What are the benefits of same sex marriage?

[Mycroft Holmes]

Well, though civil partnerships are often legally equivalent (or nearly), they are not symbolically equal.

No. They are not legally equivalent.

Brown V Board of Education. Separate is not equal from a legal standpoint; so there is no way they can be 'equivalent.'

 

[Mad World]

"Gay people are sinful" is a judgement call. You are making a judgement.

I'm repeating what God said, though. So, it is not judging. I also think that murdering is sinful. Additionally, I think that anyone who dies as a nonbeliever (also need to accept Jesus' Gift) goes to Hell. Would either of those beliefs also be considered to be an affront to God?

God doesn't want us deciding who deserves to go to Hell; that is His job. However, if I simply mirror God's values, I am not judging.

 

[Friis]

Based on what?

Why does it have to be based off of something. In this case, Christianity. However, some people simply don't agree with it.

To judge other people's sin is an affront to your God, as written in the doctrine of Christianity. That's his job. Leave judgement to your God and try to understand your fellow human beings instead of otherising them as sinful.

I always found that the funniest(funny in the not humorous way) thing about Christianity. Historically they judge everyone, but their own literature has judging other's sins as a hell worthy offense.

I can't help but feel that the people arguing the shotgun wedding topic are either intentionally misunderstanding so that they can make really poor arguments or are ignorant of what it means. A shotgun wedding is a phrase used for a wedding that takes place because the groom got the bride pregnant and was forced to take responsibility, often times with the brides father holding a shotgun to make sure he went through with it. In the present the shotgun has less of a prominent role, yet the phrase remains.

Thus, since it is REALLY hard for homosexual couples to get one another pregnant(Nothing is impossible, they just aren't trying hard enough > ), shotgun weddings are a very unlikely result from them.

But since there's just as many heterosexual men as before, it will do nothing to lessen the amount of shotgun weddings.

 

[WenisPagon]

To judge other people's sin is an affront to your God, as written in the doctrine of Christianity. That's his job. Leave judgement to your God and try to understand your fellow human beings instead of otherising them as sinful.

I never judged anyone. I never said that homosexuals are automatically going to Hell (and I definitely do not think that they are). I said that I am against homosexual acts. Additionally, according to what I (as a Christian) believe in, God/Jesus would concur (about homosexual acts being abhorrent)... "as written in the doctrine of Christianity."

Obviously, many people do not believed in God. Additionally, many people accept homosexual acts as morally okay. I understand that. However, due to my set of beliefs, I do not consider it to be morally right.

If you don't agree with me, that's fine. But, do not claim that I am judging other people's sins.

"Gay people are sinful" is a judgement call. You are making a judgement.

No, that's just repeating he has been taught as fact. That you don't hold the same beliefs as him changes nothing.
By your logic, "Christian beliefs are bigoted." is just as much a judgement call.

The difference is that I do not assume otherwise, therefore I have no reason to deny that my judgement is that he is making a judgement.

If you understood logical reasoning you would know that his supposition is, in fact, a judgement. "I believe X is Y, therefore X is Z" is a logical assumption based on the presumption that Y begets Z.

 

[Friis]

Wait what? How the hell is legalizing gay marriage going to prevent shotgun marriages? Those two things have NOTHING to do with each other!
As far as I can tell, legalizing gay marriage is going to be a good first step towards showing what's wrong with marriage in general (spoiler: It's women).
More than half of all heterosexual marriages end in divorce, 70-75% of those divorces are initiated by the woman, and most of them again are no-fault divorces.
We already know that gay male relationships are the least likely to be abusive and/or violent while lesbian relationships are the most likely to be abusive and/or violent, with heterosexual relationships being somewhere in the middle of those two.
Likewise half of all domestic violence in heterosexual couples is goes both ways with the woman more often than not being the one to initiate violence, in the cases where only one partner is abusive/violent, 70% of the time it's the woman who is the abuser.
Legalizing homosexual marriage will help making this clearer by providing two control groups to compare with.

These are extraordinary claims about women, and thus require extraordinary evidence. Please cite your sources so we can examine the studies.

Oooh! I almost forgot this one!
http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

 

[Waaghpowa]

To judge other people's sin is an affront to your God, as written in the doctrine of Christianity. That's his job. Leave judgement to your God and try to understand your fellow human beings instead of otherising them as sinful.

I never judged anyone. I never said that homosexuals are automatically going to Hell (and I definitely do not think that they are). I said that I am against homosexual acts. Additionally, according to what I (as a Christian) believe in, God/Jesus would concur (about homosexual acts being abhorrent)... "as written in the doctrine of Christianity."

Obviously, many people do not believed in God. Additionally, many people accept homosexual acts as morally okay. I understand that. However, due to my set of beliefs, I do not consider it to be morally right.

