What are your thoughts on glue traps?
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Yeah, glue traps sound pretty inhumane. Not that nature handles it any prettier. Have you ever seen a cat kill a mouse?
I remember my cat "playing" with a mouse once. She carried it to our drive, and then let it loose. It ran around in circles, knowing it couldn't get away from the cat, so it tried to hide between her legs. It should soon learn that that didn't work, since my cat decided to pound it with its paw, breaking both its hind legs. After that, the mouse was crawling around desperately with only its front legs (it reached an impressive speed, by the way). After tossing it around for a while, my cat flipped the mouse over on its back, and cut open its stomach. I didn't even know she had sharp enough claws to do that. That's the only time I've ever seen a living animal be dissected. Quite fascinating to see its organs pumping. Then she ate it.
Edit: There was also this other time when a mouse got inside our house. I was trying to lead it outside by making it a path of pillows, however, the stupid thing didn't quite figure out the concept, and kept running around in the kitchen. Then my other cat came around (he's the aforementioned cat's son)
After a while, I decided to let the cat kill it, so I let the cat into the same room as the mouse; upon which he beat it to the ground, sniffed it, and left. Apparently, he wasn't very interested in killing it.
He also likes to pick up mice in his mouth, and throw them into the air. It's almost like pokémon, only real. And a bit bloodier. And the "pokémon" actually die. And the winning "pokémon" eats the loser; if he's feeling hungry, that is.
But even though he hunts mice every now and then, it seems he's more fond of catching birds.
I remember my cat "playing" with a mouse once. She carried it to our drive, and then let it loose. It ran around in circles, knowing it couldn't get away from the cat, so it tried to hide between her legs. It should soon learn that that didn't work, since my cat decided to pound it with its paw, breaking both its hind legs. After that, the mouse was crawling around desperately with only its front legs (it reached an impressive speed, by the way). After tossing it around for a while, my cat flipped the mouse over on its back, and cut open its stomach. I didn't even know she had sharp enough claws to do that. That's the only time I've ever seen a living animal be dissected. Quite fascinating to see its organs pumping. Then she ate it.
Edit: There was also this other time when a mouse got inside our house. I was trying to lead it outside by making it a path of pillows, however, the stupid thing didn't quite figure out the concept, and kept running around in the kitchen. Then my other cat came around (he's the aforementioned cat's son)
After a while, I decided to let the cat kill it, so I let the cat into the same room as the mouse; upon which he beat it to the ground, sniffed it, and left. Apparently, he wasn't very interested in killing it.
He also likes to pick up mice in his mouth, and throw them into the air. It's almost like pokémon, only real. And a bit bloodier. And the "pokémon" actually die. And the winning "pokémon" eats the loser; if he's feeling hungry, that is.
But even though he hunts mice every now and then, it seems he's more fond of catching birds.
If it's actually vermin, you might want to kill it - we don't want say... rats carrying disease and such to just 'go outside'.DuctTapeJedi said:
But asides from that - in Australia, it's more of a native-mouse problem than a RAT problem, so humane traps are possibly more welcome.
Disease is everywhere, every animal carries it. If someone chooses not to kill, then they shouldn't be shunned for doing so. Either killing it or releasing it really won't make a bit of difference, it's just a band-aid fix really and doesn't address the issue at its core (that is, making your place as unattractive to them as possible, making sure your garbage is tightly closed off, etc).SIXVI06-M said:
Well, cats aren't just being cruel with injured mice and so on, they are using them as target practice. In the wild, that sort of thing might mean the difference between starving or not one day.
Funny you mention that... it reminded me of a time a mouse sent my mum screaming for me and my brother's help to catch it because it ran into her room and it just wouldn't get out, no matter how much we tried to herd it to the door... Our cat brought it in to play with - she usually has no intention of eating...DuctTapeJedi said:
Anyway... we spent forever trying to catch it so we could do something nice like set it free in the park or something... but the mouse just had to dart into the most difficult places. So once it got behind a large pane of glass wedged between the wall and the bed... me and my brother sort of had words about taking a life and decided we didn't have much of a choice.
We counted to three, and pushed hard and fast against the bed so we can put an end to it as quickly as possible.
A little harder to avoid if you live in high-density urban sprawls and megacities.Fargus said:
I can't say it's a choice for everyone; and some places are just known for disease-ridden vermin.
I'm not shunning anyone, I'm just saying it's not always a choice.
Liking half naked women in a bizarre fetish now? Man times are changingthaluikhain said:Glue traps are restricted in certain places because of this.
