Well Europe..GERMANY has finally won the (Economic) War?

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Vandenberg1

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By Victor Davis Hanson Friday, Dec. 16, 2011 Thursday, Dec. 15, 2011


The rise of a German Europe began in 1914, failed twice, and has now ended in the victory of German power almost a century later. The Europe that Kaiser Wilhelm lost in 1918, and that Adolf Hitler destroyed in 1945, has at last been won by German Chancellor Angela Merkel without firing a shot.

Or so it seems from European newspapers, which now refer bitterly to a "Fourth Reich" and arrogant new Nazi "Gauleiters" who dictate terms to their European subordinates. Popular cartoons depict Germans with stiff-arm salutes and swastikas, establishing new rules of behavior for supposedly inferior peoples.

Millions of terrified Italians, Spaniards, Greeks, Portuguese and other Europeans are pouring their savings into German banks at the rate of $15 billion a month. A thumbs- up or thumbs-down from the euro-rich Merkel now determines whether European countries will limp ahead with new German-backed loans or default and see their standard of living regress to that of a half-century ago.

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A worried neighbor, France, in schizophrenic fashion, as so often in the past, alternately lashes out at Britain for abandoning it and fawns on Germany to appease it. The worries in 1989 of British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher and French President François Mitterrand over German unification ? that neither a new European Union nor an old NATO could quite rein in German power ? proved true.

How did the grand dream of a "new Europe" end just 20 years later in a German protectorate ? especially given the not-so-subtle aim of the European Union to diffuse German ambitions through a continentwide superstate? Not by arms. Britain fights in wars all over the globe. France has the bomb. But Germany mostly stays within its borders ? without a nuke, a single aircraft carrier or a military base abroad.

Not by handouts. Germany poured almost $2 trillion of its own money into rebuilding an East Germany ruined by communism ? without help from others. To drive through southern Europe is to see new freeways, bridges, rail lines, stadiums and airports financed by German banks or subsidized by the German government.

Not by population. Somehow, 120 million Greeks, Italians, Spaniards and Portuguese are begging some 80 million Germans to bail them out.

And not because of good fortune. Just 65 years ago, Berlin was flattened, Hamburg incinerated and Munich a shell ? in ways Athens, Rome, Madrid and Lisbon were not.

In truth, German character ? so admired and feared in European literature and history ? led to the present Germanization of Europe. No other interpretation offers better reasons why a booming Detroit of 1945 today looks like it was bombed, and a bombed-out Berlin of 1945 now is booming.

Germans on average worked harder and smarter than their European neighbors ? investing rather than consuming, saving rather than spending, and going to bed when others to the south were going to dinner. Recipients of their largesse bitterly complain that German banks lent them money to buy German products in a sort of 21st-century commercial serfdom. True enough, but that still begs the question why Berlin, and not Rome or Madrid, was able to pull off such lucrative mercantilism.

Where does all this lead? Right now to some great unknowns that terrify most of Europe. Will German industriousness and talent eventually translate into military dominance and cultural chauvinism ? as it has in the past? How, exactly, can an unraveling EU, or NATO, now "led from behind" by a disengaged United States, persuade Germany not to translate its overwhelming economic clout into political and military advantage? Can poor European adolescents really obey their rich German parents? Berlin in essence has now scolded southern Europeans that if they still expect sophisticated medical care, high-tech and plentiful consumer goods ? the adornments of a rich American and northern Europe lifestyle ? then they have to start behaving like Germans, who produce such things and subsidize them for others.

In other words, an Athenian may still have his ultra- modern airport and subway, a Spaniard may still get a hip replacement, or a Roman may still enjoy his new Mercedes. But not if they insist on daily siestas, dinner at 9 p.m., retirement in their early 50s, cheating on taxes, and a de facto 10 a.m. to 4 p.m. workday.

Behind all the EU's 11th- hour gobbledygook, Germany's new European order is clear: If you wish to live like a German, then you must work and save like a German. Take it or leave it.

E-mail: author@victorhanson.com.

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Could America, and Europe, Re-Learn to become a producer rather then spoiled consumer as most of the Western World has followed? Or are we culturally to selfish to bail ourselves with classic hard work ethos our grandparents so often speak of?
 

Khanht Cope

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I really don't see it as economic war. Just circumstance. It's economic complacency and mismanagement.

