What are your thoughts on glue traps?

[otakuoverlord]

My thoughts on glue traps? There are far more efficient ways to carry out ethnic cleansing.

 

[Worgen]

I dont like them, they are needlessly cruel, if your gonna kill something for existing then at least dont torture it

 

[Fargus]

And that was just light revisions.

None of which were actually errors.

Point 1-
Not being copable does not remove intent.
Animals are in a constant conflict in an attempt to become more dominate then the other species it exists with on a planet. This conflict that animals participate in is through their own physical design and a product of their individual evolution. It is in this that animals fully intend to cause malicious harm to humans, another animal apart of their ecosystem. Case in point, the immunity to certain illnesses that are deadly to other species or the need to gnaw on something because of constantly growing teeth are evolutionary attributes of varmints which have lead to the malicious harm multiple species by varmints.

Do you even know what "intent to cause malicious harm is"? Stuff that, let's cut to the chase here... do you even know what "malicious" means?!

To cause malicious harm would mean to consciously plan an action, where in advance, you know the consequences would be terrible for the target. Do you honestly think a rat knows that it has transmittable diseases? Thinks "ohh, look, a human, I'm going to poop in their kitchen because I want to make them sick"? Being malicious with intent requires a mind equivalent to that of a human being. Are you honestly this stupid?

Point 2-
By not subjecting myself to the possibility of infection.
This point has been addressed in another post.

Certainly has been addressed, by me. What a load of utter BS - by handling the trap itself, you are subjecting yourself to the possibility regardless so that excuse is void. You chose to throw it in the trash because you're an inhumane prick of a person, not because of any health concerns.

Point 3-
Welcome to the human race.
Humans have been mistreating each other ever since we have stood upright. I am actually some what interested; what Utopia do you live in now?

How other humans act is no justification for certain actions.

Point 4-
Welcome to comprehension 101.
Notice i stated: 'your social values'

the word 'your' denotes ownership, such as the values you hold.
In such a sentence, I did not postulate nor present my own personal values only that they differ from yours.

Your personal values are quite clearly lacking, based on your arguments. There is a difference between "social" and "personal" values anyway.

Point 5-
You are correct, just because you value your loved ones doesn't necessarily give you the right to impale dogs with pitch forks. But when presented with a threat in which the choice comes down to the safety of your loved ones or the life of a dog...

I presented the same thing. However, for a Rodent, a 'viable threat' i perceive is the possible illness I may obtain through the handling. Knowing of the effects and having first hand experience has further cemented my belief that the threat is tangible.

There is a *major* difference between defending yourself, and deliberate wanton cruelty to an animal. The difference comes to play with your comments on this thread - don't give me this bullcrap about "health" reasons, I've already shown you why they are irrelevant when it comes to disposing of an animal on a glue trap.

Point 8-
I have mentioned many a time that good health and survival have everything to do with it. I have even linked the CDC warning page on the possible illnesses communicable through rodents to humans. I have provided facts and statistics on how diseases are a viable risk to consider when handling wild mice and rodents. Why you disregard such information is beyond me and i can only assume that it is because you are adopting a 'holier-then-thou' stance on the matter to present yourself as some one that is 'morally right' compared to me.

I'm disregarding this information because it has nothing to do with the issue we are talking about. It has nothing to do with health and survival, and everything to do with you being an unnecessary inhumane ass. You post information from the CDC website as reasons, yet they do not recommend glue traps [http://www.cdc.gov/rodents/prevent_infestations/trap_up.html] because, and I quote: These traps can scare mice that are caught live and cause them to urinate. Since their urine may contain germs, this may increase your risk of being exposed to diseases.

This renders your entire "health and survival" argument invalid because you are using glue traps and have to handle them anyway. This is why "health and survival" is totally and utterly irrelevant when it comes to deciding between killing an animal on a glue trap humanely and with minimal pain, and throwing it into the bin for it to rip itself apart some more and starve to death. There is still a level of exposure regardless of the method you choose, so all this bullcrap about "survival" and such is just that - utter bullcrap. Not to mention the distant possibility of the animal escaping the glue trap or making a further mess in your bin, leaving more poop everywhere and exposing you to diseases even more. And that is even assuming it has any transmittable disease in the first place! So essentially your very own argument is contradictory, lacking common sense and thus is destroyed by its own ridiculousness.

I'm still waiting for a valid moral defence for killing an animal like that, especially since you could have just killed it there and then without any difference at all to your "health and survival". This suggests to me there are other reasons in play - malicious ones, perhaps you wanted it to suffer because you hate it so much and as an act of "revenge". Making cop-out excuses for your lack of humanity. Pathetic doesn't even begin to describe you.

 

[Fargus]

you know, with a bit of vegitable oil you could release the bat from the adhesive. Although i'm not very sure it will be well accepted if it returned home due to human interaction or even if it could do so. In any case, poor bat. such intresting creatures.

Please spare us your crocodile tears.

 

[Fargus]

No, it was done. At least I had good intentions, unlike yourself.

Hitler said the same thing.
Infact, most all genocidal tyranical leaders have all uttered these words.

It even has become a rather popular addage:
"The road to evil is paved with good intentions."

Ohh! I knew you'd invoke Goodwin's Law at some point!

I'll add to this: your actions resemble more to Hitler than mine.

 

[Stryc9]

I tried using glue traps outside one time. I found the first one flipped over like the rat realized what it was and managed to jump off before it got too stuck to it and got away.

The only other time I put one out I caught a rat in it and it had just stood there for the better part of a day, it didn't even try to free itself. I ended up taking a .22 to it's head.

I figure that glue traps are a waste of money. When we had a rat problem, thanks to the hippie up the street that likes to release his rats at the stop sign at the end of my road, I found I was more effective picking them off with said .22 when they came out to eat. It was a quicker end for the rats...usually...and cost me less money.

