Well Square, you finally did it... you killed Final Fantasy (A Rant)

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Oly J

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balladbird said:
I like the character designs, personally. Even the picture you despise looks appealing to me. Kind of like reservoir dogs if the characters were cosplayers.

other than that, I hold with the group. we know next to nothing about the things you're presently complaining about, and what we do know of the mechanics points to them being a 200% improvement over 13. let's give it the benefit of the doubt.
but...but the characters in that dress like RATIONAL PEOPLE would dress!...that's not right....nah honestly it doesn't really bother me, but if they don't put chocobos in this game so help me God I will....probably still buy it as the gameplay looks interesting, but I really hope there're chocobos
 

BM19

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... Meh.
I'm all for more playable female characters, but we're not even entirely sure if that's the case for this game because we know so little about it.
Besides, these games have always been ridiculous style over substance. Aside from the old school first few, a bit of Disidia, and the DS Tactics game, I could never much stomach them. And the most focused-upon female character in the series, Lightning, was so boring that it might be better for these guys *not* to try to make another female character -- it might do more harm than good.

Honestly, if you want a playable female character in almost any Final Fantasy game, just squint your eyes; most of the protagonists are so androgynous that you wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

Sorry, fun rant over.
 

Longing

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You know, I'm all for pretty boys in japanese games, but man, those guys do nothing for me. The second one from the left looks like a trashy redneck and the one next to him sticks out like a cosplayer in a nightclub.

I am disappointed about the low number of women in the cast and also about the changes to the battle system though. I've always liked the turn-based combat, FF XII pretty much had the perfect recipe.

I will say however, I do like the more modern setting, feels a lot more interesting than whatever the fuck kind of period the previous games were in.

So, not a day one purchase, but then again I've never bought a FF game on release day. I'll see what kind of reviews it gets.
 

Nowhere Man

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What are you babbling about? We just had three games straight where the lead protagonist was a female. Also take a closer look at the cast. There are 2 females! I also don't have any issues with the character designs of the males and think they look pretty westernized tbh. What exactly were you expecting?
 

Blaze the Dragon

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Wait, so the problem is that there's no female protagonist, when there are. Very little information has been released about the game. And on top of all that, you're implying that FFXIII WASN'T a PoS.
 

Amir Kondori

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These kinds of posts are so melodramatic and overwrought. I will say this, it sounds like you REALLY should take a break from gaming.
 

Johnny Novgorod

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Witty Name Here said:
Here's a panorama of characters from the most recent trailer (that picture you're using is quite old)


As you can see, there are two girls, and when viewing the characters from the front they don't look so "brotastic" to me.
Is it weird I can't tell who are supposed to be the girls?
 

Callie

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KaneX said:
Final Fantasy 15? So they are still at it. Well I will give Square this. When they got an idea, they stick to it.
And for gender determination, well you know some Asian games. I swear the first time I saw Tidus from FFX the first word that popped in to my mind was cross dresser.
Square Enix was saved by this franchise, as this was the last attempt of a game beofre declaring bankruptcy, and when FFIX came out they vowed to get the series to number 18 so expect a few more still

Not being able to determiner gender I will point you in the direction of Kuja or Seymour.
 

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Johnny Novgorod said:
Witty Name Here said:
Here's a panorama of characters from the most recent trailer (that picture you're using is quite old)


As you can see, there are two girls, and when viewing the characters from the front they don't look so "brotastic" to me.
Is it weird I can't tell who are supposed to be the girls?
Number 9 and 12, respectively. Also, number 7 appears to be Ezio.
 

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KaneX said:
Final Fantasy 15? So they are still at it. Well I will give Square this. When they got an idea, they stick to it.
And for gender determination, well you know some Asian games. I swear the first time I saw Tidus from FFX the first word that popped in to my mind was cross dresser.
Square Enix was saved by this franchise, as this was the last attempt of a game beofre declaring bankruptcy, and when FFIX came out they vowed to get the series to number 18 so expect a few more still

Not being able to determiner gender I will point you in the direction of Kuja or Seymour.
Seymour was clearly a man. The open chested coat gives it away.



Kuja, took me a little bit.


In any case, I'm so getting this game. Like seriously. If only for the fact that I'm dedicated to buy games with feminine looking male characters to monetarily oppose the less then gender equal game industry - as you can easily imagine I own quite a few FF games. The more I hear people bitching, whining and complaining about it before its even got a real release date the more I want to buy and play it.
 

Strazdas

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wasnt fina fantasy dead since 10?
but yet you keep buying it.
and character designs have been awful from the very first game and only now you complain about them?

The only character i liked in the series to begin with was cloud.


Capcha: It's over.

ok i take my argument back, capcha is obviously right.
 

Callie

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In any case, I'm so getting this game. Like seriously. If only for the fact that I'm dedicated to buy games with feminine looking male characters to monetarily oppose the less then gender equal game industry - as you can easily imagine I own quite a few FF games. The more I hear people bitching, whining and complaining about it before its even got a real release date the more I want to buy and play it.
I am also getting the game saying as I have all of them bar XI and XII (X-2 made me hesitant..), but I would like to take back me saying Seymour and replace it with the ultimate FF is it male/female?

 

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SpunkeyMonkey said:
Who knows, it could be the best game ever, but to a large degree it certainly seems to be stuck in the mid-00's emo culture which died the second Toby M's Spiderman discovered Venom.

It's too early to make a proper judgement on anything other than speculation, but my own personal reaction to what I've seen so far is along the lines of "oh no, FF going even more to shit"

I think the overwhelmingly baffling thing about it all is that it just seems so detached from it's roots as a whole. That's not to say it shouldn't evolve, but it just doesn't give out a vibe of wonderment and amazingness, which for me is what FF games were all about.
Square Enix

Squaresoft


These are two very different words. Squaresoft was the past. Square Enix is the present. And because of that, they have no future.
 

Lilani

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Schadrach said:
I'd agree with everything you said about FFXIV ARR, but I wasn't fond of the gameplay as far as I took it (it might get better later, for all I know). It felt a little too...I don't know. It probably doesn't help that I quit WoW a couple of years ago and have been getting my MMO fixes from GW2, TSW, and DDO, so it may just be a clash of playstyles.
I don't know if you ever played FFXI, but it is vastly different from FFXI and definitely more like WoW. However, at least the way I played it, there's still an element of planning involved. The battle system of FFXI had a very hard learning curve, and there was a lot you never learned about except by learning from other players when they realize you're doing everything wrong. FFXIV is a little clearer about these things, but there are still specific battle patterns that make your life worlds easier. I only ever got to about level 9 when the level 3 beta ended, but as black mage I learned a very neat trick.

By level 3 or 5, you have both the spells blizzard and fire. And right around that time you learn an ability called transpose. See whenever you cast blizzard, you get a very brief effect on you called "umbral ice." Then if you cast fire, you get an effect called "astral fire." And if you cast one spell while you have the opposite effect up (like if you cast blizzard while astral fire is up) then the effect simply cancels out. Umbral ice decreases the damage of fire spells while increasing MP regen, while astral fire increases the effectiveness and the MP cost of fire spells, but decreases MP regen. So basically, casting a bunch of fire spells in a row will use up your MP quickly but gives you powerful spells, but if you keep umbral ice up then you regain your MP really fast.

That's where transpose comes in. Transpose switches out whichever effect you have for the other without having to cast a spell. So in order to switch from astral fire to umbral ice, rather than having to cast two ice spells (one to cancel fire and the other to give you the effect) you can just use transpose and get that MP regen effect going immediately. So the most efficient way to do it is spam fire until your MP is about out, use transpose to switch into umbral ice, and spam blizzard spells to keep umbral ice up until your MP is restored. The effect of ice and fire lasts less than 10 seconds, so you have to cast the spells pretty frequently in order to keep them going.

And I hear there are similar tricks for other classes, as well. It really makes you think about what you're doing, and forces you to plan ahead. For example, casting blizzard also has a chance of giving the enemy the effect of heavy, which slows them down. So before you engage a tough enemy in battle, you have to think--do you want to start with an onslaught of powerful fire spells to kill it quickly, or keep it toned down at first with ice spells and give yourself a longer amount of time before the enemy catches up with you to attack? Or perhaps a kiting strategy, where you use ice from a long distance away, transpose and switch to fire, and when it catches up with you transpose and cast ice again to keep your distance until it's dead?

I'm not sure how intuitive WoW is in this respect, and I haven't battled in a party yet so I'm not sure how those dynamics work, but I will say I'm intrigued by this particular aspect of the battle system. While the FFXI battle system was overly-complicated at times, it made for a very engaging battle system once you got the hang of it. It wasn't just hack and slash until it's dead--you had to think and use your abilities most efficiently for the situation in front of you. And I'm glad to see they kept this strategic aspect in FFXIV, while at the same time making the battle system more reasonable for new players.
 

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Ever single complaint I've read can be directly compared to another ff game and be
A) complete bullshit compliant
B) valid, but no where as bad another ff game with is lorded as great (ie. Too modern but ff7 & ff8 are the most modern one I've seen in terms of setting)
 

Nemu

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I, too, am a long-time FF fan (dating back to NES) and I'm looking forward to XV. Then again, I've been thoroughly disappointed with every game since IX (and that took a couple of playthroughs to get me to like it) but I am a big enough fangirl still to buy them. I honestly don't have HIGH hopes for the game but I want to play it and give the new world a chance.

Before you give up on the franchise, tho, take a chance during next month's open beta and try A Realm Reborn, which I have been thoroughly enjoying. It is A LOT better than the previous version of FFXIV (which I tested and hated, but purchased just to include in my FF collection). It kinda hearkens back to the spirit of the older games (VII and earlier) and is a fun world to explore and (especially) craft in.