If you don't agree with me, that's fine. But, do not claim that I am judging other people's sins.

"Gay people are sinful" is a judgement call. You are making a judgement.

What he said.

"Judge not, lest ye be judged" - Jesus Fucking Christ, the guy Christianity is named after.

"Judgement ultimately lies with God" - Pope Francis [Paraphrashed]

Also, traditionally, marriage was a financial arrangement between two families to combine their wealth and resources.

 

[Evil Smurf]

I forgot to thank you for your help! I've many wonderful quotes!

 

[Abomination]

"Gay people are sinful" is a judgement call. You are making a judgement.

I'm repeating what God said, though. So, it is not judging. I also think that murdering is sinful. Additionally, I think that anyone who dies as a nonbeliever (also need to accept Jesus' Gift) goes to Hell. Would either of those beliefs also be considered to be an affront to God?

God doesn't want us deciding who deserves to go to Hell; that is His job. However, if I simply mirror God's values, I am not judging.

I think folks would take it a bit better if you explained WHY God (supposedly) views homosexuality in such a poor light.

To be quite blunt, stating you believe something is wrong because a book tells you its wrong - without providing context as to why it is wrong - is a good way for others to view you as bigoted and a sheep at the same time.

 

[Mad World]

Also, traditionally, marriage was a financial arrangement between two families to combine their wealth and resources.

Interesting, but I wasn't referring to that.

Again, I never judged; I'm repeating Jesus' values. If He wasn't against homosexual marriage, I wouldn't be.

Now, you could start that whole "Jesus never meant x..." debate, but that's another issue.

 

[WenisPagon]

Also, traditionally, marriage was a financial arrangement between two families to combine their wealth and resources.

Interesting, but I wasn't referring to that.

Again, I never judged; I'm repeating Jesus' values. If He wasn't against homosexual marriage, I wouldn't be.

Now, you could start that whole "Jesus never meant x..." debate, but that's another issue.

Please tell me where in the bible Jesus himself states he is against homosexuality or the marriage of homosexuals. The only reference to such I'm aware of is in Leviticus which is an awful and outdated Old Testament book that was written ostensibly for political and socioeconomic reasons.

 

[snekadid]

Based on what?

Why does it have to be based off of something. In this case, Christianity. However, some people simply don't agree with it.

To judge other people's sin is an affront to your God, as written in the doctrine of Christianity. That's his job. Leave judgement to your God and try to understand your fellow human beings instead of otherising them as sinful.

I always found that the funniest(funny in the not humorous way) thing about Christianity. Historically they judge everyone, but their own literature has judging other's sins as a hell worthy offense.

I can't help but feel that the people arguing the shotgun wedding topic are either intentionally misunderstanding so that they can make really poor arguments or are ignorant of what it means. A shotgun wedding is a phrase used for a wedding that takes place because the groom got the bride pregnant and was forced to take responsibility, often times with the brides father holding a shotgun to make sure he went through with it. In the present the shotgun has less of a prominent role, yet the phrase remains.

Thus, since it is REALLY hard for homosexual couples to get one another pregnant(Nothing is impossible, they just aren't trying hard enough > ), shotgun weddings are a very unlikely result from them.

But since there's just as many heterosexual men as before, it will do nothing to lessen the amount of shotgun weddings.

But the claim is that they do not create more. It doesn't say that they will prevent heterosexual couples from being stupid(MAGICAL GAYS!!!!!). It claims that Homosexual couples will not add to the number of shotgun weddings which are typically regarded as unstable due to being immature relationships formed from sudden responsibility(that also have little time to form real bonds before they have to take care of a child).

You're intentionally misreading it in a way that allows you to attack the OP and its annoying.

 

[Silvanus]

No. They are not legally equivalent.

Brown V Board of Education. Separate is not equal from a legal standpoint; so there is no way they can be 'equivalent.'

I'm not American, but I recognise your point.

I meant that they both merit similar legal privileges, at least here in the UK (though, of course, that isn't the point).

 

[Waaghpowa]

Also, traditionally, marriage was a financial arrangement between two families to combine their wealth and resources.

Interesting, but I wasn't referring to that.

Again, I never judged; I'm repeating Jesus' values. If He wasn't against homosexual marriage, I wouldn't be.

Now, you could start that whole "Jesus never meant x..." debate, but that's another issue.

Also, traditionally, marriage was a financial arrangement between two families to combine their wealth and resources.

Interesting, but I wasn't referring to that.

Again, I never judged; I'm repeating Jesus' values. If He wasn't against homosexual marriage, I wouldn't be.

Now, you could start that whole "Jesus never meant x..." debate, but that's another issue.

Please tell me where in the bible Jesus himself states he is against homosexuality or the marriage of homosexuals. The only reference to such I'm aware of is in Leviticus which is an awful and outdated Old Testament book that was written ostensibly for political and socioeconomic reasons.

Again, what he said. Find the passage where Jesus says any of this. As far as I'm concerned, this is what actually happend.

 

[Abomination]

Based on what?

Why does it have to be based off of something. In this case, Christianity. However, some people simply don't agree with it.

To judge other people's sin is an affront to your God, as written in the doctrine of Christianity. That's his job. Leave judgement to your God and try to understand your fellow human beings instead of otherising them as sinful.

I always found that the funniest(funny in the not humorous way) thing about Christianity. Historically they judge everyone, but their own literature has judging other's sins as a hell worthy offense.

I can't help but feel that the people arguing the shotgun wedding topic are either intentionally misunderstanding so that they can make really poor arguments or are ignorant of what it means. A shotgun wedding is a phrase used for a wedding that takes place because the groom got the bride pregnant and was forced to take responsibility, often times with the brides father holding a shotgun to make sure he went through with it. In the present the shotgun has less of a prominent role, yet the phrase remains.

Thus, since it is REALLY hard for homosexual couples to get one another pregnant(Nothing is impossible, they just aren't trying hard enough > ), shotgun weddings are a very unlikely result from them.

But since there's just as many heterosexual men as before, it will do nothing to lessen the amount of shotgun weddings.

But the claim is that they do not create more. It doesn't say that they will prevent heterosexual couples from being stupid(MAGICAL GAYS!!!!!). It claims that Homosexual couples will not add to the number of shotgun weddings which are typically regarded as unstable due to being immature relationships formed from sudden responsibility(that also have little time to form real bonds before they have to take care of a child).

You're intentionally misreading it in a way that allows you to attack the OP and its annoying.

Proportionately the inclusion of homosexual weddings will reduce the proportionate number of shotgun weddings.

At the same time that's not exactly a "good" thing but it's not a "bad" thing either as the number of shotgun weddings would remain the same.

 

[Mad World]

Please tell me where in the bible Jesus himself states he is against homosexuality or the marriage of homosexuals. The only reference to such I'm aware of is in Leviticus which is an awful and outdated Old Testament book that was written ostensibly for political and socioeconomic reasons.

Sorry if I caused confusion. Never meant to imply that Jesus Himself said anything regarding homosexual marriage (I can see how one could misunderstand what I meant). I typically use "God" and "Jesus" interchangeably.

There is mention of homosexuality in the New Testament, if you're interested.

1 Timothy 1:9?10; Romans 1:26?27; 1 Corinthians 6:9?10.

 

[Insideout Ink Demon]

i'm guessing the benefit is, that you are just as free to show you're love for your partner regardless of your sexual orientation.

or do you mean what are the benifits over hetro marriage? none really, its just 2 people in love living happy. may need some help along the way if they want to start a family, but hey, so do some unfortunate hetro couples too.

 

[Evil Smurf]

i'm guessing the benefit is, that you are just as free to show you're love for your partner regardless of your sexual orientation.

or do you mean what are the benifits over hetro marriage? none really, its just 2 people in love living happy. may need some help along the way if they want to start a family, but hey, so do some unfortunate hetro couples too.

The socio-economic benefits. I'm not looking for an anti gay or straight people thread.

 

[Insideout Ink Demon]

i'm guessing the benefit is, that you are just as free to show you're love for your partner regardless of your sexual orientation.

or do you mean what are the benifits over hetro marriage? none really, its just 2 people in love living happy. may need some help along the way if they want to start a family, but hey, so do some unfortunate hetro couples too.

The socio-economic benefits. I'm not looking for an anti gay or straight people thread.

hmmmm not sure, i'm guessing building us more to acceptance, and therefore energy not wasted on hate, less medical bills for being beaten up for the way you were born

sorry i havent got anything better, i misread your original intention

 

[snekadid]

Again, what he said. Find the passage where Jesus says any of this. As far as I'm concerned, this is what actually happend.

I just thought I'd do the gentlemanly thing and inform you that I am stealing your picture good sir. It made me smile far too much to leave it just lying around.

 

[Evil Smurf]

i'm guessing the benefit is, that you are just as free to show you're love for your partner regardless of your sexual orientation.

or do you mean what are the benifits over hetro marriage? none really, its just 2 people in love living happy. may need some help along the way if they want to start a family, but hey, so do some unfortunate hetro couples too.

The socio-economic benefits. I'm not looking for an anti gay or straight people thread.

hmmmm not sure, i'm guessing building us more to acceptance, and therefore energy not wasted on hate, less medical bills for being beaten up for the way you were born

sorry i havent got anything better, I misread your original intention

That's a good one. Thanks!