'Well I Would Like To See You Do Better' A acceptable comback to any form of criticism?
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The sentence itself is okay for musicians, but for how she is using it is inappropriate. It's like saying "I play Piano and I want to see you do better". And that isn't fair, specially when I have 6 years playing.
It's an acceptable comeback to someone saying "I could do better" and nothing else in the history of existance. A (good) critic's job is to say whether or not the reader will like the song/game/film/mastodon in question, and thinking, "Well, I couldn't do any better!" doesn't make a boring film, a broken game or a tone deaf singer any more enjoyable.
Tell your sister you can fly, and then jump. Say that because she cannot jump higher you must be able to fly and as such she cannot critisize your flawless flying technique, she cant do better and as such cannot comment on your technique. Proceed to laud your ability to fly over her for hours on end until she boils over. Remember if you cant do better it must be perfect. This is the worst thing i hear in arguements of good or bad and it makes me rage. Just because i cant do something doesnt mean i cant tell if someone else can do it or not. I cant write a synphony but i know if a friend gathers several ducks and makes them quack it isnt a very good bit of music. Tell her never to read a review of something ever again because by her logic they cannot do better so their opinion is worthless.Gunjack65 said:
Someone tried this crap on me... I proceeded to do better. SO THERE.
But it's not a good comeback, ever.
But it's not a good comeback, ever.
Nope, not really.
All because the shit I'm insulting doesn't smell fouler than my shit doesn't mean it still isn't a pile of shit.
All because the shit I'm insulting doesn't smell fouler than my shit doesn't mean it still isn't a pile of shit.
Actually, I could sing folk songs, and it would still be better than him.
Because I got nice deep bariton voice and 8 years of music school.
And the argument really is stupid. Say something that makes sense, or shut you fat fucking hole.
Because I got nice deep bariton voice and 8 years of music school.
And the argument really is stupid. Say something that makes sense, or shut you fat fucking hole.
When people say that in response to criticism of music, a book, film, etc., it can be one of the stupidest arguments out there. If I think somebody makes crappy music, whether I can actually sing or not is completely irrelevant. (I can't, for the record.)
In my personal experience, it's just something that people throw at you when they don't have any decent arguments left.
In my personal experience, it's just something that people throw at you when they don't have any decent arguments left.
I like that thinking, I'm of the opinion of pretty much everyone here. It is not an acceptable form of a comeback, it suggests no one is allowed an opinion.BiscuitTrouser said:
I think the way time such an arguement would work is between friends, doing something none professional. Take for example a bunch of mates kicking a ball at a goal in football. If someone says I can get the top corner and then misses, if a friend says he failed and is rubbish They can't say "oh I'd like to see...' because they suggested they had a skill which they lacked or underperformed in. IF however they just are all kicking the ball at the goal, and he misses, someone then shouts abuse I guess then you could make the arguement. Because then they are all on equal footing, and it was the friend insulting that suggested the idea of skill, not the ball kicker.
reading through that it makes little sense, but what I essentially mean is between mates its fine, when someone claims to be good (i.e. goes on tv, says WATCH THIS, gloats, mentions their good, is a professional) they have no right to say i'd like to see you do better. As they suggested a skill above average to start with.
Nope. Lack of expertise in an area doesn't prevent one from criticizing another's work. Although expertise would help in making the criticism more valid, it's not a requirement.
lets blow this up a bit.
"Gee Chernobyl was poorly built."
"Well i would like to see you do better."
Ya it's not working, that is terrible logic. Criticizing something does not mean you can do it, in fact critiquing is an art in and of it self!
in a side note i hate Beiber. (this note was longer but on page 12 i figured this one sentence would do.)
"Gee Chernobyl was poorly built."
"Well i would like to see you do better."
Ya it's not working, that is terrible logic. Criticizing something does not mean you can do it, in fact critiquing is an art in and of it self!
in a side note i hate Beiber. (this note was longer but on page 12 i figured this one sentence would do.)
The only time I can possibly see this applying is if someone fucks something up and their comeback to you insulting them is "I'd like to see you do better". And really, that only applies if they have no training or experience in whatever it is they're doing.
For example, if someone with absolutely no background or experience in carpentry tried to make a chair and the product resembled a mutilated pile of boards, you could insult them and a reasonable comeback could be "I'd like to see you do better."
For example, if someone with absolutely no background or experience in carpentry tried to make a chair and the product resembled a mutilated pile of boards, you could insult them and a reasonable comeback could be "I'd like to see you do better."
I believe you've just won this thread.Snarky Username said:
On topic, tell her that the pop music genre isn't about skill. It's about marketability. Marketability is what makes stupid teen girls like your sister listen to shitty music just because it's belted out by some high-voiced momma's boy who's advertised as a sex/romance symbol when all he is is a lucky kid who needs a haircut.
That phrase isn't a comeback at all, it's the first part of an excuse, and a perfectly acceptable one at that - if I put together a ramshackle aircraft in the middle of the desert without proper tools, and you tell me it looks like crap, it's a reasonable rejoinder to say "Well I'd like to see you do better under the conditions". Or perhaps "I'd like to see you do better with three hours of sleep and a broken leg", the point is there is some additional factor besides your own lack of talent to blame for whatever you are being criticized about - you know it's crappy, but you have a good excuse, and you can counter those complaints about your crappy work by challenging the complainer to do better with what you had to work with (which they probably can't).
As a blanket rebuttal to criticism for something you enjoy though? That's stupid, plain and simple - people who say that are using the phrase to ignore valid criticism without accepting that the criticism is in fact valid - they're not providing you with mitigating circumstances that should be taken into account, they're just saying "No, you are!" in different words. Which makes them idiots who don't know how words and logic work.
As a blanket rebuttal to criticism for something you enjoy though? That's stupid, plain and simple - people who say that are using the phrase to ignore valid criticism without accepting that the criticism is in fact valid - they're not providing you with mitigating circumstances that should be taken into account, they're just saying "No, you are!" in different words. Which makes them idiots who don't know how words and logic work.
I save this response for when Twilight fans say "I haven't seen you do anything better." (Yes I have a pre prepared line.) "I can go out and gather up dog poop from the park and put in a stainless steel case and sell it for $50 each. I can then sell one and a half million units. But at the end of the day no matter how well my product sells, no matter how popular it is, no matter how rabidly my fan base is willing to defend my product. It is just a piece of shit in a shiny box."Gunjack65 said: