You are in the same boat I am. I like the artwork, but some people take it way to far.Trezu said:-snipedy do dah, snipedy yay-
I think judging any group by the actions of a portion of them is a mistake, but its also one of the hardest things to not do, I mean finding crazy examples of a group is easy since the crazy ones will loudly proclaim they are members, finding the saner members is harder since it means you have to actually find out if someone is a member of said group.axlryder said:Yeah, I see where you're coming from. There's definitely a truth to that. The issue is that their attitude seems to only accentuate more obvious flaws. If more of them actually possessed basic social faculties, then I don't think their self righteousness and egotism would come off as quite so unwarranted. That said, I suppose it's always good to empathize with the plights of others.Worgen said:I can kind of understand why they seem to egotistical and self righteous, I mean they are probably the easiest whipping boy on the entire internet, even pedo's seem to get more respect then they do, a sense of pride tends to come from situations like that. "they just hate what I am and I'm better because I'm not one of them" kinda thing, if they were more accepted it probably wouldn't be there quite as bad.axlryder said:In my own unfortunately extensive experience with furries, they're a heavily socially-defective bunch. That wouldn't be so bad if a lot of them didn't possess an egotistical self-righteousness and pridefully perpetuate even their more socially abhorrent characteristics. The sexual aspect is awkward too. I get the feeling that furries are the by-product of a developmental abnormality. I've met about 2 or 3 "normal" furries in my life.
That said, I still enjoy some anthropomorphic art and characters, I just wish furries didn't draw such a negative association.
3-4 years I think is a good way to get an approximation.Worgen said:I think judging any group by the actions of a portion of them is a mistake, but its also one of the hardest things to not do, I mean finding crazy examples of a group is easy since the crazy ones will loudly proclaim they are members, finding the saner members is harder since it means you have to actually find out if someone is a member of said group.axlryder said:Yeah, I see where you're coming from. There's definitely a truth to that. The issue is that their attitude seems to only accentuate more obvious flaws. If more of them actually possessed basic social faculties, then I don't think their self righteousness and egotism would come off as quite so unwarranted. That said, I suppose it's always good to empathize with the plights of others.Worgen said:I can kind of understand why they seem to egotistical and self righteous, I mean they are probably the easiest whipping boy on the entire internet, even pedo's seem to get more respect then they do, a sense of pride tends to come from situations like that. "they just hate what I am and I'm better because I'm not one of them" kinda thing, if they were more accepted it probably wouldn't be there quite as bad.axlryder said:In my own unfortunately extensive experience with furries, they're a heavily socially-defective bunch. That wouldn't be so bad if a lot of them didn't possess an egotistical self-righteousness and pridefully perpetuate even their more socially abhorrent characteristics. The sexual aspect is awkward too. I get the feeling that furries are the by-product of a developmental abnormality. I've met about 2 or 3 "normal" furries in my life.
That said, I still enjoy some anthropomorphic art and characters, I just wish furries didn't draw such a negative association.
