What are the pros and benefits of a Mac?

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Erana

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At least in my experience, I have a much more enjoyable computing experience on a Mac because it doesn't make me want to scream every time I try to do something new. I just got a new computer because my Macbook is on its last legs after years of good service and being vastly more reliable from both a hardware and software perspective, (though I think that's prolly just my weird computer juju and doesn't apply to everyone, I'm sure) and its a PC with windows 7.
Holy fucking shit, there are so many dumb, dumb dumb design choices!

I wanna use my graphics tablet with my new computer? Well, they bundled all their software with their tablet computer software and settings, so in order to not have a hideous circlie-thingy appear every single time that my pen is making contact to the tablet for more than a second, (AKA: every single stroke) I have to go disable some bullshit setting that's on by default. And then I still have to deal with it changing my cursor without letting me change it, and every time I click something, there's still this little grey blip that appears that can only be disabled by editing registry keys. Oh, and the functionality of my tablet pens' second and third buttons is pretty much nothing now. Even though on OSX (and Windows XP for that matter) it could be set to a third click, or a right click, the closest thing I can do to getting a normal right-click is a process now involving holding down the secondary button until an indicator fills up, then left-clicking by tapping the pen.

In terms of hardware, at least compared to the PC laptops I've experienced now and in the past, the touch pad for Macbooks are by far the best track pads I've ever known. Let's just put it this way: on my Macbook, I'm as good as with the track pad as I am with a mouse. And the software for swiping is better, as well. And my pinky doesn't ache when I use the COMMAND button on a Mac keyboard, while the CTRL button's PC location has always baffled me.

Also, I plugged in my mic/headphone combo so I could play some TF2, only to find that the mic automatically channels any devices like this to a seperate "communications device" audio channel and will only allow audio input from programs like skype or mumble, and automatically send any other audio through the computer's speaker. You know how you fix this? You disable the device. You know, like what you do when you want to make your other speakers not work at all. And then the computer will recognize it as normal headphones.

Oh, and to make the computer stop instantly full-screening something when you bring it to the top of the screen, you have to change a setting in the ease of access center. That makes no sense.

Oh, and this insistence on changing every damn thing between operating system versions is another complete pain! Now, I did grow up on PC, and this has plagued me all my life. When I was a toddler, I was crying over our switching from Windows 3.1 to Windows 95, because so many things were changed, and this frustration still plagues me to this day.
My mother's work website stuff will only work with vanilla Internet Explorer in compatibility mode, but it stopped working the other night, but for some reason, it wasn't allowing her to log in, so I try to go through general troubleshooting (clean caches, disable anti-malware, etc) and Everything's in a completely different place. Java's in a different place. The Control Panel's both laid out and grouped differently from previous OSs. There are so many changes to things that most users will use so infrequently that trying to use them means spending an extra several minutes figuring out what Microsoft thought would be more "convenient."

And good God, MS Word. What did they do to you, old friend? (I know this is old news, but I've managed to avoid it up until now)

Oh, and Manufactuer's Bloatware. Screw you if you dare not build a machine yourself. And good luck trying to get rid of it all.

And then all these other little things that are so damn shabby. Like when the computer tries to ask you if it can run a new program or change an important setting or something- its gotta pause, flash to black, then grey everything out except for the text box, then flash black again before returning to your normal screen after you tell it yes or no. That's just so sloppy! How have these sort of visual issues not been ironed out yet? And those text boxes from the start bar have certainly improved from previous OSs, but they're still a headache. And the different types of the same OS? Nothing's more annoying then thinking that I've found the answer to my problem, only to find that the setting I'm looking for doesn't exist on my version of Windows 7? Also, why can't I toggle constant administrator access on a Home edition? Oh, and the AUTOMATIC UPDATE RESTART BULLSHIT. And the location of the window that allows you to change the settings for that has, again, changed from previous OSs. This means another hunt for a specific setting that may or may not have a new name.

Constantly babysitting multiple anti-malware programs and having the constant issue of them potentially screwing up your other programs (one of which was causing the aforementioned problem with my mother's work website, and kept causing the problem until I uninstalled the program) is a hassle. On other OSs, if you're like me and are decently internet-savvy, don't torrent and don't use porn, just an occasional monitoring of running services and scans are all you'll need to keep yourself clean of malware.

Oh, and the thing I hold against Microsoft the most strongly is that new OSs and updates are almost always broken. You have to wait for who knows how long until you know that new updates from Microsoft won't harm your data, your workflow, or make you altogether unable to use software you were using previously. A new operating system with Mac works. It works, its almost always superior to the previous OS in every way, and its $30. And though we're not talking Linux here, even that is more reliable than Windows. At least, if something breaks and you were using a verified stable version of something, its prolly your own damn fault.


All that being said, I don't think OSX is the Mecca of computing and that we should all convert to the giant, white fruit. We all have our personal preferences and our own specific computing needs. I, personally, would rather deal with using Wine on a OSX than deal with Windows. I know that, even though it makes no sense to me whatsoever, some people totally jive with the logic of the people who decide to put things here or there on Windows 7. And as I said before, I grew up PC. I can totally understand why people would prefer it, though those strengths of the OS are totally not worth it to me. Though the more I use this computer now, the more I find that the only true advantage I can find over OSX and Linux is simply that its so damn common, everything seems to be compatible with it. And I can't really give it much kudos for just being big in the grand scheme of things when on a personal level, the threat of a voided warranty is the only thing keeping me from wiping the hard drive completely and installing the first non-Microsoft OS I can find.

;-; I just hate using Windows. I hate it so much.
 

Yopaz

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Macs don't get as many viruses, thus they are super safe!

This is wrong. Macs get some viruses, but they don't get a lot. That means most users don't bother with virus control. Quite recently a virus for Apple's OS was causing a lot of damage here because it hacked bank people's bank accounts. The user base haven't been big enough for hackers to target it in the past, with a growing user base comes a growing hacking community.

Calibanbutcher said:
But is simple processing power everything?
The Mac UI is supremely polished and easy to use, yet fast enough for daily use.
Do I want a giant throbbing elite-pc that looms over me like a black monolith in my sleep?
Do I want the hassle of building my own PC?
Or do I maybe even want a laptop? With specs that are slightly above average at best but which alse features great looks and easy to use interface?

I for one chose a mac.
I like that it's so easy to use.
I like that it runs smoothly and I admit, I like the fact that it looks great.

Also on the "more expensive" part:

I have had my Macbook (13.3") for 6 years now and I admit, that it was not exactly cheap, but in these 6 years, my Mac has not once crashed on me, it has not once failed me and it still runs like a charm, although it has become somewhat slow as of late.
In the same time, my brother burned through 3 different windows laptops (Asus, Dell, Acer) and now has bought himself a new gaming rig.
I on the other hand have a PS3 and my Macbook and, in the end, I came out ahead financially, seeing as he spent more on Laptops (before getting the gaming rig mind you), than I spent on my Macbook, my PS3 and my guitar amplifier.

My opinion:
Go with whatever you feel more comfortable with.
I have a fully functional Dell from 2006 and it's been running without any issues since I got it. Personal experiences are different based on the users, I am sure you are a moderately careful user so you have managed because of that rather than the quality of the product, I have seen people who managed critical system crashes on the same Dell I've got after a few months. Most issues people have with any kind of computer can be blamed on the user. Still, I have to agree with what you say, use the one you're comfortable with, but Apple might have an advantage for those who don't need gaming computers or don't care about upgrading and that stuff.
 

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neonit said:
Nimzabaat said:
I'm seeing a lot of "less susceptible to viruses" comments but that really isn't true. Hackers don't make viruses for Macs because they are not used for anything important (business, gaming etc)....
why yes, thats the point. macs are less common, therefore there are less viruses written for macs. the really old and uncommon OS have little to none viruses to fear at all.

its not that they are "better prepared for viruses" its just that there are less viruses for them around, therefore chance of getting one should (and often is) lower.
Well not anymore. With the increasing popularity of macs the number of malware available for them has skyrocketed and because mac users generally don't have any protection they are more suspectible then PC users.
 

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Ok well with Mac it is better for Media work as it has specific programs that are standard in the media fields are Mac only. Mac computers also have the truest colours which makes them ideal for art and design. Mac's have a lot of software built into the OS which is useful for webdesign. Mac's are also a lot less prone to viruses but really that is only because it is a less common OS if the opposite was true than the same could be said for windows. Also Mac OS tends to be the more innovative than windows if you actually use both you will see each generation Windows copies Mac a little more. You didn't ask for the cons of Mac so I won't list them but there are a couple.


Unless you are working in some media form Mac really isn't worth your time for the most part however. You can get Windows for half the price and as long as you are fairly used to it you should be fine operating it plus it is better for gaming by a long shot.

Me being a Multimedia designer I use Mac more than Windows but I do use both for different things.
 

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pffh said:
neonit said:
Nimzabaat said:
I'm seeing a lot of "less susceptible to viruses" comments but that really isn't true. Hackers don't make viruses for Macs because they are not used for anything important (business, gaming etc)....
why yes, thats the point. macs are less common, therefore there are less viruses written for macs. the really old and uncommon OS have little to none viruses to fear at all.

its not that they are "better prepared for viruses" its just that there are less viruses for them around, therefore chance of getting one should (and often is) lower.
Well not anymore. With the increasing popularity of macs the number of malware available for them has skyrocketed and because mac users generally don't have any protection they are more suspectible then PC users.
This is not true at all but it will become true eventually if trends continue.
 

BiscuitTrouser

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There is no legitimate reason to buy any hardware from apple. Apple have NO idea how much hardware is meant to be worth. I mean fucking seriously:

http://de.acidcow.com/pics/20100909/mac_01.jpg

Thats 1500 quid worth of hardware for 3000

However their software is actually very good. Id recommend making your own PC and buying the apple OS which is arguably very nice.
 

Erana

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Res Plus said:
Erana said:
Someone bought a Mac and now doesn't want to admit they bought a slow PC, without the inherent flexibility of real PCs, for a huge mark up. : )

Captcha: be serious now

A gentle chiding from captcha... bless you captcha
Sounds like someone didn't read the post they're quoting, seeing as the first paragraph just stated that I just bought a PC with Windows 7. Now how about you cut the attitude and try to make a meaningful contribution to the conversation?
 

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not_you said:
I don't see the point of buying a mac...

One of the main things people come up with in the "pro's" column for getting one is that it is harder to get a virus...

ever heard of anti-virus people?
Ever heard of not opening that e-mail from the nigerian prince who offered you 10 million dollars?

If you have the right programs, it can be downright impossible to get a virus on a pc...

Granted this comment comes from an avid PC gamer and one who wants to see apple burn in hell, but... I don't see the point of the "no viruses" argument... it doesn't exist if you're intelligent...
This guy people, this guy. In fact Windows 8 will have Microsoft Security Essentials pre-installed (which is free for Windows users anyway)

Speaking as a programmer I have absolutely no use for Macs. I won't be doing any iOS development as I can develop for Windows Phone on Windows for free and in a nice language and framework in dev tools I use for everything else, which aren't available on Mac. Most software I need (I.e. Gaming) is Windows only, so I'll stick to that. I'm also too heavily invested in the SkyDrive ecosystem, so it'll require me to move everything over onto a new platform.

I also have a general dislike for Apple, and a seething hatred for Steve Jobs (please don't replay saying 'have respect for the dead', it's his own fault he died and he was a childish c**t)
 

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I've got a macbook pro. The only reason bought it was because I'm programmer and it's the only way to make iOS applications annoyingly. I can't find anyway to justify the price I paid and that was even with a student discount. I hate dealing with apple fanboys as well, one of the first things I got for my mac was a program to do windows 7-esque snap feature. I had to trawl through tons of forums of people saying why people would want a windows feature like that. They are certainly the most annoying fanboys to deal with.
 

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Erana said:
You know the slapstick comedy trope where someone's doing something mundane and simple and yet everything they try seems to just explode in their face? That's what I imagine you're like using Windows 7. My only Windows 7 issue is retroactive, as it doesn't boot as fast as Windows 8, and it's pretty damn petty. Everyone I know who's used Windows 7 (except for one genuinely-idiotic Apple fangirl who hates al Windows on principle be side she's a tard) has had no issues with as much as you have. The snap is such a wonderful feature and adds fluidity to the experience. Big changes between versions is because releases are much further apart than OSX releases are, and they change to accomodate the needs of the market (Windows 7 was creating a smoother experience after how bad Vista was, Windows 8 is to have an SSI-style shared OS and to break into the modern tablet market)
 

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Pros: Incredibly delicious, nice and filling, not too expensive

Cons: Very unhealthy, can be messy

If you want a Big Mac, I say go for it.
 

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Megacherv said:
You know the slapstick comedy trope where someone's doing something mundane and simple and yet everything they try seems to just explode in their face? That's what I imagine you're like using Windows 7. My only Windows 7 issue is retroactive, as it doesn't boot as fast as Windows 8, and it's pretty damn petty. Everyone I know who's used Windows 7 (except for one genuinely-idiotic Apple fangirl who hates al Windows on principle be side she's a tard) has had no issues with as much as you have. The snap is such a wonderful feature and adds fluidity to the experience. Big changes between versions is because releases are much further apart than OSX releases are, and they change to accomodate the needs of the market (Windows 7 was creating a smoother experience after how bad Vista was, Windows 8 is to have an SSI-style shared OS and to break into the modern tablet market)
The snap feature of Windows is also a incredibly amazing tool if you need to examine two different windows side by side as I myself often have to at work, when we used XP it was a total pain in the backside having to alt tab between the two different windows just to see the relevant info.
 

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pros's
-easy to use

cons,
apple abandoned its hardware fairly fast so you are now using pc parts and paying almost twice the price
-gaming is terrible
-all apple software has an equivalent on PC
-incredibly hard to get rid of a mac based virus
- its too locked down so its near impossible to fix a problem yourself.
-restricted hardware

dumb arguments in favor of mac,
-partitioning your mac will allow you to install windows for gaming. why its dumb? why the fuck would i spend 1600$ on a machine to purchase and install another os on it so i can game properly? when i could spend half the price and have windows already installed and have a pc just as powerful.
-boot camp and wine, yeah great for classic games but with modern games its very glitchy and you are lucky to receive 30 FPS.
 

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I use exclusively Wintel desktops that I build myself, and I have no interest (okay, very limited interest) in a Mac desktop. Even their most reasonable desktop solution is insanely expensive compared to anything off the shelf, if you need something built for gaming. For your average consumer? I know a lot of folks who'd just as soon drop one or two grand on a consumer-level Mac and call it a day, especially when they can cart it into the local Apple store for help whenever they want it. Chances are, no one in this thread is one of those people.

That being said, I've owned four PC laptops and three Mac laptops over the last decade, and I've found the Macs perform more reliably across the board. However, the primary reason I purchased my most recent Macbook Pro and Macbook Air were their killer form factors. The Air, especially, is pretty much my example of a perfect productivity machine. My MBP is getting a bit long in the tooth, especially for graphics, but it still handles newer games in dual boot mode just fine. Having a very slim, solidly build machine was very important to me. I was tired of giant slugs of plastic.

Sure, I've got a cheap little netbook that I bought a couple of years before the Air, and while it got the job done, it functions just like a cheap little netbook would. It certainly wasn't bad for the price, but I'd much sooner use my tablet (Transformer Prime, no I'm not an iPad fan) to get work done on now.

Ultimately it's going to come down to how much money you're going to want to spend. If all you need is something to get by on, there's no question that some sub $500 laptop will suit your every need, and if you're wanting a laptop where power is the only concern (not size, battery life or portability) then you'll likewise not want a Mac.

It's really like purchasing a certain kind of car, and not simply along the line of more expensive versus less expensive. Do a lot of people buy Macs without knowing why they bought a Mac? Sure. Lots of people buy lots of things simply because someone else told them to buy them. Definitely don't be that person, but since you're trying to gather data about it, it sounds like you're not.

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