What alignment is Ozymandias?

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Mercanary57 said:
This is rather hard.
I'd say either Chaotic Good, or Lawful Evil.
These were the two that I thought as well. Usually lawful evil is about selfish intentions, but Ozy didn't do to make himself look good. Then again, Chaotic good are notorious for not following the rules, but using their actions for the greater good. Do the number of deaths make him evil?
 

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Deathkingo said:
Mercanary57 said:
This is rather hard.
I'd say either Chaotic Good, or Lawful Evil.
These were the two that I thought as well. Usually lawful evil is about selfish intentions, but Ozy didn't do to make himself look good. Then again, Chaotic good are notorious for not following the rules, but using their actions for the greater good. Do the number of deaths make him evil?
Not exactly.
A good number of video game characters are Chaotic Good, killing a great deal of things in order to do something good (Such as killing a bunch of Marines in Half-Life.)
 
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AkJay said:
Ozymandas - Chaotic Good
Rorschach - Chaotic Neutral
Comedian - Chaotic Evil
Nite Owl - Lawful Good
Dr. Manhattan - Lawful Neutral
Silk Spectre... She's either Neutral Good, or Lawful Evil, I can't decide

Feel free to update this as you please.
Disagree. Comedian is Lawful Evil. He works totally within the law; it's just not the LAW law.

Nite Owl is Chaotic Good as he never joined up. He's actually working against the Law with the Owl ship.
Manhattan is True Neutral because alignments mean nothing to him.
Rorschach is CN. No doubt there.
Spectre is NG, she's not brave enough to go against the Law but too smart to go with it.

Ozymandias is Lawful Neutral. All he's doing is saving the world. Whether it wants it or not.

However...
Comedian pushes towards NE in the case of Vietnam (despite appearing LE), Doc Manhattan pushes towards Neutral Good because of seeing a spark in humanity (Law/Chaos still doesn't touch him).
Ozymandias is one of the few that stays LN. Killing Rorschach and his helpers wasn't anything more than a necessity. There's even a case that you could argue Ozymandias was Lawful Good. That's what makes him so scary. He's doing things within the Law (It's the Alien that triggers People to back down) and for the Greater Good (World Peace).
 

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Mercanary57 said:
Deathkingo said:
Mercanary57 said:
This is rather hard.
I'd say either Chaotic Good, or Lawful Evil.
These were the two that I thought as well. Usually lawful evil is about selfish intentions, but Ozy didn't do to make himself look good. Then again, Chaotic good are notorious for not following the rules, but using their actions for the greater good. Do the number of deaths make him evil?
Not exactly.
A good number of video game characters are Chaotic Good, killing a great deal of things in order to do something good (Such as killing a bunch of Marines in Half-Life.)
Well, if deaths play no part in it, then he would be Chaotic good. Then again, "good" and "evil" are both relative terms that apply to every situation differently.
 

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Wow, my dad and I were just talking about this yesterday, and we also found him to be the hard one.

coxafloppin said:
Chaotic good?
That's pretty much my best guess, he's doing something illegal and otherwise very questionable, but with the intention of preventing nuclear war.

As for other alignments:
Dr. Manhattan-True Neutral.
Nite Owl II-Lawful Good.
Silk Specter II-Neutral Good.
The Comedian-Chaotic Evil. Edit: As Root pointed out, he's working within the law. I considered him chaotic since he's mostly being a mercenary, the lawful part is just his permission to do so.
Rorschach (I'm gonna get flamed for this)-Lawful Evil. Now before someone mentions that he's a vigilante and a rather psycho one at that, he's also a moral absolutist, hence the lawful part. The Evil part is where the problem occurs (i.e whether you agree with him or not), and what I'll get flamed for.
 

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AkJay said:
Ozymandas - Chaotic Good
Rorschach - Chaotic Good
Comedian - Chaotic Evil
Nite Owl - Lawful Good
Dr. Manhattan - Lawful Neutral
Silk Spectre... She's either Neutral Good, or Lawful Evil, I can't decide

Feel free to update this as you please.
*cough*

Updated.

Ozy would ALSO be Chaotic good, but not in the way Rorsach is.
 

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
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I do not think that Rorschach is chaotic neutral. He never switches to a true "evil" side, he always believes he is doing things for the "greater good".
 

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A random person said:
Wow, my dad and I were just talking about this yesterday, and we also found him to be the hard one.

coxafloppin said:
Chaotic good?
That's pretty much my best guess, he's doing something illegal and otherwise very questionable, but with the intention of preventing nuclear war.