I doubt it's just a small portion, it's almost definitely a large percentage if not the majority. As I said, I've met a LOT of furries. I'm not just referring to the loud, obvious furries either. Even the quieter ones or those who mostly stay within their own community. It all happened because I had this friend a couple years ago. I mostly befriended him because I felt sorry for him; he was a really weird dude. Awkward, selfish, obnoxious and practically no redeeming qualities. I tried my best to bring out the best in him, help him with his issues, but I ultimately just failed. Eventually he told me he was a furry. This is before I even knew what that was, and so I was genuinely curious. He made me friend all his friends on DA and made me get a fur affinity account. At first I tried to keep an open mind about the whole thing, but after branching out and meeting friends of friends and posting on the forums, the reality of the subculture became clear. Ultimately I met or interacted with a good 300-400 or so furries through forums, irc, DA, etc. They were almost all like clones of him with varying degrees of neurosis. Some hid it better than others. What I found odd is that so many of them had these same negative qualities that I mentioned earlier. Even my friend who had previously not even mentioned that he was a furry to anyone outside his own community. There were a few genuinely good ones in the bunch, but they were the vast minority. I'm sure that a lot of the better ones do stay away from sharing their interest (with forums like that why wouldn't you?), but I feel safe in saying they make up the minority. What's more, when judging a community, there's not much point in taking into account those who don't even seem to participate in said community. I'll admit to being a little biased, having had frustrating firsthand experience, but I don't think my position is all that ridiculous either. Though, I never really had to deal with the prosecution aspect firsthand (since I've never identified myself as a furry), so I'm sure many of them got a lot more shit than I did.Worgen said:I think judging any group by the actions of a portion of them is a mistake, but its also one of the hardest things to not do, I mean finding crazy examples of a group is easy since the crazy ones will loudly proclaim they are members, finding the saner members is harder since it means you have to actually find out if someone is a member of said group.axlryder said:Yeah, I see where you're coming from. There's definitely a truth to that. The issue is that their attitude seems to only accentuate more obvious flaws. If more of them actually possessed basic social faculties, then I don't think their self righteousness and egotism would come off as quite so unwarranted. That said, I suppose it's always good to empathize with the plights of others.Worgen said:I can kind of understand why they seem to egotistical and self righteous, I mean they are probably the easiest whipping boy on the entire internet, even pedo's seem to get more respect then they do, a sense of pride tends to come from situations like that. "they just hate what I am and I'm better because I'm not one of them" kinda thing, if they were more accepted it probably wouldn't be there quite as bad.axlryder said:In my own unfortunately extensive experience with furries, they're a heavily socially-defective bunch. That wouldn't be so bad if a lot of them didn't possess an egotistical self-righteousness and pridefully perpetuate even their more socially abhorrent characteristics. The sexual aspect is awkward too. I get the feeling that furries are the by-product of a developmental abnormality. I've met about 2 or 3 "normal" furries in my life.
That said, I still enjoy some anthropomorphic art and characters, I just wish furries didn't draw such a negative association.
I still don't really buy it but then again I have never actually looked into furry beyond the art they draw and to understand what broad versions of them there are. If you find the art offensive then you probably shouldn't be on the internet anyway since there is much more fucked up stuff that ppl take pictures of.axlryder said:I doubt it's just a small portion, it's almost definitely a large percentage if not the majority. As I said, I've met a LOT of furries. I'm not just referring to the loud, obvious furries either. Even the quieter ones or those who mostly stay within their own community. It all happened because I had this friend a couple years ago. I mostly befriended him because I felt sorry for him; he was a really weird dude. Awkward, selfish, obnoxious and practically no redeeming qualities. I tried my best to bring out the best in him, help him with his issues, but I ultimately just failed. Eventually he told me he was a furry. This is before I even knew what that was, and so I was genuinely curious. He made me friend all his friends on DA and made me get a fur affinity account. At first I tried to keep an open mind about the whole thing, but after branching out and meeting friends of friends and posting on the forums, the reality of the subculture became clear. Ultimately I met or interacted with a good 300-400 or so furries through forums, irc, DA, etc. They were almost all like clones of him with varying degrees of neurosis. Some hid it better than others. What I found odd is that so many of them had these same negative qualities that I mentioned earlier. Even my friend who had previously not even mentioned that he was a furry to anyone outside his own community. There were a few genuinely good ones in the bunch, but they were the vast minority. I'm sure that a lot of the better ones do stay away from sharing their interest (with forums like that why wouldn't you?), but I feel safe in saying they make up the minority. What's more, when judging a community, there's not much point in taking into account those who don't even seem to participate in said community. I'll admit to being a little biased, having had frustrating firsthand experience, but I don't think my position is all that ridiculous either. Though, I never really had to deal with the prosecution aspect firsthand (since I've never identified myself as a furry), so I'm sure many of them got a lot more shit than I did.Worgen said:I think judging any group by the actions of a portion of them is a mistake, but its also one of the hardest things to not do, I mean finding crazy examples of a group is easy since the crazy ones will loudly proclaim they are members, finding the saner members is harder since it means you have to actually find out if someone is a member of said group.axlryder said:Yeah, I see where you're coming from. There's definitely a truth to that. The issue is that their attitude seems to only accentuate more obvious flaws. If more of them actually possessed basic social faculties, then I don't think their self righteousness and egotism would come off as quite so unwarranted. That said, I suppose it's always good to empathize with the plights of others.Worgen said:I can kind of understand why they seem to egotistical and self righteous, I mean they are probably the easiest whipping boy on the entire internet, even pedo's seem to get more respect then they do, a sense of pride tends to come from situations like that. "they just hate what I am and I'm better because I'm not one of them" kinda thing, if they were more accepted it probably wouldn't be there quite as bad.axlryder said:In my own unfortunately extensive experience with furries, they're a heavily socially-defective bunch. That wouldn't be so bad if a lot of them didn't possess an egotistical self-righteousness and pridefully perpetuate even their more socially abhorrent characteristics. The sexual aspect is awkward too. I get the feeling that furries are the by-product of a developmental abnormality. I've met about 2 or 3 "normal" furries in my life.
That said, I still enjoy some anthropomorphic art and characters, I just wish furries didn't draw such a negative association.
I guess I'd personally see it as a way of expressing oneself, imagine as of each species or each thing picks their "avatar" based on who they are.Worgen said:I still don't really buy it but then again I have never actually looked into furry beyond the art they draw and to understand what broad versions of them there are. If you find the art offensive then you probably shouldn't be on the internet anyway since there is much more fucked up stuff that ppl take pictures of.axlryder said:I doubt it's just a small portion, it's almost definitely a large percentage if not the majority. As I said, I've met a LOT of furries. I'm not just referring to the loud, obvious furries either. Even the quieter ones or those who mostly stay within their own community. It all happened because I had this friend a couple years ago. I mostly befriended him because I felt sorry for him; he was a really weird dude. Awkward, selfish, obnoxious and practically no redeeming qualities. I tried my best to bring out the best in him, help him with his issues, but I ultimately just failed. Eventually he told me he was a furry. This is before I even knew what that was, and so I was genuinely curious. He made me friend all his friends on DA and made me get a fur affinity account. At first I tried to keep an open mind about the whole thing, but after branching out and meeting friends of friends and posting on the forums, the reality of the subculture became clear. Ultimately I met or interacted with a good 300-400 or so furries through forums, irc, DA, etc. They were almost all like clones of him with varying degrees of neurosis. Some hid it better than others. What I found odd is that so many of them had these same negative qualities that I mentioned earlier. Even my friend who had previously not even mentioned that he was a furry to anyone outside his own community. There were a few genuinely good ones in the bunch, but they were the vast minority. I'm sure that a lot of the better ones do stay away from sharing their interest (with forums like that why wouldn't you?), but I feel safe in saying they make up the minority. What's more, when judging a community, there's not much point in taking into account those who don't even seem to participate in said community. I'll admit to being a little biased, having had frustrating firsthand experience, but I don't think my position is all that ridiculous either. Though, I never really had to deal with the prosecution aspect firsthand (since I've never identified myself as a furry), so I'm sure many of them got a lot more shit than I did.Worgen said:I think judging any group by the actions of a portion of them is a mistake, but its also one of the hardest things to not do, I mean finding crazy examples of a group is easy since the crazy ones will loudly proclaim they are members, finding the saner members is harder since it means you have to actually find out if someone is a member of said group.axlryder said:Yeah, I see where you're coming from. There's definitely a truth to that. The issue is that their attitude seems to only accentuate more obvious flaws. If more of them actually possessed basic social faculties, then I don't think their self righteousness and egotism would come off as quite so unwarranted. That said, I suppose it's always good to empathize with the plights of others.Worgen said:I can kind of understand why they seem to egotistical and self righteous, I mean they are probably the easiest whipping boy on the entire internet, even pedo's seem to get more respect then they do, a sense of pride tends to come from situations like that. "they just hate what I am and I'm better because I'm not one of them" kinda thing, if they were more accepted it probably wouldn't be there quite as bad.axlryder said:In my own unfortunately extensive experience with furries, they're a heavily socially-defective bunch. That wouldn't be so bad if a lot of them didn't possess an egotistical self-righteousness and pridefully perpetuate even their more socially abhorrent characteristics. The sexual aspect is awkward too. I get the feeling that furries are the by-product of a developmental abnormality. I've met about 2 or 3 "normal" furries in my life.
That said, I still enjoy some anthropomorphic art and characters, I just wish furries didn't draw such a negative association.
I kinda screwed up that sentence, I meant that I looked it up to know what varieties of furrys there were, it seems like fursuiters are more of a subset of furries then the whole thing.Terminate421 said:I guess I'd personally see it as a way of expressing oneself, imagine as of each species or each thing picks their "avatar" based on who they are.Worgen said:I still don't really buy it but then again I have never actually looked into furry beyond the art they draw and to understand what broad versions of them there are. If you find the art offensive then you probably shouldn't be on the internet anyway since there is much more fucked up stuff that ppl take pictures of.axlryder said:I doubt it's just a small portion, it's almost definitely a large percentage if not the majority. As I said, I've met a LOT of furries. I'm not just referring to the loud, obvious furries either. Even the quieter ones or those who mostly stay within their own community. It all happened because I had this friend a couple years ago. I mostly befriended him because I felt sorry for him; he was a really weird dude. Awkward, selfish, obnoxious and practically no redeeming qualities. I tried my best to bring out the best in him, help him with his issues, but I ultimately just failed. Eventually he told me he was a furry. This is before I even knew what that was, and so I was genuinely curious. He made me friend all his friends on DA and made me get a fur affinity account. At first I tried to keep an open mind about the whole thing, but after branching out and meeting friends of friends and posting on the forums, the reality of the subculture became clear. Ultimately I met or interacted with a good 300-400 or so furries through forums, irc, DA, etc. They were almost all like clones of him with varying degrees of neurosis. Some hid it better than others. What I found odd is that so many of them had these same negative qualities that I mentioned earlier. Even my friend who had previously not even mentioned that he was a furry to anyone outside his own community. There were a few genuinely good ones in the bunch, but they were the vast minority. I'm sure that a lot of the better ones do stay away from sharing their interest (with forums like that why wouldn't you?), but I feel safe in saying they make up the minority. What's more, when judging a community, there's not much point in taking into account those who don't even seem to participate in said community. I'll admit to being a little biased, having had frustrating firsthand experience, but I don't think my position is all that ridiculous either. Though, I never really had to deal with the prosecution aspect firsthand (since I've never identified myself as a furry), so I'm sure many of them got a lot more shit than I did.Worgen said:I think judging any group by the actions of a portion of them is a mistake, but its also one of the hardest things to not do, I mean finding crazy examples of a group is easy since the crazy ones will loudly proclaim they are members, finding the saner members is harder since it means you have to actually find out if someone is a member of said group.axlryder said:Yeah, I see where you're coming from. There's definitely a truth to that. The issue is that their attitude seems to only accentuate more obvious flaws. If more of them actually possessed basic social faculties, then I don't think their self righteousness and egotism would come off as quite so unwarranted. That said, I suppose it's always good to empathize with the plights of others.Worgen said:I can kind of understand why they seem to egotistical and self righteous, I mean they are probably the easiest whipping boy on the entire internet, even pedo's seem to get more respect then they do, a sense of pride tends to come from situations like that. "they just hate what I am and I'm better because I'm not one of them" kinda thing, if they were more accepted it probably wouldn't be there quite as bad.axlryder said:In my own unfortunately extensive experience with furries, they're a heavily socially-defective bunch. That wouldn't be so bad if a lot of them didn't possess an egotistical self-righteousness and pridefully perpetuate even their more socially abhorrent characteristics. The sexual aspect is awkward too. I get the feeling that furries are the by-product of a developmental abnormality. I've met about 2 or 3 "normal" furries in my life.
That said, I still enjoy some anthropomorphic art and characters, I just wish furries didn't draw such a negative association.