Greece can't compete with Germany in exports; and they can't manipulate their currency to get a competitive advantage.

The situation isn't radically different from America finding itself struggling against Chinese domination. Sure, China has been playing a bit dirty; but you can't deny the element of fiscal and economic stupidity on the part of the victim.

Germany is hardly in some economic paradise. They have problems of their own and their exports are in danger of peetering. These problems are going on all over the world.

Greece can either leave the eurozone and go into collapse until they rebuild; or they can integrate further into the new project to hold onto support, and find themselves governed from above by a centralised authority. Depressingly, it looks like they're opting for the latter.
 

Zarkov

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And this, gentlemen, is why I decided to learn German.

Not really, but it's really cool to see them doing so well. I don't think that it's a war per se, but it's definitely a note worthy achievement (or in the making of one).

Nach Deutschland im Frühling!
 

Darth_Dude

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As long as they don't go all Nazi on us again, I see nothing wrong with this.

Third time lucky?

In all seriousness, I think we're all over-reacting.
 

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Darth_Dude said:
As long as they don't go all Nazi on us again, I see nothing wrong with this.

Third time lucky?

In all seriousness, I think we're all over-reacting.
If anything if Germany would leave the rest of the world alone as long as they never mentioned the Nazi's again.

I'm happy for the Germans, they've had some ruff history. Let them bask in their hard earned wealth!
 

Zarkov

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Gustof26 said:
Darth_Dude said:
As long as they don't go all Nazi on us again, I see nothing wrong with this.

Third time lucky?

In all seriousness, I think we're all over-reacting.
If anything if Germany would leave the rest of the world alone as long as they never mentioned the Nazi's again.

I'm happy for the Germans, they've had some ruff history. Let them bask in their hard earned wealth!
I completely agree.

I really think the OP should shorten the post, tab an easily debatable question at the end and a tl;dr summary. That would garner so many more posts for this topic, as I think it's interesting but the way it's presented is so daunting that most will skip it.
 

Adventurer2626

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Hm. Um okay? I guess I'm proud of my super-duper extended family for playing it smart. Doesn't mean that I like a handful of countries indebted to one. Especially as it smacks of the US-China relationship. Modern economics make me want to grab as many [insert monetary capital here] and pile it, douse it in gasoline, and toss a match/lit cigarette on it.
 

Thurander

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Well if they can keep Americas big wall-streets CEOs from destroying the world or china's build it now who cares if it destroys the world with pollution, from bring the world to a end before we become a space faring civilization, i for one welcome are new German overlords.
 

Mr.PlanetEater

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Well I guess Hitler was sort of right, at least as far as Germany becoming an Economic Power to be the envy of all of Europe, huh feels weird to say that. I think I need a shower.
 
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That is not necessarily correct just look at Ireland which has a much higher age of retirement than most of those countries from what I remember, works longer days, shorter or equal breaks and probably evades as much tax along with a black market cash in hand.

Countries are in the state that they are in now not due to bad work hours although that is probably part of it but due to bad management and corruption in some cases.
 

Zeetchmen

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I have been wanting to move to Germany since the US is going down the crapper.

Just think finding a job would be the hard part since they are only really looking for doctors from abroad :/

Plus I could visit Denmark easy, and I've always wanted to go there too.
 

Vandenberg1

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Zarkov said:
Gustof26 said:
Darth_Dude said:
As long as they don't go all Nazi on us again, I see nothing wrong with this.

Third time lucky?

In all seriousness, I think we're all over-reacting.
If anything if Germany would leave the rest of the world alone as long as they never mentioned the Nazi's again.

I'm happy for the Germans, they've had some ruff history. Let them bask in their hard earned wealth!
I completely agree.

I really think the OP should shorten the post, tab an easily debatable question at the end and a tl;dr summary. That would garner so many more posts for this topic, as I think it's interesting but the way it's presented is so daunting that most will skip it.
It wasn't written by me, its an article. I was hoping for some more Europeans to get in on an argument and blame game but, as I thought, they agree with hard facts and don't deny anything xo
 

theonecookie

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To be fair when it comes to economy I'd rather be dictated to be somebody who knows what there doing than flail around randomly in the hopes of achieving some positive results .because you know everyone else was doing such a good job ,well maybe this is for the best