What do you think happened to Madeleine Mcann

[Auron225]

Most kids that are abducted are dead within 24 hours - so after 5 years? I find it insanely unlikely she is still alive. Either she was involved with human trafficking and whoever has seen her has been VERY careful not to let her into sight of anyone, or she died years ago and they hid the body pretty damn well.

It almost sounds like Im complimenting the culprits but dont get me wrong - there's a special circle of hell waiting for them.

 

[Amethyst Wind]

She's dead. I reckon the parents killed her in a VERY extreme case of Munchausen's syndrome. They want to be seen as doing everything they can to 'find' their little girl.

As far as I know there's not a single person who views them favourably (regardless of whether or not they did kill her) so it hasn't worked.

 

[saoirse13]

I'd say Child prostitution ring, if thats the case she may well still be alive. Look at Johnny Gosch, he's been missing nearly 30 years and there is more evidence to suggest that he is still alive and was more than likely taken by a prostitution ring. It's horrible to even think about what any missing child goes through.

 

[teebeeohh]

Probably dead, or worse, slipped into some sort of human trafficking.

Still, admittedly, it'd be wierd if she surfaced like 10 years later. God knows what she would have been through. What kind of person emerges from that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natascha_Kampusch

short version: it fucks you up royally but at least you can milk the whole thing for enough money to live for a while (because aside from lacking education and experience with the real world who would want to employ someone they know is this damaged)

 

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

I may be deemed a monster but... I hope she is dead.
I would much rather the young girl be dead than go through the the horrors she could possibly go through with whoever has taken her. Rumour has it she could have been taken for some kind of pedophile ring... If she was just lost and wandering around then she would have been picked up by now.

That or her parents know something more but I won't say anymore on that subject.
That & they live down the road from me.

You put that more delicately than I was about to... well done.

We can be monsters together.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

She was obviously killed by her parents. The ammount of sleaziness surrounding that family is off the fucking charts.

Yeah, it's so obvious, that they haven't even been charged with her 'murder' because of how obvious it is.

¬_¬

 

[mad825]

The parents likely got rid of her dead or alive. Possibly had outside help so that they could secure their alibi.

I'm just not buying the convince of the story, when and how. Someone would have been needed to be following them for a while just to pick an opportunistic time to snatch Madeleine.

 

[Treblaine]

She was obviously killed by her parents. The ammount of sleaziness surrounding that family is off the fucking charts.

Example of sleaze?

They campaigned publicly to increase the likelihood someone notices her. That's not sleazy.

She's dead. I reckon the parents killed her in a VERY extreme case of Munchausen's syndrome. They want to be seen as doing everything they can to 'find' their little girl.

As someone who has worked in the NHS I'll tell you far more dangerous than Münchhausen is MISDIAGNOSING Münchhausen syndrome. 999 times out of a Thousand it is genuine, Münchhausen is an extremely rare.

Absolutely NOTHING indicates Münchhausen Syndrome here, as there is a complete lack of the pattern of repeatedly taking the child in to hospital for nuisance issues before she disappeared.

You can't make such baseless accusations flying in the face of all evidence.

I can understand why people would like to indulge in such a fantasy of "parents killed her" as it's better than considering the horrific alternative. But that isn't going to help anyone. And it's typical, people aren't so much interested in the truth, just "someone to blame" and with no suspects the parents are the convenient scapegoat so that we can have some sort of finality on this.

But there is not evidence nor even indication.

Try to be scientific, part of being a good scientist is admitting that you do not know and not forcing a conclusion on inadequate evidence. Because a hasty inaccurate conclusion stands in the way of a TRUE assessment.

 

[Hipsy_Gypsy]

I reckon the parents had something to do with it. I still don't get why there was such a massive deal over it. I mean, don't get me wrong, it's a bad thing, but she's not the first little girl to go missing and they went on about it forever...

I'd second that.

It was a terrible thing, to be sure, but the world is full of terrible things, she got more than her fair share of attention. The media could have run a campaign about something more important people could actually do something about (though that line gets thrown around far too often).

Additionally...there are other little kids that go missing, who are deemed not worthy to get that sort of attention, that would seem to be considered unimportant and forgettable.

