I must quote this for all of the truth that it contains. I hope nothing happens to Rankin for technically breaking the first amendment because that would make me very sad.Sir John the Net Knight said:
Westboro Baptist Church is thwarted!
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*sigh* This is exactly what the WBC wants. I expect to hear about a major law suit being lodged against the town of Rankin. Violating the freedom of speech of anyone - even those with deplorable messages - is unconstitutional.
The story shouldn't be about the beating and illegal detention of people. It should be about Jason Rogers's service and his ultimate sacrifice to his country. I give thanks to him, and pray that his family finds solace in their time of grief and loss.
The story shouldn't be about the beating and illegal detention of people. It should be about Jason Rogers's service and his ultimate sacrifice to his country. I give thanks to him, and pray that his family finds solace in their time of grief and loss.
Because Christianity is all about vigilantism, not mercy.Hatchet90 said:
Hahaha! Thats fantastic!
Perfect example of a community pulling together to say a massive "Fuck you!" to those bigoted twatrackets.
Seriously, I abhor the WBC. I honestly can't understand how they haven't been shot yet.
If anyone should die, it is that fucking family. I hope their 'church' is hit by lightning.
I seriously despise the Phelps.
Perfect example of a community pulling together to say a massive "Fuck you!" to those bigoted twatrackets.
Seriously, I abhor the WBC. I honestly can't understand how they haven't been shot yet.
If anyone should die, it is that fucking family. I hope their 'church' is hit by lightning.
I seriously despise the Phelps.
Then maybe your total freedom of speech needs to be updated. Excluding the Phelps entirely would be a good update.Fleischer said:
You Americans and your total freedom of speech. If they can't take a punch in the jaw for saying it, then they shouldn't say it
I'm surprised no one has tried to disband that church. Yeah, it's Christian and their are First Amendment rights and all but there's gotta be a limit. Like satanism, that's considered a cult while the psychos who do it believe it's a religion, do we leave em alone? Fuck no, we get in there and kick their asses. The First Amendment may be why the US was founded but it has to have a limit somewhere right? I know someone is probably gonna quote me and go,"there are limits stupid," or,"there can't be limits or there would be anarchy!", but they're protesting FUNERALS!!! In every culture around the world, from the tribes of Kenya, to the Native Americans of old, and even the Greeks all established Rites to the Dead. It's a solemn occasion, no matter if you know the deceased or are not even part of the funeral, you do not do something like a protest! The entire point of Antigone was Antigone's defiance of the highest court, who said not to bury her brother, and did it anyways, why? Because the gods decreed it and she loved her brother no matte what he did, even if he was a traitor. We go through many lengths to pay our respects to the dead, but how can these people call themselves Christians for protesting at someone's funeral!? Protest the war, protest gay marriage if your that big a homophobe and that afraid of change, but, for the love of their God and mine, don't protest a soldier's funeral!
I'm divided on this. I hate the Westboro Baptist Fraud Church. But if this county can do it to them (considering that the Supreme Court has guaranteed the WBC's RIGHT to do as they do) what's to stop them from doing this to you and me?
Still, WBC got what they deserved.
Still, WBC got what they deserved.
First ammendment applies to agents of the state, not members of the public.believer258 said:
Even if the state were actively silencing these people, I could argue it a couple ways:
First, given past behaviour of the WBC, their presence might incite a riot, meaning that they should be excluded from the area until such a time that their presence does not endanger them or other members of the public.
Second, picketing a funeral is not only distasteful but also causes real emotional and mental distress to mourners and, in this case, a good chunk of the general public. Though they have the right to speak and to express themselves in whatever manner they choose, they do not have the right to harm others while they do so.
Honestly I'm surprised that no one has attempted get them on this yet. Unless they have and I'm wrong. In which case they should try again.