Off topic but out of curiosity, of you were held at gun point to choose your animal for the fandom what would you go with? I'm no furry myself but if forced to...I'd say either a Penguin or Raven
It has nothing to do with the art; it's the people. Please don't go misconstruing people's intentions and then make patronizing comments based around that misinterpretation. The sexual aspect is only awkward because of the way they neurotically insert it into practically every aspect of their community and then go whining about how being a furry isn't just a "fetish" even though the topic of sex is nigh-omnipresent in their conversations. Clearly if I was so bothered by it I wouldn't have gotten as entrenched in their culture as I did. What's more, whether or not you choose to take our firsthand knowledge seriously has little bearing on the reality of the situation, and your own limited insight on the community is all the more reason for you to take someone who has had far more experience with them at their word.Worgen said:I still don't really buy it but then again I have never actually looked into furry beyond the art they draw and to understand what broad versions of them there are. If you find the art offensive then you probably shouldn't be on the internet anyway since there is much more fucked up stuff that ppl take pictures of.axlryder said:I doubt it's just a small portion, it's almost definitely a large percentage if not the majority. As I said, I've met a LOT of furries. I'm not just referring to the loud, obvious furries either. Even the quieter ones or those who mostly stay within their own community. It all happened because I had this friend a couple years ago. I mostly befriended him because I felt sorry for him; he was a really weird dude. Awkward, selfish, obnoxious and practically no redeeming qualities. I tried my best to bring out the best in him, help him with his issues, but I ultimately just failed. Eventually he told me he was a furry. This is before I even knew what that was, and so I was genuinely curious. He made me friend all his friends on DA and made me get a fur affinity account. At first I tried to keep an open mind about the whole thing, but after branching out and meeting friends of friends and posting on the forums, the reality of the subculture became clear. Ultimately I met or interacted with a good 300-400 or so furries through forums, irc, DA, etc. They were almost all like clones of him with varying degrees of neurosis. Some hid it better than others. What I found odd is that so many of them had these same negative qualities that I mentioned earlier. Even my friend who had previously not even mentioned that he was a furry to anyone outside his own community. There were a few genuinely good ones in the bunch, but they were the vast minority. I'm sure that a lot of the better ones do stay away from sharing their interest (with forums like that why wouldn't you?), but I feel safe in saying they make up the minority. What's more, when judging a community, there's not much point in taking into account those who don't even seem to participate in said community. I'll admit to being a little biased, having had frustrating firsthand experience, but I don't think my position is all that ridiculous either. Though, I never really had to deal with the prosecution aspect firsthand (since I've never identified myself as a furry), so I'm sure many of them got a lot more shit than I did.Worgen said:I think judging any group by the actions of a portion of them is a mistake, but its also one of the hardest things to not do, I mean finding crazy examples of a group is easy since the crazy ones will loudly proclaim they are members, finding the saner members is harder since it means you have to actually find out if someone is a member of said group.axlryder said:Yeah, I see where you're coming from. There's definitely a truth to that. The issue is that their attitude seems to only accentuate more obvious flaws. If more of them actually possessed basic social faculties, then I don't think their self righteousness and egotism would come off as quite so unwarranted. That said, I suppose it's always good to empathize with the plights of others.Worgen said:I can kind of understand why they seem to egotistical and self righteous, I mean they are probably the easiest whipping boy on the entire internet, even pedo's seem to get more respect then they do, a sense of pride tends to come from situations like that. "they just hate what I am and I'm better because I'm not one of them" kinda thing, if they were more accepted it probably wouldn't be there quite as bad.axlryder said:In my own unfortunately extensive experience with furries, they're a heavily socially-defective bunch. That wouldn't be so bad if a lot of them didn't possess an egotistical self-righteousness and pridefully perpetuate even their more socially abhorrent characteristics. The sexual aspect is awkward too. I get the feeling that furries are the by-product of a developmental abnormality. I've met about 2 or 3 "normal" furries in my life.
That said, I still enjoy some anthropomorphic art and characters, I just wish furries didn't draw such a negative association.
