I'd buy one, but only after I buy a PS3, since that would compliment my PSP. Of course I'd mainly get it for the back catalog of games.
Basically, this list.buttscratch63 said:Snip
Could you perhaps explain why it is a piece of trash?elcamino41383 said:i sold my wii, thought it was a piece of trash and a waste. If there is a must have game for it though, its No More Heroes, by far
Every console is guilty of having "bad games" and what is wrong with getting other people into games? They start with the simple stuff and then move on if they like it to the bigger stuff.xXAsherahXx said:I strongly dislike it, it is not very responsive, it has really bad games, and it attracts non-gamers (I'm looking at you soccer mom and 6 year old child playing Wii Sports Resort, I see you).
And this is a bad thing because...? Surely if gaming is ever going to be accepted as a mainstream form of media and art, it's going to have to expand it's audience. You want controllers to remain in the hands of (predominatntly) teenage/early 20s males, in a world where gamers are branded as murderers-in-training after every school shooting or similar tragedy?xXAsherahXx said:and it attracts non-gamers (I'm looking at you soccer mom and 6 year old child playing Wii Sports Resort, I see you).
I just don't really want gaming to become something that is childish like going to a G movie. There are good G movies, but there is always the annoying kid crying. That's basically what I want gaming NOT to be. Yes I do want gaming to remain in the hands of teenagers/early 20s males.GuerrillaClock said:It's got a lot of crap, but if you have an eye for a good game there's many hours of gaming to be had with a Wii. Ignore the snobbery that it often gets greeted with on these forums, there are countless great games for it, the most recent of which, Super Mario Galaxy 2, is one of the most critically-acclaimed games of all time, probably second only to Ocarina of Time. Not bad for a console that's supposedly only for little kids.
And this is a bad thing because...? Surely if gaming is ever going to be accepted as a mainstream form of media and art, it's going to have to expand it's audience. You want controllers to remain in the hands of (predominatntly) teenage/early 20s males, in a world where gamers are branded as murderers-in-training after every school shooting or similar tragedy?xXAsherahXx said:and it attracts non-gamers (I'm looking at you soccer mom and 6 year old child playing Wii Sports Resort, I see you).
But it isn't going to become childish. It's just branching out. You think gaming companies are stupid enough to just abandon a whole section of their fanbase just to churn out minigame compliations? No. Some companies will go this way, but then they always have, and probably always will. Companies aren't that short sighted that they'll abandon a whole portion of their fanbase that way. And besides, if someone likes the idea of gaming, but is intimidated by jumping straight into Gears of War or something, then why shouldn't they buy Wii Sports or something to get a feel for it? Why shouldn't people buy the sort of games they're comfortable with? They're still just as much a gamer as you are, even though they can't pull off headshots from miles away on Halo.xXAsherahXx said:snip
Hm, that's quite a mouthful, it is a bonanza of information directed at making me go "Oh I must be wrong". No, I'm not in the wrong. Neither are you. I just don't want to see gaming design things specifically for young lings. It's like being in the movies (yes I'm using this again) and your seeing some good previews and you see this one you know is specifically engineered at pleasing little children. So, you go "Alright, I suppose I can allow this to pass" but, then you see a whole montage of really shitty jokes that are just bland and horrible. You think "Man, not even little kids want to see this pile of feces. This is what movies have become?"GuerrillaClock said:But it isn't going to become childish. It's just branching out. You think gaming companies are stupid enough to just abandon a whole section of their fanbase just to churn out minigame compliations? No. Some companies will go this way, but then they always have, and probably always will. Companies aren't that short sighted that they'll abandon a whole portion of their fanbase that way. And besides, if someone likes the idea of gaming, but is intimidated by jumping straight into Gears of War or something, then why shouldn't they buy Wii Sports or something to get a feel for it? Why shouldn't people buy the sort of games they're comfortable with? They're still just as much a gamer as you are, even though they can't pull off headshots from miles away on Halo.xXAsherahXx said:snip
If anything, it's this attitude, that people who play 'casual' games are somehow the pond scum of gaming, that is childish. Be thankful that gaming has finally evolved into something approaching a mainstream form of media, and is not the enemy anymore.
Also, saying you you want gaming to stick with the same target audience is incredibly short-sighted and narrow-minded. Do you know what happened to the comic book industry? It became so obsessed with pleasing the 'hardcore' fans that comics became increasingly complicated, with stupid amounts of characters and plots so complex they required several spin-off comics to even understand. The hardcores loved it, of course, but anyone who picked up these comics for the first time was fucked. They had no hope of getting into it, so they didn't bother. The hardcore fans bought all these comics, and the industry had a short boom. But then, the hardcores grew out of comics, or at least couldn't find the time in their lives to read as many of them any more. Because there were no new fans to replace the hardcores who dropped comics, the industry collapsed, and it still hasn't recovered. The same thing will happen to gaming if it doesn't branch out and attract new gamers, which thankfully, it is doing. So no, Nintendo are not making gaming 'childish', they're actually saving it. Again.
My point was that gaming isn't going to become more childish, just because there are more accessible 'casual' games than ever before doesn't mean that the whole industry is going to follow suit. It's sad that some developers are using the need for these accessible games top pump out brainless, simplistic drivel, but it was always going to happen like that. When I go into a film, and I see a trailer for a shitty film, I don't go "WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THE MOVIE INDUSTRY", I decide that, often, shitty films are released and I get over it. It doesn't spell the doom of an industry just because some companies are bandwagon-jumpers out to make a quick buck, this is how it's always been, from the Atari days onward.xXAsherahXx said:snippington
You are annoying me a bit. I have an opinion, fucking deal with it, don't just write a whole page long speech on how I am wrong. I haven't discredited everything you have said, and that's is all you're doing to me. Show some damn courtesy. I got your point, now get mine, then shut up, and we can live in peace.GuerrillaClock said:My point was that gaming isn't going to become more childish, just because there are more accessible 'casual' games than ever before doesn't mean that the whole industry is going to follow suit. It's sad that some developers are using the need for these accessible games top pump out brainless, simplistic drivel, but it was always going to happen like that. When I go into a film, and I see a trailer for a shitty film, I don't go "WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THE MOVIE INDUSTRY", I decide that, often, shitty films are released and I get over it. It doesn't spell the doom of an industry just because some companies are bandwagon-jumpers out to make a quick buck, this is how it's always been, from the Atari days onward.xXAsherahXx said:snippington
As for the comic analogy, I wasn't stating my own personal beef with it, and I don't have a problem with complex stories, I was simply stating facts. All that comic industry crash actually happened, and I was just drawing parallels with what was happening in the games industry, ie a fanbase which was growing further away from the mainstream, and becoming more exclusive, but without any large influx of new fans to keep it going when the old 'hardcore' fans either give up or dedicate less time to their hobby.