As a whole what you grade the series? I just started watching it, and am on s1 ep 15. I think it's a great show so far, just not Breaking Bad or Sopranos tier.
What did you guys think of lost?
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I think it's an interesting case study of unexplained popularity saving a guy's ass. ABC has made no secret of the fact that what Abrams made was not at all what they gave him money to produce, and had it failed he's likely have been blacklisted from Hollywood.
For the show itself, it really, really needed a series bible so that they actually knew what the mysteries they where setting up where so that when they showed the answer it would be better then just the equivalent of throwing a dart at a board and seeing where it sticks.
For the show itself, it really, really needed a series bible so that they actually knew what the mysteries they where setting up where so that when they showed the answer it would be better then just the equivalent of throwing a dart at a board and seeing where it sticks.
I quit watching in early season two due to it looking like the question pile would keep growing while the answer pile would not grow by much. Plus for some reason the others and the whole kidnapping thing felt dumb and unnecessary since there was mystery enough to explore w/o adding more people to the mix.
The whole numbers thing was really dumb as well. The whole bunker arc was just more chances for Locke to show creepy he was.
The whole numbers thing was really dumb as well. The whole bunker arc was just more chances for Locke to show creepy he was.
I'm disappointed in the responses here. Everyone is so hung up on the answers that they are forgetting that they were not important. The mysteries were just the hooks, to get people to watch in the first place. What made Lost worth watching in the end was the characters.
Each character is fully three-dimensional and has a unique story. Not everyone is interesting, but most of them are. Jack's journey as the leader who never gets the important things right, Locke's continual crisis of identity, Michael's single-minded obsession, Charlie's attempts to be a decent guy when he's not sure he is, Jin and Sun's bizarre backstory slowly filled in... So much effective character drama in Lost. The mysteries are rarely more than a momentary "WTF?" It's the intertwining plotlines and personal growth everyone undergoes that is what makes Lost great.
Bottom line, if you can deal with the ever-growing and never-satisfying pile of mysteries, then you will find an ever-growing and always-satisfying pile of excellent characters.
Each character is fully three-dimensional and has a unique story. Not everyone is interesting, but most of them are. Jack's journey as the leader who never gets the important things right, Locke's continual crisis of identity, Michael's single-minded obsession, Charlie's attempts to be a decent guy when he's not sure he is, Jin and Sun's bizarre backstory slowly filled in... So much effective character drama in Lost. The mysteries are rarely more than a momentary "WTF?" It's the intertwining plotlines and personal growth everyone undergoes that is what makes Lost great.
Bottom line, if you can deal with the ever-growing and never-satisfying pile of mysteries, then you will find an ever-growing and always-satisfying pile of excellent characters.
No OP, don't do it! It's not worth the betrayal (yes, I'm being melodramatic) and annoyance you'll feel at the end of the series!
I found the series to have a lot of excellent characters, and a lot of enticing mysteries. One of those ended up falling flat for me while the other stayed fairly strong throughout. The series was fine overall, but the ending was worse than Dexter's IMO. Season 1 was definitely the best.
I found the series to have a lot of excellent characters, and a lot of enticing mysteries. One of those ended up falling flat for me while the other stayed fairly strong throughout. The series was fine overall, but the ending was worse than Dexter's IMO. Season 1 was definitely the best.
When it premiered, "Lost" was pretty groundbreaking. It had a very unique and character focused approach to storytelling.
While I'm sure it wasn't the first show to do it, it was definitely (at the time) one of the best. Without it, we couldn't have had the new "Battlestar Galactica" or "Mad Men".
By juxtaposing a character's post crash actions with a flashback, it created a really interesting and dynamic way to tell the story. And some of the episodes were mind blowing (John Locke's first flashback story, comes to mind).
The problem is that, unlike "Breaking Bad" or the first five season of "Supernatural", the show was never written with a destination in mind. So a lot of the cool plot threads or mysteries that are introduced were either quietly dropped or hastily (but not very satisfyingly) explained.
But I never missed an episode and stuck with it until the very end.
While I'm sure it wasn't the first show to do it, it was definitely (at the time) one of the best. Without it, we couldn't have had the new "Battlestar Galactica" or "Mad Men".
