula. We shouldn't be crying our eyes out over a big game company deciding to do something different, as after all, isn't that what we want? Innovation?

You cannot say with a straight-face that you support developers who do something different, experiment with their games, advance and mature their story-telling, yet fume over Bioware doing something different (even if you don't personally like it).

If all this backlash ends up with Bioware going back to the same old immature story-telling of bland character-archetypes, cliché "end of the world" story-lines and characters who do not evolve beyond your participation, then its on your hands. You will finally see what decrying experimentation means: companies going with safe bets, reusing the same old formula, same old characters and same old gameplay.

I hope to our non-existing god that they'll keep doing what they did with the characterization, writing and story. Or else we will end up with a carbon-copy of Baldurs Gate. Over and over again.
 

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Placing a post here to bookmark the thread before the whole thing falls off the front page and it's impossible to find again. And as for the list, I agree that 2011 was definitely the Year of the Sequel. How much do you want to bet that when the chips are down, Bastion is the only stand-alone game on the list?
 

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Marmooset said:
coldfrog said:
You've inspired me to put back my old avatar that I got because I could manipulate my badges so.
(After I changed my avatar I never got around to moving my badges some)
BOX!
I'm honored, sir.
Now I feel like I'm Cleverbadge's Watson.
Professor Cleverbadge Strikes Again [http://videogamegeek.com/user/ColdFrog]

(Yes, in my fantasy I'm a professor. Since you liked my box, I thought you might enjoy this too)

Anyway, more on topic:

Hyper-space said:
Here's why the writing, story and characters of DA2 is a healthy step-up from it predecessor. [ul]
[li]Firstly, the characters no longer fit the standard bioware-mold. Instead of being just callbacks to previous bioware characters they are new personalities, the ultimate example being Aveline, one of the few female characters to perfectly embody feminism (not to mention, an actual female character who is not designed to pander or come off as a caricature) in an industry which sorely needs it.[/li]
[li]Secondly, The characters are more mature and well-rounded. In the first game, you had to pander to each and every character's ideology or risk them deserting you (despite the end of the motherfucking world) and they never evolved or changed unless you wished them too. For you see, the characters in DA:O were nothing but character prop, you were the only catalyst for them, they would just remain the same unless you forced them too.[/li]
[li]Thirdly, they gave us a story in which your character was given a personal and frankly refreshing motivation. No more "end of the world" bullshit which we've seen over and over again, no more the same old carrot-on-a-stick to get your character moving. Here, they gave us a story of poverty, xenophobia and pure grey choices. There was no obsessively racist caricature, only human frailty. No clear-cut bad-guy who you had to defeat, only desperate souls doing what they think is best (all of which is arguable) for the people they care about.[/li][/ul]
I didn't much care for the first Dragon Age (never finished it, but honestly, with a game that long, you have to WANT to finish it) and so totally ignored the sequel. This makes me actively want to give it a shot, and not only that, makes me surprised it's not higher on the list (although, as communities vote, the final votes seem fairly straightforward). If everything you say is true[footnote]Not actually doubting the veracity of your claims, but rather accounting for opinions and experiences in which you might consider their story a breakthrough in the medium, whereas others might not. Basically just covering my ass in case the whole thing goes wahoonie-shaped :p[/footnote], then I DEFINITELY want to support this type of game being made. Anyone who's willing to break the mold is a plus for me, and when big companies like this do it, it feels like gaming as a legitimate medium is progressing even more.

After Christmas is over, I think I just might pick this up.
 

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GeorgW said:
FoolKiller said:
Well so far we have:

12. Dragon Age 2
11. Battlefield 3
10. Saints Row: The Third
9. The Witcher 2

Hmm... another trend of sequelitis seems to be brewing. I was AWOL during the voting procedure so I never got to have my say but I do hope that some new IPs get some Christmas loving in this list.
How many quality games even came out this year that weren't sequels? This list isn't exactly surprising.
There were quite a few quality games that were originals....

Bastion, From Dust, Catherine, Bulletstorm, L.A. Noire and Outland all come to mind. Although that would be hoping that enough people appreciate the arcade selection on XBLA/PSN/Steam for it to make the list for selection....

Come to think of it, could someone PM me the list of games that was available for selection. I may have missed out on giving input but I'm still curious what was available for choosing (and it would give me ideas of what games I might want to give a try).

One last thing... with 8 spots left in the top 12 I figure the following are likely...
Batman: Arkham City
Skyrim
Modern Warfare 3 (although I would be equally unsurprised if it didn't make it)
Little Big Planet 2
 

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Awesome, and rather hilarious. Given how much (mostly undeserved) hate DA2 gets on The Escapist, it's quite humourous to see it end up on a best of the year list that was voted on by the same population that claims it to be beyond awful.

It definitely had it's flaws, which Bioware themselves even admit to, but it definitely deserves it's spot. Good show DA2, and good show Escapist voters.
You can't name 12 games you'd rather play from the last year?

I mean I don't keep up with games much...but I could swear there are at least 12 other games way more entertaining and far more polished.

Just feels true.

duckymcfly99 said:
Agreed. It seems like a lot the fanboys/fangirls out there have been pissing themselves silly with Skyrim.

OT: My quote is at the bottom of the Saints Row: The Third section! Yeah!
But seriously, I haven't had as much fun with any other game than I have had with that one. Sure I can't have my character sing "Take On Me" and it didn't almost make me cry like in the second one, but who cares? I love that I can do sweet wrestling moves on innocent bystanders. While naked of course.
I really liked it.

I fucking hated that Gat died and the Legit ending involving the girl dying. I would have preferred just her dying in the beginning and Gat and my guy being total badasses. Their reasoning for it was shit too last I knew. They did it just to be "edgy".

Otherwise, SR3 was damn fun. Just needed to push back aircrafts to mid game instead of 10 seconds after I'm on the ground :p.

-|- said:
I liked DA2 a lot. I know some people didn't like it - but why do so many of them need their opinion validating?

To those complaining about it: You only have to adjust your preconception that the game was universally hated by the community based on the factual evidence presented here - it doesn't mean that you are forced into liking it.

On the other hand SR3 is complete shite. The escapist must have took some bribes as I can't believe that anyone would have a different opinion of that game to me.
This made me laugh a bit but the fact that it "might" not be intentional irony made me sad.
 

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FoolKiller said:
GeorgW said:
FoolKiller said:
Well so far we have:

12. Dragon Age 2
11. Battlefield 3
10. Saints Row: The Third
9. The Witcher 2

Hmm... another trend of sequelitis seems to be brewing. I was AWOL during the voting procedure so I never got to have my say but I do hope that some new IPs get some Christmas loving in this list.
How many quality games even came out this year that weren't sequels? This list isn't exactly surprising.
There were quite a few quality games that were originals....

Bastion, From Dust, Catherine, Bulletstorm, L.A. Noire and Outland all come to mind. Although that would be hoping that enough people appreciate the arcade selection on XBLA/PSN/Steam for it to make the list for selection....

Come to think of it, could someone PM me the list of games that was available for selection. I may have missed out on giving input but I'm still curious what was available for choosing (and it would give me ideas of what games I might want to give a try).

One last thing... with 8 spots left in the top 12 I figure the following are likely...
Batman: Arkham City
Skyrim
Modern Warfare 3 (although I would be equally unsurprised if it didn't make it)
Little Big Planet 2
The only ones of those new IPs I liked and would consider to be viable to the top 12 are Bastion and LA Noire. Don't get me wrong, I'm sick of sequelitis as well, but since all resources are devoted to the sequels it's not surprising that they're the ones that are good.
I would also like a list of the games you could vote for, all I can remember is that there were a damn lot of them.
And I'd bet a few millions that Skyrim will win, and I'd bet a few bucks arkham city's in the top 3. I really doubt MW3 or LBP will be on the list though. Portal 2 will be very high up.
 

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coldfrog said:
I didn't much care for the first Dragon Age (never finished it, but honestly, with a game that long, you have to WANT to finish it) and so totally ignored the sequel. This makes me actively want to give it a shot, and not only that, makes me surprised it's not higher on the list (although, as communities vote, the final votes seem fairly straightforward). If everything you say is true
Well, think about the amount of RPG's in which your character's primary motivation was the end of the world. Quite a few.

Then think about what kind of company this is, its one of the largest RPG developer in the industry, and they are under one of the largest publishers in the world. When a big-deal like them breaks the mold, I cannot help but feel a slight tingle of hope.
 

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Susan Arendt said:
Therumancer said:
I won't push, but you might want to check those results for tampering. I'm also kind of curious who that quote is from, and how many people you can find in the community reinforcing those sentiments for it to represent "our standard reaction". Granted the characterization in DA2 was decent, it's rather... strong reaction being gameplay related more than anything. Still I haven't exactly seen thousands of Escapists singing it's praises in any capacity for that to represent anything like a majority point of view.

I've said my piece, you won't hear anything else from me on the subject.
Wait a minute.

You're now accusing us of lying simply because you can't conceive of a situation in which Dragon Age 2 might've actually been liked by enough people in this community to have made it onto the list. You even suggest we made up the quotes.

If you really think that we fabricated the results to push some kind of agenda, I invite you to leave this site and not return.
Question: are you the one who banned him over the post? Because there's a difference between "inviting" someone to leave and banning them. Banning someone who has concerns that you may have tampered with poll results in order to please the advertisers, when he hasn't actually broken any rules, doesn't exactly help the case that you aren't bowing to pressure from EA, does it? I'm not saying you did, but I'd like some kind of an explanation as to why one the longest lasting and best posters on these forums just got banned.

Edit: Especially since this is two days after the ban, and his forum health bar still shows that he's a few ticks short of a perma ban, but all of his posts are still grayed out with a note that says he was banned.
 

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Hyper-space said:
Flavio Kuperman said:
Your argument can be boiled down to this:

"I think everyone who doesn't share my specific taste of RPG's is an idiot"
->"Therefore"
"Everyone who likes the game I didn't like is an idiot."

Now think about the precedent you set, I could have started off by assuming that everyone who liked DA:O is some fat basement dweller who only likes pandering and clichéd shit. So then, I am going to start this off measured by saying this:

ONES PREFERENCE FOR GAMEPLAY SHOULD NOT BE HELD UP AS AN INDICATOR OF ONES PERSONAL INTELLIGENCE. PERIOD.

Now, the rest of your response is nothing but subjective preferences treated as facts, with all the necessary language to make out as if your tastes are somehow better (words like dumbed-down, complex, ect. Pointless semantics made out to paint you and other who share your opinion as superior).

Here's why the writing, story and characters of DA2 is a healthy step-up from it predecessor. [ul]
[li]Firstly, the characters no longer fit the standard bioware-mold. Instead of being just callbacks to previous bioware characters they are new personalities, the ultimate example being Aveline, one of the few female characters to perfectly embody feminism (not to mention, an actual female character who is not designed to pander or come off as a caricature) in an industry which sorely needs it.[/li]
[li]Secondly, The characters are more mature and well-rounded. In the first game, you had to pander to each and every character's ideology or risk them deserting you (despite the end of the motherfucking world) and they never evolved or changed unless you wished them too. For you see, the characters in DA:O were nothing but character prop, you were the only catalyst for them, they would just remain the same unless you forced them too.[/li]
[li]Thirdly, they gave us a story in which your character was given a personal and frankly refreshing motivation. No more "end of the world" bullshit which we've seen over and over again, no more the same old carrot-on-a-stick to get your character moving. Here, they gave us a story of poverty, xenophobia and pure grey choices. There was no obsessively racist caricature, only human frailty. No clear-cut bad-guy who you had to defeat, only desperate souls doing what they think is best (all of which is arguable) for the people they care about.[/li]
[/ul]
This, is a clear step-up from the predecessor, and marks a healthy evolution for Bioware when it comes to writing, story and characterization (which is their main points of emphasis). Sure, the reused dungeons were bad, but treating the different gameplay and different story and setting as pure evil will only deter them from experimenting and innovating. We should be grateful that they finally delivered us great characters, great story and writing, instead of resorting to the old formula. We shouldn't be crying our eyes out over a big game company deciding to do something different, as after all, isn't that what we want? Innovation?

