What constitutes a Great Villain?
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In my opinion, a great villian needs a great reason for what he's trying to do or why he's like the way he is. I could cite a villian for that but i'm too lazy.
Next time VALAR..NEXT TIME!!!!!oliveira8 said:
I agree with you but for totally different reasons, he is the main example of the villian because
1. He is Crafty, Very Very Crafty
Ex 1: He tricked ELVES..ELVES!!! They are supposed to see through disguise and crap and he gave 3 of the smartest, oldest elves rings as "gifts!" They did not see any deception.
Ex 2: He went under the name attanatar(Spelling might be wrong) when he gave the gifts, his name meaning gift-giver in Elvish, thus showing him to be overly hospitable, and elves still couldn't see through it!
Ex 3: He can trick the Haradrim and the men of Rhun to go thousands of miles away from home to fight battles they don't even believe in because he gave the pitch that the Men of Gondor and Rohan were going to invade them etc. So in theory, the Haradrim and the men of Rhun weren't evil, just misled
2. Because he is a FUCKING GOD!...albiet a lesser valar
Ex 1: The main lords of earth were so tired of dealing with middle-earth they sent 5 lesser Gods come to come to earth(meaning the lose alot of their power but can directly intervene with men and elves and dwarves etc.) 5 Gods sent to earth to deal with him! In Middle-earth thats a big f***ing deal!
Ex 2: He is a lesser God come to physical form and amplified his power through a magic ring which he can kick the asses of the 5 wizards/gods/Gandalf &Sauroman& Rhadagast &the blue wizards, however there is much debate weither he could kill Gandalf the white, but I truly think so!
3. He takes after the best...Morgoth!
Ex 1: He was the God of Evil's aprentice/lieutenant and disappeared after he was defeated learning all his tricks etc.
Ex 2: He more of less helped lead 5 lesser gods into service thus turning them into Balerogs!
So basiclly Sauron is the best villians EVUR!
A great Villain is the aura they possess due to their actions.
How they make the weak hearted cringe and man's courage weaver.
How they make the weak hearted cringe and man's courage weaver.
Some examples of who I thought were great villians were the Heath Ledger joker from Dark Knight. He is psychotic, and for all his craziness what makes him both effective and scary, is he really seems to know what he is doing, and how to cause anarchy and chaos, and as Alfred says "some men just want to watch the world burn!"
The final villain from KOTOR 2.
Personally I do like the unseen manipulator, working from the shadows, able to walk right past you without you even thinking that it could be them. But I also want a villain to be fairly powerful, but not absolutely unbeatable. He/She should pose a tremendous threat to any protaganist, and should instill some fear in them. They should make the good guy feel like they have very little chance to no chance of stopping them.
I don't mind a villain that has a "sense of honor" or restricts themselves from certain things such as they will not harm children. I guess I feel it makes it seem that there might be something redeemable in such a villain.
Don't get me wrong, I do like some villains that are plain and simple monsters out to destroy anything and everything that is good and holy, but I generally prefer villains that at some point had, still have, or could have some good hidden somewhere in them.
The final villain from KOTOR 2.
Kreia in KOTOR 2. She pretty much manipulates you the entire game, and yet your character never really suspects it. She also does a fantastic job of hiding just how powerful she truly is.
I don't mind a villain that has a "sense of honor" or restricts themselves from certain things such as they will not harm children. I guess I feel it makes it seem that there might be something redeemable in such a villain.
Don't get me wrong, I do like some villains that are plain and simple monsters out to destroy anything and everything that is good and holy, but I generally prefer villains that at some point had, still have, or could have some good hidden somewhere in them.
Sauron did not give the Rings. Sauron made the Elves make all the rings. Now that takes class. He told them to create their own Rings so he could later pwn them hard with his nifty ring.Marv21 said:
I think that Sauron could defeat Gandalf the White. Theres a line in The Two Towers, it might not mean anything, something completly different or just one of the many plotlines that Tolkien never really finished but:
"I'am Gandalf the White, but Black is stronger."(something like that)
Gandalf and Sauron were the same thing. Maiar. But Sauron got elevated beyond any Maiar, or something like that. But I believe that The Witch King would also be able to fight Gandalf the White when the Gates of Minas Tirith went down. He was pumped by the battle, empowered by Sauron Shadow, a huge Orc army behind and had a FLAMING sword in hand. While Gandalf stands alone in the darkness.
