Zeke the Freak said:
theultimateend said:
Fronken said:
Somthing said:
Fronken said:
Wouldukindly said:
Taking Warhammer Fantasy and 40k and crafting them into something good enough that I don't accuse them of ripping it off.
This ^
There is no doubt that Blizzard has Games Workshop to thank for their success/fame.
Warcraft = Warhammer Fantasy Battles
Starcraft = 40k
There's no doubt the races have been stolen, orcs and humans are, well orcs and humans, but the most obvious ones are in Starcraft, where both the Marines and the Zergs are ripped straight from 40k (Space Marines/Tyranids).
But still they manage to make an interesting storyline themselfs, even though their starting pieces were stolen.
im not arguing against the starcraft franchise may being ripped (dont really care) but the orcs and humans coming from warhammer? I would say that orcs were not made by warhammer first. i think (not sure) that they came mostly from Tolkien.
Orcs were made up by J.R.R Tolkien to the best of my knowledge, but it was Warhammer who set the standard for Orcs when it comes to look and color, The orcs described in LOTR were black, but it wasnt until Warhammer Fantasy Battles came along that the standard became Green for Orcs and Goblins (as in Greenskins).
So the orcs in Warcraft is undoubtably taken from Warhammer.
Likewise it's probably much older than Tokien.
Most fantasy races are built around stereotypes of actual races or exaggerations of physical and mental disorders.
There was a book I read a while back that went over different fantasy races and their origins and most were pretty solidly tied with real world references (as one would guess I imagine).
Orcs in particular are a fantasy manifestation of a very closeminded view of a certain group of people that were regularly defeated by the rational heroic white warriors. I won't go deeper than that because I doubt it's the proper direction to take a blizzard conversation.
Likewise don't forget to check when certain races in Warhammer 40k actually came into existence (in the real world) before you start figuring out who came from what
(not that it matters).
Starcraft 1998
(Who I feel Protoss are like) Tau 1998
Tyranids however 2004
Well some one needs to brush up on their history. WH40k was a board game like 20+ years before all of that. It had all the races and more. SC undoubtedly got their races from WH with a minor tweak from tau to protoss. (Ill admit, the guys who created tyranids got a little inspiration from the movie "alien")
Well I misread which is my fault but still I don't believe all races were in Warhammer from the very beginning. In the very Beginning Warhammer wasn't even consistent (Space marines were much taller than they are now, Orks had entirely different systems of reproduction and ish, and there are probably other things not coming to mind).
From a double scan over it appears that Tyranids were introduced in 1990 (in Space hulk).
"The first recognisable incarnation of Tyranid warriors appeared in Advanced Space Crusade in 1990, featuring biological weaponry such as boneswords and deathspitters.[9]" - Wiki.
Which is 3 years after WH40k started (well 3-4). So not all the races and more were from the get go. I mean they had all sorts of funky little races they talked about in the beginning but most of them were just sidestories that have been all but invalidated by newer lore stuff like the Xenology book.
Anywho yeah on looking back at dates you are right (which I felt was the case till a recent googlage left me with tyranids and tau being much more recent official enterances into the TT game).
Which is sort of how I rate it, a race isn't real until its part of the tabletop setup. I mean they could essentially name of 90 million alien races but unless they have a concrete imagining of them that I can see I don't feel its a valid placemat.