You cannot say with a straight-face that you support developers who do something different, experiment with their games, advance and mature their story-telling, yet fume over Bioware doing something different (even if you don't personally like it).

If all this backlash ends up with Bioware going back to the same old immature story-telling of bland character-archetypes, cliché "end of the world" story-lines and characters who do not evolve beyond your participation, then its on your hands. You will finally see what decrying experimentation means: companies going with safe bets, reusing the same old formula, same old characters and same old gameplay.

I hope to our non-existing god that they'll keep doing what they did with the characterization, writing and story. Or else we will end up with a carbon-copy of Baldurs Gate. Over and over again.
I won't go too far because I doubt this will go anywhere... but yeah, I wouldn't expect the characterization to get screwed up by Bioware, and they delivered in this department (despite the only viable healer being rather intolerable). The problem, as I mentioned, is that the gameplay was shite, especially compared to previous titles. Very watered down, cut down to a minimum. I'm not saying I have a problem with people liking this kind of thing, but I do have a problem with Bioware baiting-and-switching with this on people who don't. The repetitive environments were maybe 1% of the issues I had with that game.
 

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theultimateend said:
This made me laugh a bit but the fact that it "might" not be intentional irony made me sad.
No need to be sad - irony was intended.
 

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Flavio Kuperman said:
I wonder how much EA had to pay to get DA2 up there. With all the overall negative reception DA2 got (other than by pro reviewers, of course), it will be a shame to see all the excellent games that didn't make this list. Damn I hate that game.
Must have been a lot, considering this is a vote, and they'd have to bribe a fair amount of people. Or, maybe your tastes aren't universal? *le gasp*
 

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Skyward Sword at #7... well, I never expected it to make #1, that's just silly. But I did hope it'd make the top 3 or at least 5. I know the top 3: Skyrim, Portal 2 and Minecraft. Deus Ex and Arkham City will be in 4-6. My biggest question: what is the other one?

Meh. Still a great list, and with three exceptions (Skyward Sword and Saint's Row 3, and the fact that Skyrim will be #1), it's matching well with what I think.
 

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So far, out of the...what, 6 that are up? I only own two of them and have only played three (ironically, one of the three I've played are not one of the ones I own. Technically, it wasn't a present-peek either)
 

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..I think it's broken.

I've been away for a week, finally saw it, clicked on each Day to see them, only got the 7th Day. Are users only able to claim them ON the day? It used to be you can claim them up to the final day for all of them in previous years :\
 

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Yay! Zelda! Alright, now for Halo: Anniversary, Portal 2, L.A. Noire, Uncharted 3, Arkham City, that one game I can never remember, and Skyrim...right? =O

*crosses fingers*

EDIT: Dues Ex! Why the hell can I not remember that name!? Anyways that the one I was talking about.
 

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Caramel Frappe said:
Well now I feel touched. The Escapist Staff giving us each day to check out a game in our stocking.. it's pretty much so exciting because I have NO IDEA what the games will be. Love you guys!! And you random (or well known) Escapist users! Merry Christmas!!

P.S: I already have a feeling that..
Skyrim is going to get ether #2 or #3. It won't get #1 because even though I feel it's the best game ever, there are some other games that deserve the golden spot of the year. My guess is that it'll be ether Mario World (that new one) or Angry Birds. I'm not kidding you.
Angry Birds!? If that somehow manages to take the top spot, I'm catching the next transport out of this system! Some things just shouldn't be....
 

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..I think it's broken.

I've been away for a week, finally saw it, clicked on each Day to see them, only got the 7th Day. Are users only able to claim them ON the day? It used to be you can claim them up to the final day for all of them in previous years :\
I'm not getting No. 8 either. Buggy badges are buggy.