I think the best villains aren't the people that are just power hungry but started off good and in an attempt to do something good and great for people have become twisted (for one reason or another) and now their new world order (or whatever) can only be brought about by something devastating. They do terrible things to get to an end that they believe is the ultimate positive outcome. The problem is that what ever end they are shooting for will never live up to the means that were taken to get there....hence why someone is needed to stop them.
these villains are smart, cunning, resourceful, have connections, and sometimes considerate in strange ways that don't seem to fit in with their the majority of their actions.
these villains are smart, cunning, resourceful, have connections, and sometimes considerate in strange ways that don't seem to fit in with their the majority of their actions.
What does a Great Villain need? Well, Greatness and Villainy of course!
Greatness can mean great as in wonderful, or simply as in big. Great Big Villains need great big goals and great big power, something the audience can see as threatening both in the minor way that hero is threatened and the major way that the hero's worldview is threatened. Great Villains embody an entirely different and frightening way of thought that is alien and dangerous. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Napolean threatened not just to conquer the world but to remake it in their own twisted images. Even the school jock doesn't merely beat up the hero, but controls the warp and weft of school social life.
Villains have to perform acts of villainy (obviously), and Great Villains must perform acts that are wonderful in their terribleness. Great Villains threaten to kill the hero's soul, to deny them a life of meaning and force them into servitude and ignominy. This goes all the way from Sauron's knife turning Frodo into a wraith to the evil businessman threatening a whistleblower to a bully stealing lunch money. In a way, the cruelist villains are those that allow the hero an out, a way to escape by diminishing and abasing themselves, to find their place in the Villain's order.
Greatness can mean great as in wonderful, or simply as in big. Great Big Villains need great big goals and great big power, something the audience can see as threatening both in the minor way that hero is threatened and the major way that the hero's worldview is threatened. Great Villains embody an entirely different and frightening way of thought that is alien and dangerous. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Napolean threatened not just to conquer the world but to remake it in their own twisted images. Even the school jock doesn't merely beat up the hero, but controls the warp and weft of school social life.
Villains have to perform acts of villainy (obviously), and Great Villains must perform acts that are wonderful in their terribleness. Great Villains threaten to kill the hero's soul, to deny them a life of meaning and force them into servitude and ignominy. This goes all the way from Sauron's knife turning Frodo into a wraith to the evil businessman threatening a whistleblower to a bully stealing lunch money. In a way, the cruelist villains are those that allow the hero an out, a way to escape by diminishing and abasing themselves, to find their place in the Villain's order.
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Stringer Bell, from The Wire is my all time favorite villain. He was one of the few major characters that that show created that was almost completely morally corrupt. This guy had kids killed and had a guy tortured and then displayed as a warning. And for what? For the chance to succeed in the "legitimate" business world, where he was beaten and stolen from by the crooks without guns.
That show had a lot of really decent villains actually. Marlo Stanfield is a lot like Stringer, only without a real comeuppance. I guess that's what didn't make him steal Stringer's spot. Stringer was defeated. Marlo wasn't. Really great villains don't win.
That show had a lot of really decent villains actually. Marlo Stanfield is a lot like Stringer, only without a real comeuppance. I guess that's what didn't make him steal Stringer's spot. Stringer was defeated. Marlo wasn't. Really great villains don't win.
A great villian is someone who isnt looking for anything logical in the world. Some men cant be bought, bribed, or otherwise. Some men just want to watch the world burn... (Props to Alfred.)
A wicked laugh, and awesome theme music. Villainy is all about the appearance and ambience. Hell, you could make a Paladin crusading for justice, peace, and mankind as the main villain of a videogame if he had a sinister laugh and the proper theme music.
Plus, he would would be a terribly complex villain. You wouldn't know why he was helping that old lady with her groceries, but you knew it involved evil.
Plus, he would would be a terribly complex villain. You wouldn't know why he was helping that old lady with her groceries, but you knew it involved evil.
John Cavil from Battlestar Galactica, the first human cylon model with a massive chip on his shoulder at his creators.
The Daleks from Doctor Who, creatures who's sole point in life is just kill everything that isn't them. They are able to do this thanks to sheer numbers and massive firepower.
The Daleks from Doctor Who, creatures who's sole point in life is just kill everything that isn't them. They are able to do this thanks to sheer numbers and massive firepower.
Dart Vader is the Villain of all time IMO. He's black, got a deep and machine-like voice, and his entry on the ship in Episode IV(is it called Tantive?) is just... awesome.
Plus, he's not completely lost, and redeems himself in the end. I think that makes a villain even cooler.The_ModeRazor said: