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Suicidejim

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The conversation I deal with EVERY DAY:

"Oh, nice accent? Where are you from?"
"I'm British."
"Wow, that's cool. So . . . where in England are you from?"

. . . I'm Welsh.

Incidentally, people refer to me as 'talking British' regularly.
 
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scw55 said:
Because everyone in the world except for people living in Ireland, Scotland and Wales assumes British = English?

I'm sorry dear, I do not consider London to be my capital city.
Well, the Irish aren't British, but your point's true.

OT: I've never heard it abused like that, sorry.
 

Lilani

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Sizzle Montyjing said:
Anyone else see the problem with the title?
Yeah, it's Britain, not British (when used in that context)
So my question is... Why are so many people saying' Oh, Go to British, it's fantastic!' and 'He speaks British'!?

An increasing amount of people are using 'British' in the wrong context, or perhaps it's just me.
I have only ever heard people say "Speaks British" (in the sense of it being an accent, not in the sense of it being a language. I have never met anyone who thinks it's its own language). I have never seen "Go to British," either.
 

Brutal Peanut

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I've never heard anything even resembling, "Oh, go to British!"
But I have heard people say, "That is a British accent", when I am pretty sure they really mean, English.
 

Jaime_Wolf

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Sizzle Montyjing said:
Anyone else see the problem with the title?
Yeah, it's Britain, not British (when used in that context)
So my question is... Why are so many people saying' Oh, Go to British, it's fantastic!' and 'He speaks British'!?

An increasing amount of people are using 'British' in the wrong context, or perhaps it's just me.
I haven't ever heard people say "go to British", except maybe in a sort of a snarky humourous way. As for "speaking British", I think that's a separate issue since, if Britain had a unique language associated with the nation, it would be called British. Also, the joke that British people "speak British" has been around forever.

As to why anyone says these things seriously, I hope and pray that I will never run into such a person.
 

RoonMian

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Maybe I'm just adding to the confusion now and maybe I'm just plain wrong but... Can't you actually say that let's say Cockney English is a British accent and Welsh is another British accent? As an accent spoken in Britain?
 

Dusty Fred

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Can't say that I've come across that but, then again, I don't leave the house most days. Besides which I live in Worksop and people mostly just grunt/fling faeces to communicate here.
 

Nuke_em_05

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j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
Phlakes said:
cassaho said:
It's because they are very good at england.
You win lots and lots of internets. Like, lots. And lots.

OT: Never heard that before. Although I have heard of British accents, in the same way people talk about American accents.
Not really. America is a single, unified country. Britain is actually composed of four separate countries, each with their own governments. Therefore, there is no single British accent, because there is no single country of Britain. America, at least, is unified under one President and one constitution.
Not really. The United States of America is a single, unified country, composed of 50 separate states, each with their own governments, and even dialects. I don't like it when people drop the "United States of" part, because it for one forgets that the "Americas" are two continents worth of countries, and two, belittles the independent state aspect of the government. Much in the same way people assume "Great Britain" is a singular nation, as opposed to being comprised of many component nations (granted the United States of America is a singular nation, but the point is that it is not so singular), but I digress.

The "General American Accent", or the "Midwestern American Accent" is the one you hear in most films from the U.S.. However, there are various dialects across the country. Some are regional, some are ethnic: New York (with at least three sub-accents), New Jersey, greater New England, Southern, Texan, Cajun, Hawai'i, Inland Northern American, Midland, Pacific Northwest, etc.

Government composition isn't an issue here: even within England there are various distinct dialects and accents.

OT: Never heard of people saying "going to British" outside of this thread, I have heard "Speaks British" from some very ignorant people... but you wouldn't use "Britain" in that sentence either...
 

Lukeje

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RoonMian said:
Maybe I'm just adding to the confusion now and maybe I'm just plain wrong but... Can't you actually say that let's say Cockney English is a British accent and Welsh is another British accent? As an accent spoken in Britain?
Welsh isn't a British accent. Welsh is a British language. There are several Welsh accents however.
 