As for other alignments:
Dr. Manhattan-True Neutral.
Nite Owl II-Lawful Good.
Silk Specter II-Neutral Good.
The Comedian-Chaotic Evil.
Rorschach (I'm gonna get flamed for this)-Lawful Evil. Now before someone mentions that he's a vigilante and a rather psycho one at that, he's also a moral absolutist, hence the lawful part. The Evil part is where the problem occurs, and what I'll get flamed for.
*Gets flame thrower*

"Rawr."

Seriously though, I think it's Chaotic Good, because he does good but in a sinister way, no way is he "Lawful" as the law is after him, and he takes it in his own hands (like most of the minuteman/watchman) but it's ultimately for a good cause.

Exaplain how he's Lawful, and Evil then we'll talk =P I just think you have your order reversed :D
 

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
Ozymandias is Lawful Neutral. All he's doing is saving the world. Whether it wants it or not.
Isn't that pretty much what Chaotic Good is? He's following his own moral compass, doing what he thinks is good. The deaths he caused were sacrificed he was prepared to make for the greater good.
Comedian is Lawful Evil. He works totally within the law; it's just not the LAW law.
Care to explain that one as well? Isn't he more Chaotic Evil? He basically does whatever he likes and tries to take what he wants without thinking about what other people want, like the Silk Spectre. He doesn't care he hurts people as long as he has what he wants.
 

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A random person said:
Wow, my dad and I were just talking about this yesterday, and we also found him to be the hard one.

coxafloppin said:
Chaotic good?
That's pretty much my best guess, he's doing something illegal and otherwise very questionable, but with the intention of preventing nuclear war.

As for other alignments:
Dr. Manhattan-True Neutral.
Nite Owl II-Lawful Good.
Silk Specter II-Neutral Good.
The Comedian-Chaotic Evil. Edit: As Root pointed out, he's working within the law. I considered him chaotic since he's mostly being a mercenary, the lawful part is just his permission to do so.
Rorschach (I'm gonna get flamed for this)-Lawful Evil. Now before someone mentions that he's a vigilante and a rather psycho one at that, he's also a moral absolutist, hence the lawful part. The Evil part is where the problem occurs (i.e whether you agree with him or not), and what I'll get flamed for.
Ignore, I didn't see my other post come through so I tried to retype it >.<
 

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dududf said:
A random person said:
Wow, my dad and I were just talking about this yesterday, and we also found him to be the hard one.

coxafloppin said:
Chaotic good?
That's pretty much my best guess, he's doing something illegal and otherwise very questionable, but with the intention of preventing nuclear war.

As for other alignments:
Dr. Manhattan-True Neutral.
Nite Owl II-Lawful Good.
Silk Specter II-Neutral Good.
The Comedian-Chaotic Evil.
Rorschach (I'm gonna get flamed for this)-Lawful Evil. Now before someone mentions that he's a vigilante and a rather psycho one at that, he's also a moral absolutist, hence the lawful part. The Evil part is where the problem occurs, and what I'll get flamed for.
*Gets flame thrower*

"Rawr."

Seriously though, I think it's Chaotic Good, because he does good but in a sinister way, no way is he "Lawful" as the law is after him, and he takes it in his own hands (like most of the minuteman/watchman) but it's ultimately for a good cause.

Exaplain how he's Lawful, and Evil then we'll talk =P I just think you have your order reversed :D
I said he was lawful because he was doing things by a sort of moral code, though there's no question that he's breaking the actual law. Basically he's lawful, just of a different law.

As for the evil part, that's where I sensed problems. You could argue he's good because he believed he was doing so, that one probably comes down to your views.
 

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dududf said:
A random person said:
Wow, my dad and I were just talking about this yesterday, and we also found him to be the hard one.

coxafloppin said:
Chaotic good?
That's pretty much my best guess, he's doing something illegal and otherwise very questionable, but with the intention of preventing nuclear war.

As for other alignments:
Dr. Manhattan-True Neutral.
Nite Owl II-Lawful Good.
Silk Specter II-Neutral Good.
The Comedian-Chaotic Evil.
Rorschach (I'm gonna get flamed for this)-Lawful Evil. Now before someone mentions that he's a vigilante and a rather psycho one at that, he's also a moral absolutist, hence the lawful part. The Evil part is where the problem occurs, and what I'll get flamed for.
*Gets flame thrower*

"Rawr."

Seriously though, I think it's Chaotic Good, because he does good but in a sinister way, no way is he "Lawful" as the law is after him, and he takes it in his own hands (like most of the minuteman/watchman) but it's ultimately for a good cause.

Exaplain how he's Lawful, and Evil then we'll talk =P I just think you have your order reversed :D
I said he was lawful because he was doing things by a sort of moral code, though there's no question that he's breaking the actual law. Basically he's lawful, just of a different law.

As for the evil part, that's where I sensed problems. You could argue he's good because he believed he was doing so, that one probably comes down to your views.
Aye, but wouldn't Personal Law be considered Morals?

As to the evil, if you read the Comic book, or hell even had a keen eye/ear in the movie (I think they briefly cover it) you hear him ranting about "The Filth" by filth he is reffering to corruption. He is trying to purge Corruption from the world, from which could argueably a good cause.

Ultimately yes, you're right it depends on the perspective from which you see the charecter.
 

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He sort of a deranged good. He believed he could (SPOILER WARNING BEDEEP BEDEEP BEDEEP!!!!!) unite the world against a common enemy buy killing em masse. I hate to say it but it makes sense, aka his idea was sound, but he didn't have to kill so many people. Even he isn't so sure about what he'd done. At the end of the book, he asks Dr. Manhattan if he has done the right thing. I don't remember exactly but he basically gave a flip-flop answer.

I'd put him under either Choatic Good or Deranged Good.

Oh, and by the way, reading the title of this I thought you were asking if was gay or bisexual or something.
 

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dududf said:
A random person said:
dududf said:
A random person said:
Wow, my dad and I were just talking about this yesterday, and we also found him to be the hard one.

coxafloppin said:
Chaotic good?
That's pretty much my best guess, he's doing something illegal and otherwise very questionable, but with the intention of preventing nuclear war.

As for other alignments:
Dr. Manhattan-True Neutral.
Nite Owl II-Lawful Good.
Silk Specter II-Neutral Good.
The Comedian-Chaotic Evil.
Rorschach (I'm gonna get flamed for this)-Lawful Evil. Now before someone mentions that he's a vigilante and a rather psycho one at that, he's also a moral absolutist, hence the lawful part. The Evil part is where the problem occurs, and what I'll get flamed for.
*Gets flame thrower*

"Rawr."

Seriously though, I think it's Chaotic Good, because he does good but in a sinister way, no way is he "Lawful" as the law is after him, and he takes it in his own hands (like most of the minuteman/watchman) but it's ultimately for a good cause.

Exaplain how he's Lawful, and Evil then we'll talk =P I just think you have your order reversed :D
I said he was lawful because he was doing things by a sort of moral code, though there's no question that he's breaking the actual law. Basically he's lawful, just of a different law.

As for the evil part, that's where I sensed problems. You could argue he's good because he believed he was doing so, that one probably comes down to your views.
Aye, but wouldn't Personal Law be considered Morals?

As to the evil, if you read the Comic book, or hell even had a keen eye/ear in the movie (I think they briefly cover it) you hear him ranting about "The Filth" by filth he is reffering to corruption. He is trying to purge Corruption from the world, from which could argueably a good cause.

Ultimately yes, you're right it depends on the perspective from which you see the charecter.
I just saw him as a bit of a psycho and zealot with the way he dealt with things and even some of the things he dealt with. Of course, that view is gonna get me killed, though I'll acknowledge that the basic "purging corruption" thing is noble.

As for the lawful part, you're right about his law being morals, I was just allowing leeway with my definition of lawful, though he's a very chaotic sort of lawful.
/oxymoron
 

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Captain Schpack said:
Oh, and by the way, reading the title of this I thought you were asking if was gay or bisexual or something.
Rorschach wondered the same thing.
 
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Deathkingo said:
The_root_of_all_evil said:
Snippty snadwich
I do not think that Rorschach is chaotic neutral. He never switches to a true "evil" side, he always believes he is doing things for the "greater good".
Walter Kovacs may have been Chaotic Good, but I believe that the change to Rorscach turned him Chaotic Neutral. He kills policemen because they're hunting him and tortures people. CN is the alignment of madness.
 

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I would say he's Chaotic Good. In a way, he's kind of like a mirror image of Rorschach. While Rorschach's philosophy revolves around moral absolutism with no compromises whatsoever in the name of justice, Ozy's revolves around a concept of "the greater good" where compromises and sacrifices are not only acceptable, but absolutely crucial, if justice is to prevail.

He isn't evil. At least, I don't think so. He didn't kill those people because he wanted to commit murder, or create chaos. He genuinely believed that sacrificing their lives for the safety of the planet was an even trade, and depending on your point of view, he may have actually had a point.
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