I still have doubts but as I said, I haven't looked into it, as for the sex thing, I think that is more a societal thing then a furry thing, I mean we as a society have a weird relationship with sex, we love it and yet we are ashamed of it, thanks religion, you see just as much sex and porn with other things but people still seem to mostly focus on the sexual aspect of furry and tend to say it all has to do with sex. Life has to do with sex, it is pretty much the reason we do anything.axlryder said:It has nothing to do with the art; it's the people. Please don't go misconstruing people's intentions and then make patronizing comments based around that misinterpretation. The sexual aspect is only awkward because of the way they perpetually insert it into practically everything and then go whining about how being a furry isn't a "fetish" even though the topic of sex is nigh-omnipresent in their community. What's more, whether or not you choose to take our firsthand knowledge seriously has little bearing on the reality of the situation, and your own limited insight on the community is all the more reason for you to take someone who has had far more experience with them at their word.Worgen said:I still don't really buy it but then again I have never actually looked into furry beyond the art they draw and to understand what broad versions of them there are. If you find the art offensive then you probably shouldn't be on the internet anyway since there is much more fucked up stuff that ppl take pictures of.axlryder said:I doubt it's just a small portion, it's almost definitely a large percentage if not the majority. As I said, I've met a LOT of furries. I'm not just referring to the loud, obvious furries either. Even the quieter ones or those who mostly stay within their own community. It all happened because I had this friend a couple years ago. I mostly befriended him because I felt sorry for him; he was a really weird dude. Awkward, selfish, obnoxious and practically no redeeming qualities. I tried my best to bring out the best in him, help him with his issues, but I ultimately just failed. Eventually he told me he was a furry. This is before I even knew what that was, and so I was genuinely curious. He made me friend all his friends on DA and made me get a fur affinity account. At first I tried to keep an open mind about the whole thing, but after branching out and meeting friends of friends and posting on the forums, the reality of the subculture became clear. Ultimately I met or interacted with a good 300-400 or so furries through forums, irc, DA, etc. They were almost all like clones of him with varying degrees of neurosis. Some hid it better than others. What I found odd is that so many of them had these same negative qualities that I mentioned earlier. Even my friend who had previously not even mentioned that he was a furry to anyone outside his own community. There were a few genuinely good ones in the bunch, but they were the vast minority. I'm sure that a lot of the better ones do stay away from sharing their interest (with forums like that why wouldn't you?), but I feel safe in saying they make up the minority. What's more, when judging a community, there's not much point in taking into account those who don't even seem to participate in said community. I'll admit to being a little biased, having had frustrating firsthand experience, but I don't think my position is all that ridiculous either. Though, I never really had to deal with the prosecution aspect firsthand (since I've never identified myself as a furry), so I'm sure many of them got a lot more shit than I did.Worgen said:I think judging any group by the actions of a portion of them is a mistake, but its also one of the hardest things to not do, I mean finding crazy examples of a group is easy since the crazy ones will loudly proclaim they are members, finding the saner members is harder since it means you have to actually find out if someone is a member of said group.axlryder said:Yeah, I see where you're coming from. There's definitely a truth to that. The issue is that their attitude seems to only accentuate more obvious flaws. If more of them actually possessed basic social faculties, then I don't think their self righteousness and egotism would come off as quite so unwarranted. That said, I suppose it's always good to empathize with the plights of others.Worgen said:I can kind of understand why they seem to egotistical and self righteous, I mean they are probably the easiest whipping boy on the entire internet, even pedo's seem to get more respect then they do, a sense of pride tends to come from situations like that. "they just hate what I am and I'm better because I'm not one of them" kinda thing, if they were more accepted it probably wouldn't be there quite as bad.axlryder said:In my own unfortunately extensive experience with furries, they're a heavily socially-defective bunch. That wouldn't be so bad if a lot of them didn't possess an egotistical self-righteousness and pridefully perpetuate even their more socially abhorrent characteristics. The sexual aspect is awkward too. I get the feeling that furries are the by-product of a developmental abnormality. I've met about 2 or 3 "normal" furries in my life.
That said, I still enjoy some anthropomorphic art and characters, I just wish furries didn't draw such a negative association.