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Brutal Peanut said:
I've never heard anything even resembling, "Oh, go to British!"
But I have heard people say, "That is a British accent", when I am pretty sure they really mean, English.
They mean some variation on The Queen's English, as it's sometimes colloquially called, or Received Pronounciation, or a comedically bad facsimile, commonly acknowledged as a "British accent" within American pop culture. A misnomer, and term of little relevance to linguistic reality amongst citizens of the UK.

As opposed to the various regional accents of England, the regional accents of Welsh, Scottish, or Hiberno-English, or the seperate languages also spoken within the UK (That is to say, the United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland) Scots, Gaelic, Welsh, or (possibly) Gaelige (all of which also feature varying numbers of regional accents).

OP: I've never heard of that usage. Sure it's not just one or more of your friends slipping up linguistically once or twice?
 
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RoonMian said:
Maybe I'm just adding to the confusion now and maybe I'm just plain wrong but... Can't you actually say that let's say Cockney English is a British accent and Welsh is another British accent? As an accent spoken in Britain?
Welsh is a language with many accents. Cockney is a colloquial language. It's like Scots and Scottish. One's a variation on English, the other is it's own language. Equally Cornish, Scouse, Orkney...

All of them are British languages which can be spoken with many British Accents, like Mummerset, Chizit, Geordie.

But you can also speak Scouse with a Boston Accent. Or American English with a Liverpudlian accent. You can't speak Bostonian with a Scouse Accent though.
 

RoonMian

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
Lukeje said:
Yeah, I'm sorry. I forgot about Welsh being a different language. Which is kinda ironic since I always insist that Kölsch is a German language and not just a dialect. So let me rephrase that.

Maybe I'm just adding to the confusion now and maybe I'm just plain wrong but... Can't you actually say that let's say Cockney English is a British dialect and some other dialect spoken in Britain (I'm sorry, I don't know any more) is another British dialect? As a dialect spoken in Britain?
 

Lukeje

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RoonMian said:
The_root_of_all_evil said:
Lukeje said:
Yeah, I'm sorry. I forgot about Welsh being a different language. Which is kinda ironic since I always insist that Kölsch is a German language and not just a dialect. So let me rephrase that.

Maybe I'm just adding to the confusion now and maybe I'm just plain wrong but... Can't you actually say that let's say Cockney English is a British dialect and some other dialect spoken in Britain (I'm sorry, I don't know any more) is another British dialect? As an a dialect spoken in Britain?
Avoiding the question of dialects, Welsh is a completely different language than English (though Welsh is similar to Irish and Scottish gaelic). That is not a matter of any debate.
 
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RoonMian said:
Maybe I'm just adding to the confusion now and maybe I'm just plain wrong but... Can't you actually say that let's say Cockney English is a British dialect and some other dialect spoken in Britain (I'm sorry, I don't know any more) is another British dialect? As an a dialect spoken in Britain?
Cockney is a dialect and a sub-set of English (in that it uses the basic ideas of grammar etc.). Welsh has multiple dialects, and is a sub-set of Celtic (I believe) - making it similar to English but not the same.

Cockney-English is like Canadian-American. Welsh-English is like Cuban-American.
 

RoonMian

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Lukeje said:
Avoiding the question of dialects, Welsh is a completely different language than English (though Welsh is similar to Irish and Scottish gaelic). That is not a matter of any debate.
That's why I left the "Welsh" part out of it this time...

Well, at least I clearly succeded in adding confusion. :D

The_root_of_all_evil said:
Cockney is a dialect and a sub-set of English (in that it uses the basic ideas of grammar etc.). Welsh has multiple dialects, and is a sub-set of Celtic (I believe) - making it similar to English but not the same.

Cockney-English is like Canadian-American. Welsh-English is like Cuban-American.
Yeah, so much is clear. That's why I asked.