delta4062 said:
Actually I completely forgot about those, though all I remember hearing from it was the actual rioting.Stasisesque said:
Are there more examples like this in the UK?
What do you think about looters?
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Are there more examples like this in the UK?
It depends on the situation. Such as in a natural disaster. If no aid is arriving, the entire area is on lock-down, and you are genuinely in need - looting diapers, proper clothing, medicine/medical supplies, bottled water, and formula/food is understandable. However, using a disaster or other peoples problems to loot stuff like electronics and fancy accessories, really boils me up. People are in genuine distress and t.v.s are the most important thing to you?
Come on now.
Come on now.
Well I think shoplifters are scum and that we should strongly consider swapping repeat offenders for any illegal immigrants who check out alright and seem sincere enough about the need for asylum.
In fact I think most people who show no signs of wanting to follow the most fundamental and reasonable rules of a society (don't fuck with people, don't fuck with people's stuff, etc.) should be relieved of the burden of being part of that society. Let them enjoy their new lives in a country that doesn't care if they steal or kill, or are killed or stolen from.
We seem to spend a lot of time trying to stop the boat people (or border jumpers for Americans) when I'd argue some of them (emphasis on the some, I'm not suggesting we stop protecting our borders) would be better, harder working members of society than some who openly flaunt the gift of being born in a wonderful country.
In fact I think most people who show no signs of wanting to follow the most fundamental and reasonable rules of a society (don't fuck with people, don't fuck with people's stuff, etc.) should be relieved of the burden of being part of that society. Let them enjoy their new lives in a country that doesn't care if they steal or kill, or are killed or stolen from.
We seem to spend a lot of time trying to stop the boat people (or border jumpers for Americans) when I'd argue some of them (emphasis on the some, I'm not suggesting we stop protecting our borders) would be better, harder working members of society than some who openly flaunt the gift of being born in a wonderful country.
The "good guys" in zombie apocalypse movies loot all the time and nobody ever complains about it. You argue "but society has broken down, so it's ok to loot". Hmm... my point exactly.
Victims of the police will never get justice in the "justice system", so what do you expect them to do to get justice? For some, the answer is looting - which amounts to a Robin Hood wealth redistribution.
The multi-billionaire Walton family can sure as hell afford it, and taxpayers can even afford it (assuming that Walmarts are insured against vandalism), so there isn't really a problem.
The whole point of the advertising industry is to get people to buy stuff they don't need... one outcome of this is that when people can't buy what they don't need, they steal it.
This sort of thing is expected in a broken down society. In other words, it's expected in our society. If you want to stop it, the best way is to make the society fair and just. If your greed, fear, and/or ignorance don't allow this, then you may choose draconian control and terror mechanisms, like increased criminalization, increased police harassment, and increased surveillance.
Given that all signs point to us not solving our problems and the world's problems getting worse and worse, we can expect an increase in looting in the future.
Victims of the police will never get justice in the "justice system", so what do you expect them to do to get justice? For some, the answer is looting - which amounts to a Robin Hood wealth redistribution.
The multi-billionaire Walton family can sure as hell afford it, and taxpayers can even afford it (assuming that Walmarts are insured against vandalism), so there isn't really a problem.
The whole point of the advertising industry is to get people to buy stuff they don't need... one outcome of this is that when people can't buy what they don't need, they steal it.
This sort of thing is expected in a broken down society. In other words, it's expected in our society. If you want to stop it, the best way is to make the society fair and just. If your greed, fear, and/or ignorance don't allow this, then you may choose draconian control and terror mechanisms, like increased criminalization, increased police harassment, and increased surveillance.
Given that all signs point to us not solving our problems and the world's problems getting worse and worse, we can expect an increase in looting in the future.
Apparently a bunch of black folks are/were taking to twitter to encourage looters to loot white neighborhoods instead of not looting. How fucked up is that? Really? I'm not going to comment further, but the evidence is out there... see for yourself.
http://twitchy.com/2014/08/11/loot-and-rob-them-not-your-own-twitter-users-advise-black-people-to-loot-white-neighborhoods/
http://twitchy.com/2014/08/11/loot-and-rob-them-not-your-own-twitter-users-advise-black-people-to-loot-white-neighborhoods/
We really going to bring race into this. Really? Man , black people can catch a break.Imperioratorex Caprae said:
OT: i came in here thinking this was a post apocalypse thread. And now i'm dissapointed, and slightly angry because race was brought up. But as for the topic. I don't have a problem woth looting , as long as :
A) nobody get's hurt
B) you only take things from big corporations ( Walmart, target etc...)
C)you don't take/destroy things that belong to other people ( cars, bikes , home invasions).
In time of riot or crisis looters should be given one chance to surrender or else be shot. I despise the kind of person who takes advantage of a situation where police resources are already stretched thin to steal from the community. A very indefensible thing. I'm not talking about water during a hurricane either, I am talking about HDTVs and snapbacks during a riot or earthquake.