As for agents of the state subtly silencing people, I think we can call this an exceptional circumstance and move on. Nice to know they can act with subtlety and restraint anyway
This is so unbelievably true. Whether the WBC consists of trolls that live of lawsuits or true morons, this is just unacceptable. Someone needs to put them in their place. Freedom of speech should not be allowed to be bent like this.Hectix777 said:
believer258 said:
Its only against the first amendment if it is sanctioned by a governmental body. The first amendment does not prevent an individual from determining what can and cannot be said in their presence. Now the consequences of their actions based upon said determination are a different story. Basically if I don't like what you say I am free to beat the hell out of you. I will then be punished for said beating but not for preventing your freedom of speech.Saltyk said:
Reading between the lines it seems pretty clear that everyone was together in this effort, including the police department, but unless it was officially planned by a governmental body there isn't a lot that those scumbags can do.
Am I the only one who thinks this is funny? One, or many, committed assault by beating that one protester, others lied about not seeing said assault and thus helped the criminal(s), others committed a crime by purposely blocking the protesters vehicles. All of this was done to deny a group their first amendment right, the same right Sgt. Rogers was entrusted to protect and died for, so that they couldn't protest at Sgt. Rogers funeral?
I can't think of many better ways to disrespect someone who died for their country then to deny a group of people their rights, once again the rights the dead man died for, in some kind of twisted way to honor said dead person.
Ever police officer involved with this should be put on leave without pay and investigated, if they are found to have actively helped to deny this group their right to protest and to have like other people get away with criminal activity then they should be fired on the spot.
As much as I disagree with this church's illogical, irrational, ignorant beliefs, they are well within their right to protest and just because you don't like what they have to say doesn't give you he right, nor the justification, to break the law. If one actually believed that it does give them that right, or justification, then that belief would just be as ignorant and illogical as the church's beliefs that they so despise.
I can't think of many better ways to disrespect someone who died for their country then to deny a group of people their rights, once again the rights the dead man died for, in some kind of twisted way to honor said dead person.
Ever police officer involved with this should be put on leave without pay and investigated, if they are found to have actively helped to deny this group their right to protest and to have like other people get away with criminal activity then they should be fired on the spot.
As much as I disagree with this church's illogical, irrational, ignorant beliefs, they are well within their right to protest and just because you don't like what they have to say doesn't give you he right, nor the justification, to break the law. If one actually believed that it does give them that right, or justification, then that belief would just be as ignorant and illogical as the church's beliefs that they so despise.
I disagree. Abortion is constitutional but I feel strongly against it morally. The same thing goes here. Its not like the constitution is the pinnacle of morality and judgment within the world and I believe developing your own thought doesn't need to rely as something black and white as the constitution.Fleischer said:*sigh* This is exactly what the WBC wants. I expect to hear about a major law suit being lodged against the town of Rankin. Violating the freedom of speech of anyone - even those with deplorable messages - is unconstitutional.
The story shouldn't be about the beating and illegal detention of people. It should be about Jason Rogers's service and his ultimate sacrifice to his country. I give thanks to him, and pray that his family finds solace in their time of grief and loss.
Because Christianity is all about vigilantism, not mercy.Hatchet90 said:
These WBC are inconsiderate dicks that know how to work within the law. They deserve whatever befalls them.
I would not say that they broke the first amendment they were not arrested while at the funeral for any reason other then being a suspect in a active investigation also i am sorry to say this but all problums CAN be solved with violense but only have varying degress of sucsess not always the best answear but almost always a solution. as was said in starship troopers "naked force has solved more conflicts in history then any other means" i think havent seen it in a while
"Police were called but their wrecker service was running behind and it was going to be a few hours before they could tow the trucks so the Kansas plated cars could get out."
Read as: We know they're Westboros here to picket the funeral and are choosing not to respond.
This was handled flawlessly, and must be used as an example on how to handle them in the future. Not how I would handle it, if it were up to me, but it's not, and this is definitely the next best thing.
Read as: We know they're Westboros here to picket the funeral and are choosing not to respond.
This was handled flawlessly, and must be used as an example on how to handle them in the future. Not how I would handle it, if it were up to me, but it's not, and this is definitely the next best thing.