And for the record I'll just third it, haha. I remember talking about this in class whenever it first emerged too. It's strange to think that it happened five years ago and she'll still get the occasional mention on the news if it's a slow news day.

Now for the real reason I commented... dog-sitting 'cause everyone's out to watch parades, etc., and I was sitting browsing the TV. It was either Cartoonito or Disney Playhouse that had 'The Adventures of Madeline'come up.

I laughed.

Spoiler: The Adventures of Madeline

 

[Amethyst Wind]

She was obviously killed by her parents. The ammount of sleaziness surrounding that family is off the fucking charts.

Example of sleaze?

They campaigned publicly to increase the likelihood someone notices her. That's not sleazy.

She's dead. I reckon the parents killed her in a VERY extreme case of Munchausen's syndrome. They want to be seen as doing everything they can to 'find' their little girl.

As someone who has worked in the NHS I'll tell you far more dangerous than Münchhausen is MISDIAGNOSING Münchhausen syndrome. 999 times out of a Thousand it is genuine, Münchhausen is an extremely rare.

Absolutely NOTHING indicates Münchhausen Syndrome here, as there is a complete lack of the pattern of repeatedly taking the child in to hospital for nuisance issues before she disappeared.

You can't make such baseless accusations flying in the face of all evidence.

I can understand why people would like to indulge in such a fantasy of "parents killed her" as it's better than considering the horrific alternative. But that isn't going to help anyone. And it's typical, people aren't so much interested in the truth, just "someone to blame" and with no suspects the parents are the convenient scapegoat so that we can have some sort of finality on this.

But there is not evidence nor even indication.

Try to be scientific, part of being a good scientist is admitting that you do not know and not forcing a conclusion on inadequate evidence. Because a hasty inaccurate conclusion stands in the way of a TRUE assessment.

I think you misdiagnosed me as being a good scientist. You also misdiagnosed that I'd made a diagnosis. I stated a theory that hasn't been disproven yet. If you'd quoted my entire post instead of cherry picking you'd have also seen that I recognise that they hadn't been proven guilty of anything.

Could you possibly clarify how you worked in the NHS? I mean, the receptionists at the hospital or the truck drivers of medical supplies can be considered to have 'worked in the NHS'.

Try to be accurate, part of being an accurate communicator is reducing ambiguity in your statements. Because an ambiguous statement stands in the way of a TRUE 'TRUE' statement.

 

[Acton Hank]

Personally I think the parents killed her by accident.

My theory is that the kids were lively and loud so the parents gave them prescription drugs and the girl overdosed.

I don't buy that she was taken when the parents left them unsupervised while they ate at a restaurant in a foreign country, that's something no decently responsible parent would do, let alone licensed medical practitioners.

 

[Yopaz]

Don't know and I doubt we'll ever find out. There's a possibility her parents did it so I wont dismiss it. I don't know them personally and I don't have any way of judging them. They seem to be making a profit of what happened though so I guess that's one point against them, but that's not really evidence against them.

Hopefully she's dead rather than some slave.

 

[MeChaNiZ3D]

I made her skin into a hat and I wear it everywhere. I'm surprised no-one has noticed.

jk, but she is probably dead, regardless of whether or not it was the parents.

 

[Treblaine]

She was obviously killed by her parents. The ammount of sleaziness surrounding that family is off the fucking charts.

Example of sleaze?

They campaigned publicly to increase the likelihood someone notices her. That's not sleazy.

She's dead. I reckon the parents killed her in a VERY extreme case of Munchausen's syndrome. They want to be seen as doing everything they can to 'find' their little girl.

As someone who has worked in the NHS I'll tell you far more dangerous than Münchhausen is MISDIAGNOSING Münchhausen syndrome. 999 times out of a Thousand it is genuine, Münchhausen is an extremely rare.

Absolutely NOTHING indicates Münchhausen Syndrome here, as there is a complete lack of the pattern of repeatedly taking the child in to hospital for nuisance issues before she disappeared.

You can't make such baseless accusations flying in the face of all evidence.