I didn't bring race into anything, merely reporting on what people who happen to be black are doing. Doesn't make me racist, makes the people who are advocating such behavior stupid. I'd feel the same way if it were white people advocating looting a black neighborhood. Anyway race was already the hotbutton topic beforehand as it was a predominantly black neighborhood and a black kid who was killed.krazykidd said:
Also, looting is still a crime, theft is still a crime, ergo you're promoting crime. Just because it may be against a large corporation matters not. Advocating wanton criminal acts isn't any way to promote a healthy society. Anarchy is a detriment to society not a benefit and you've just lowered my opinion of you by many degrees, which I doubt you care about. I really don't understand that mentality, sticking it to the corporations by way of crime isn't solving anything nor making those corporations think twice, only lowering their bottom line and giving them more excuses not to pay above minimum wage. I worked in loss prevention and just general shoplifting alone prevented our store from growing our employee base (which we really could have used more of) because of the high rate of shoplifting. I helped lower it but if we'd had a riot and looting (which also tends to damage property and costs the store even more money) we'd go through a huge period of loss that would end up costing the store and employees more in the end. Whatever you think of corporations, the local store is run by locals and they're the ones who're ultimately hurt by things like this. Please check your ignorance.
One. I didn't call you racistImperioratorex Caprae said:
Two. The thread is about what we think about looters, which i answered truthfully, regardless of whatever holier than thou , response you are expecting. Opinions man look it up.
Three. Corporations are evil. The nickle and dime employees and customers alike, they make the world a terrible place, and in their own way steal from everyone just to make their bank accounts bigger. They can stand to lose a few TVs.
See this mentality is fine until you think for more than 0.1 second about society. Heres a challenge for you, go down to your local superstore and ask the manager where abouts he lives. Holy shit its nearby in your own town?!krazykidd said:
When stuff got stolen from our store the Timberland CEO didnt come the fuck down in person and cry about it. Mark the manager who lives in the town centre got screamed at, got less promotion opportunities and saw his chance for a raise dashed for that quarter. So by stealing from "The evil corperation" all youve done is fuck over Mark. What Mark did was own the store, run the store and operate the store under the timberland logo which he paid rights to. This is how McDonalds works as well as many other large corporations. When you rob timberland or anything like it the higher ups dont lose money in any significant sense at all. Mark loses money. The man who invested in the store. Your potential neighbor. Youve potentially ruined his life, the decades of work he spent trying to get the store to succeed. If you honestly encourage that and look Mark in the face and tell him you ruined his hard work because "THE EVILS OF CAPITOLISM!!!" then... i dont know i dont want to be sanctimonious. I just give a shit about Mark. And I hope most people would to.
So really in some respects I agree with you ironically!
"you don't take/destroy things that belong to other people ( cars, bikes , home invasions)."
Stores belong to local managers. I have no idea how you didnt know this. By that premise all looting is wrong. Destroying the property they own and work in is wrong. Ruining the life of the innocent dude who lives in your block is wrong. I have less issues with hurting corperations in theory, i just know that stealing doesnt hurt them, it hurts the dudes in your town who worked hard to run that store. Its misguided and cruel.
I dont really care if someone "ruins" a billboard with art like Banksy, I dont care if a corporation has its CEO salary cut hard, i DO care about the dude who lives on my street. Its hard to hurt a corporation without hurting the employees.
If a place is deserted and the resources in it would go to waste otherwise, I can be down with looting.
But if not, if either the owners of the stuff or whatever agency is trying to establish order could use those resources, then no, I can't be down with looting.
But if not, if either the owners of the stuff or whatever agency is trying to establish order could use those resources, then no, I can't be down with looting.
Yeah, I remember that. However that is the only looting that has happened in Aus that I can recall, and it was only 15 people. Feel free to provide more incidents though.madwarper said:
1. I called you out on the implication that your statement brought. If I was wrong fine, but it didn't sound very positive, nor was your lead-in sentence, directed towards me personally, well informed of the situation the person who asked the question. I felt that it implied you believed I was bringing race into this which also made me feel you implied I was racist. Neither of those were the case, I was merely reporting more information on the subject matter.krazykidd said:
2. Yeah it was about what people think of looters, I don't deny that. However your opinion in a factual sense is wrong by the definition of law. I already explained that. You can have an opinon, but an opinion that goes against fact is wrong. You're allowed to have opinons, but when it deals with something that is hard fact and your opinion is wrong, then you have no argument against being called out on it. Like people saying they believe Climate Change isn't real, its an opinion but in a factual basis a wrong one.
3. Stealing implies breaking laws, which they don't do. Walmart may be a corporate giant, but as I and at least someone else pointed out, that has nothing to do with the local stores. They're owned and operated by the locals and looting a local store hurts the locals, not the corporation. So again, whatever you think of corporations, you're wrong in thinking that looting a Walmart hurts no one but the locals, making your pathetic grandstanding against "Evil corporations" nothing more than pettiness and shows how ignorant you are on how this affects real people. You have a beef against corporations, find legal ways of doing something about it instead of advocating lawlessness. Otherwise you're no better than those you're so vehemently against.
I'm actually kind of in agreement. The people who take advantage of these things to try and gain materially are harming innocent people for no reason beyond they have the chance to and their own personal greed. Its also an affront to the memory of the person that they are supposedly out there for. This is unless that person would have supported the looting, in which case I don't give a shit about his memory.super_mega_ultra said:
It's also kind of obvious this city does not have a significant Korean community.