 

[Kortney]

I have seen mice literally chew their own feet off to try to get out of a glue trap. It's disgusting, inhumane, violent and cruel and I want nothing to do with them. I understand mice are pests, but that doesn't mean you have to remove them by being cruel.

 

[Fargus]

QQ

You would QQ too.

 

[Pyro Paul]

You post information from the CDC website as reasons, yet they do not recommend glue traps [http://www.cdc.gov/rodents/prevent_infestations/trap_up.html] because, and I quote: These traps can scare mice that are caught live and cause them to urinate. Since their urine may contain germs, this may increase your risk of being exposed to diseases.

you see, the funny thing is, in all of your posts...
your arguments...
your personal attacks...

i have never stated that i use glue traps soley.

I have mantained as such:
I will dispose of glue trapped mice quickly Because the risk of Infection.


yet for some reason you can not recognise this point.

Inspite of the Fact that the CDC has a long list of infectious Diseases caused by rodants.
Inspite of the Fact of the Countless deaths that have been caused by exposure to rats.
Inspite of the Fact that the CDC litterally says 'USING GLUE TRAPS INCREASES CHANCES OF INFECTION'.

you continue to attack me under the sole belief that i am an inhumane bastard that tortures and maims all of Gods little creatures. But at this point... I have yet to provide any evidence as such. You create assumptions, insults, and disgust with out acctually knowing me at all or even attempting to learn more. At this point i don't care what you think because you have more then proven yourself to be a complete moron and zelot to your cause unable to think outside your precieved little world.

Have i ever said that i intentionally use glue traps?
Have i stated my perfered trap of usage when dealing with mice?
Have i stated my oppinon of other animals other then rodents and mice?

No... i have not.
you have created assumption and judgement out of nothing.

You think me a devil?
you're the one spreading hatred, mis-information, and poor judgement.


so, as i've said before...
Get off your High Horse.

you have done nothing more then prove that you're a mindless idiot.

 

[Pyro Paul]

I tried using glue traps outside one time. I found the first one flipped over like the rat realized what it was and managed to jump off before it got too stuck to it and got away.

The only other time I put one out I caught a rat in it and it had just stood there for the better part of a day, it didn't even try to free itself. I ended up taking a .22 to it's head.

I figure that glue traps are a waste of money. When we had a rat problem, thanks to the hippie up the street that likes to release his rats at the stop sign at the end of my road, I found I was more effective picking them off with said .22 when they came out to eat. It was a quicker end for the rats...usually...and cost me less money.

exactly how large of rodents are you dealing with?

i would think a .22 would be a little over kill and start 'popping' common house mice...

ontop of this.
glue traps don't work outside.
the dust and mostiure make it less sticky and make it easier for the rodents to escape.

 

[Fargus]

Pyro Paul, of course I am attacking you, after your initial comment:

as to the disposal... i personally would of thrown it in the dumpster with little though. as inhumane that may make me... the verulient death and pestilence carried in varmits is not something i take lightly.

As I already said, there is a difference between defending yourself, and wanton cruelty towards an animal. You are not defending yourself in this instance at all, you're being an inhumane jerk by being unnecessarily cruel. This is where your entire argument breaks down. So since this is not about "survival" at all, then it must be something else. Sadism? Revenge? What? It's clearly intentionally malicious.

Your persistence to defend this claim with completely idiotic "excuses" that have all been crushed really says it all. I do not care if you didn't actually do this, but you made the comment and defended such a position. Essentially, you are the kind of person who would actually throw a helpless and injured mammal stuck on glue into the garbage bin based on the comments you have made defending it.

You still have not provided any justification for letting an animal rip itself apart on an inexpensive trap when it can be humanely killed. As far as high horse goes, perfectly understandable considering the absolute tripe you've posted here, your lack of empathy/humanity and your disdain for life in general. You represent some of our poorer attributes, and even other posters have noted this as well. I'm not going to even begin to talk about your "nature is ugly" argument, in fact some one replied to this and you did not reply to it at all! What a surprise, eh?

So yeah, I'm calling you a demon of sorts because you're trying to make excuses for torturing animals to death. It is morally questionable and most certainly disgusting - and it speaks more about you as a person than it does me for pointing it out and criticising it (and you).

 

[Chris^^]

I'd never even heard of them before seeing this, but they sound monstrous.

 

[Latinidiot]

They make humane traps where it doesn't actually kill the mouse, you just let him go outside.

This

Yep, little bent plastic tube. Mouse goes in, tips the tube, lid closes, congratulations, you have catched a mousey (yay) =D

What, so it comes back in? If the pest has a way in, you could better kill them untill either they learn to stay away, or you find the mousehole and close it

 

[Stryc9]

exactly how large of rodents are you dealing with?

i would think a .22 would be a little over kill and start 'popping' common house mice...

ontop of this.
glue traps don't work outside.
the dust and mostiure make it less sticky and make it easier for the rodents to escape.

We're talking your common garden variety rat and at distances of less than 20 feet the bullet isn't imparting anywhere close to all of it's energy in the rat's body so it doesn't make that much of a mess.

To be clear, I was actually setting the glue traps in our basement, not completely outside and like I said, it worked once and the other trap was flipped over, it was useless after that because it did get all dusty. I just don't find them very effective compared to other methods.

 

[Randomologist]

I don't know how viable this is for you, but I once worked at a fabricators' yard where they kept two cats, and they would eat the rats that lived by the adjacent canal. No problems with them at all, save for when one of them started sleeping on the forklift cab.

 

[Fargus]

Cats are out of the question, they don't want cats making a mess out of things and a couple of people there are allergic to cat fur.