By juxtaposing a character's post crash actions with a flashback, it created a really interesting and dynamic way to tell the story. And some of the episodes were mind blowing (John Locke's first flashback story, comes to mind).
The problem is that, unlike "Breaking Bad" or the first five season of "Supernatural", the show was never written with a destination in mind. So a lot of the cool plot threads or mysteries that are introduced were either quietly dropped or hastily (but not very satisfyingly) explained.
But I never missed an episode and stuck with it until the very end.
From 1 being worse and 5 being excellent, I would say it's a 3.
It started of great (alot of mysteries) but it became lost to me when time travel were involved.
It started of great (alot of mysteries) but it became lost to me when time travel were involved.
The first two seasons I rate pretty highly. Intrigue, mystery, relatively compelling characters, strong (enough) premise and a good sense of direction.
It went downhill at an absurd pace after that. Season 5 was a terrible experience.
It went downhill at an absurd pace after that. Season 5 was a terrible experience.
At one point, near the beginning of a series (4 or 5), Ben Linus says he plans to "move the island" in order to keep it concealed from this exploitative industrialist asshole who is trying to get to it. I, a naive watcher, thought to myself, "Oh! Move an entire island?! How does he plan to do that? I can't wait for the pay-off, as we find out what his plan entails. It must have huge implications!"
Near the end of the series, Linus says he's going to do it and reveals the secret. He descends into an underground cavern, with the walls covered in arcane runes, and turns a giant wheel set into the rock, causing huge pulses of light to emit from the cavern walls. This causes the island to teleport through time and space.
None of this is ever explained. Not the wheel, the runes, the light, the teleportation. None of it was ever previously established, either. Though the practicalities of the teleporting are dealt with, they never address what it means or how it actually fucking works.
Rustled my jimmies something fierce, I can tell you.
Near the end of the series, Linus says he's going to do it and reveals the secret. He descends into an underground cavern, with the walls covered in arcane runes, and turns a giant wheel set into the rock, causing huge pulses of light to emit from the cavern walls. This causes the island to teleport through time and space.
None of this is ever explained. Not the wheel, the runes, the light, the teleportation. None of it was ever previously established, either. Though the practicalities of the teleporting are dealt with, they never address what it means or how it actually fucking works.
Rustled my jimmies something fierce, I can tell you.
Wasn't there some kind of strike back during that time? With writters of tv shows or something in that respect?Shanicus said:
OT: the first season was great. It only goes downhill from that point . When the find the vault ( underground station) or whatever. Seriously.
They actually explained some of that later on, but no one should have ever expected it to be a detailed explanation with a specifically scientific answer. Mystical stuff is supposed to remain mysterious to a degree.Silvanus said:
To a degree, perhaps, and I wasn't necessarily wanting something scientific.IOwnTheSpire said:
It's a pretty fair criticism, though, that a show which hooked a lot of people on a 'castaway-with-semi-mystical-intrigue' premise rather last that direction when it becomes a show about...
...Grudge-battles between ancient ghost-deities and huge amounts of time-travel.
It was pretty interesting but having adverts every 5 seconds got frustrating and if you missed a few episodes like I did you became (and pardon the pun) lost.
I'd give it an F.
A 1/10.
The writers admitted that they were told to just make some weird stuff up. There was never a plan, or a cohesive story, or even a desire to make everything fit. As a writer, I can say that this is the absolute height of laziness. There's really no excuse for that kind of behavior, and Lost really captures all the problems I have with most t.v. drama.
Besides, is there any reason they couldn't plot out a proper mystery, besides laziness? They can have good characters AND good plot, it's not mutually exclusive.
A 1/10.
The writers admitted that they were told to just make some weird stuff up. There was never a plan, or a cohesive story, or even a desire to make everything fit. As a writer, I can say that this is the absolute height of laziness. There's really no excuse for that kind of behavior, and Lost really captures all the problems I have with most t.v. drama.
If they wanted to make a character study then that would have been fine, but it's clear that they considered the mystery a major draw. In fact, it was THE central conflict of the entire show. I would have been fine with a simple character drama, but that's not the route they took.TheVampwizimp said:
Besides, is there any reason they couldn't plot out a proper mystery, besides laziness? They can have good characters AND good plot, it's not mutually exclusive.