Humane traps all the way, they do work. You can even get humane pest control people in and everything. Vermin don't spread diseases in the west that can't be cured, so there's no excuse to kill them
Wow, that is grisly...SIXVI06-M said:
That's also a plus of trapping the thing and letting it go outside, you don't have any mess to clean up.
Ok, you can't really see that she's got whiskers painted on, but presumably she's glued to the floor, or pretending to be.Verlander said:Liking half naked women in a bizarre fetish now? Man times are changing
[small]Mind you, it would appeal to the strangely large number of people who'd like to to place traps for furries and watch them die horribly.[/small]
Yea mice can be surprisingly smart. I knew one that outsmarted my cat on three separate occasions. The first 2 he played dead, the third he hid behind something and slipped out right under my cat's nose.ravensheart18 said:
OT: Yeah that does seem a bit excessively cruel. At least snap traps break the neck, resulting in immediate unconciousness and death.
someplaces dont have a choice but using those. more or less. I worked in a storagehouse for dairy products , vegetables and fruit (damn cold place to work) and for obvious reasons such a place is not allowed to use poison or traps that uses foodbait that is happily rotting next to fresh food.
Fargus said:
Because mice are acctually semi intelegent creatures capable of gnawing their way through damn near anything. hell, given enough time a mouse can even gnaw through steel.
out of the twist traps, the snap traps, and the 'humane catch and release' traps... glue traps are by far the most effective, quickest, and (if you get the right ones) the most humane.
the problem for you is that your company probably ordered the cheap 'no odor' traps.
good glue traps usually have a poison mixed in with the sticky gel. when the mouse gets stuck, he eats the gel to try and get free, gets poisoned, and usually dies quickly and painlessly. it was designed to be an answer to the problem posed by poison pellets in where a mouse would eat the poison, go run off to inbetween a wall and die... stinking up the place.
however, many companies have designed competative cheaper brands of this stuff which are mearly adhesive and little else. such traps tend to be inhumane as there is no promise that the mouse will die quickly and infact many instances mice will try to (and some times succeed) do what you witnessed, gnawing off their own limbs, and pulling off their own flesh to get free.
as to the disposal... i personally would of thrown it in the dumpster with little though. as inhumane that may make me... the verulient death and pestilence carried in varmits is not something i take lightly.
blame it on people like the PETA guys they don,t care how the trap works as long as the animal lives. If you want to change the situation you can ask the manager to replace them with traditional traps (the kind that kills immediately) or cage traps (that capture the animal)
anything that literally tortures the target is in my opinion wrong
a quick death is one choice and if the kill trap is fast and for the most part painless then i dont have an issue
glue traps are horrid pinning the target in one spot to suffer break its limbs and rip its self apart while starving and screeching with every move (i have had problems with these things since i was a kid and found a still living/screeching half mauled mouse in a glue trap at my friends house...his cat found the mouse first)
personally i like live catch traps, not because i feel for the mouse but because i dont think torturing another mammal to death is a reasonable alternative so ill take the mouse to the field behind my house and give it a shot at not messing with my stuff
p.s. im not some lubby dubby hippie i just like to stand by the dont cause needless pain if there is a reasonable alternative
a quick death is one choice and if the kill trap is fast and for the most part painless then i dont have an issue
glue traps are horrid pinning the target in one spot to suffer break its limbs and rip its self apart while starving and screeching with every move (i have had problems with these things since i was a kid and found a still living/screeching half mauled mouse in a glue trap at my friends house...his cat found the mouse first)
personally i like live catch traps, not because i feel for the mouse but because i dont think torturing another mammal to death is a reasonable alternative so ill take the mouse to the field behind my house and give it a shot at not messing with my stuff
p.s. im not some lubby dubby hippie i just like to stand by the dont cause needless pain if there is a reasonable alternative
Huh. Didn't even know they existed.
I remember my mum using snap traps when I was a kid. Judging by your description, they're a lot better then those glue things.
However, make no mistake, snap traps aren't particularly pleasant either. The mice will often still take several minutes to die. And sometimes it misses the neck and just traps a leg or the like. I had to deliver more then a few coup de graces with a hatchet. Sometimes you get a really badass mouse who gets its leg or tail trapped and then drags the whole trap away. And few times I found traps where the mouse had clearly gnawed its own limb off to escape.
I remember my mum using snap traps when I was a kid. Judging by your description, they're a lot better then those glue things.
However, make no mistake, snap traps aren't particularly pleasant either. The mice will often still take several minutes to die. And sometimes it misses the neck and just traps a leg or the like. I had to deliver more then a few coup de graces with a hatchet. Sometimes you get a really badass mouse who gets its leg or tail trapped and then drags the whole trap away. And few times I found traps where the mouse had clearly gnawed its own limb off to escape.