I can understand why people would like to indulge in such a fantasy of "parents killed her" as it's better than considering the horrific alternative. But that isn't going to help anyone. And it's typical, people aren't so much interested in the truth, just "someone to blame" and with no suspects the parents are the convenient scapegoat so that we can have some sort of finality on this.

But there is no evidence nor even indication.

Try to be scientific, part of being a good scientist is admitting that you do not know and not forcing a conclusion on inadequate evidence. Because a hasty inaccurate conclusion stands in the way of a TRUE assessment.

I think you misdiagnosed me as being a good scientist. You also misdiagnosed that I'd made a diagnosis. I stated a theory that hasn't been disproven yet. If you'd quoted my entire post instead of cherry picking you'd have also seen that I recognise that they hadn't been proven guilty of anything.

Could you possibly clarify how you worked in the NHS? I mean, the receptionists at the hospital or the truck drivers of medical supplies can be considered to have 'worked in the NHS'.

Try to be accurate, part of being an accurate communicator is reducing ambiguity in your statements. Because an ambiguous statement stands in the way of a TRUE 'TRUE' statement.

"I stated a theory that hasn't been disproven yet."

What if you heard a "theory" that magic leprechauns exist. Now disprove it.

See, this is why the burden of proof is on the person who makes the CLAIM that they have to prove it, not that anyone else has to disprove it. Innocent till proven guilty. Scepticism. As Christopher Hitchens said, claims made without proof can be dismissed without proof.

You still reckoned without any evidence nor proof nor remotest indication that the parents were guilty of murder and a cover up.

I was a radiographer, dropped out for my health reasons. I dealt with patients on medical matters, I was no janitor.

Also: Give EXAMPLES of the sleaze that you directly accused the parents of being surrounded by.

 

[zelda2fanboy]

The "she's dead" theories don't hold as much water to me because I imagine creepy sex ring pedophiles would put too much value on a female to just kill her off. Also, killing her and leaving a body somewhere would create evidence. This is the same reason the "parents killed her" theory doesn't really work. If she were alive and forced into slavery, I would think the creeps who would utilize the services of such a ghastly enterprise would be like "Isn't that that kid?" and someone would talk.

She was probably taken to a country where people don't really care as much about this particular story. I mean, I've heard of this, but there are bigger missing children stories in America. I had to wikipedia it. One could easily dye a kid's hair and pass it off as their own. She was young enough that she'd be easily influenced and convinced that she was "okay" and with her "real" parents or something. Some nut out there might be thinking that taking her from her parents who would leave her alone was "for her own good." Or it could be a sick Jaycee Dugard / Elizabeth Smart situation, which is too horrifying to fathom.

 

[Treblaine]

Personally I think the parents killed her by accident.

My theory is that the kids were lively and loud so the parents gave them prescription drugs and the girl overdosed.

I don't buy that she was taken when the parents left them unsupervised while they ate at a restaurant in a foreign country, that's something no decently responsible parent would do, let alone licensed medical practitioners.

Another "theory" without a shred of evidence nor basic logical consistency.

There would be some shred of evidence of them giving sedatives to their boisterous kids such as prescription receipts or missing drugs from their work, and how the hell do you so tracelessly dispose of a body in a foreign country? The movements of the parents were well recorded at the time of the child's disappearance by restaurateurs and when they paid for their meal. They would have had MINUTES to discover their child had died, decided it was from drugs they gave them, made no attempt to call for medical help to attempt resuscitation and decide totally unanimously without any overheard argument that they need to fake a kidnapping and hide the body so well (in a country they don't know) that the body is never found even after 5 years.

And the dumbest part is both would have to not rat out the other knowing one had varying responsibility. They have not wavered at all from their account of events, that's consistent with them telling the truth, not lies.

Your "theory" barely even passes for a hypothesis.

And there is just the callousness of this "theory" that the parents would be so quick to throw their child's body away after they accidentally killed her just to save their own skin when they could just as easily come up with a more plausible excuse like the child took the drugs thinking they were candy, where they'd be unlikely to suffer any prosecution.

 

[Acton Hank]

Personally I think the parents killed her by accident.

My theory is that the kids were lively and loud so the parents gave them prescription drugs and the girl overdosed.

I don't buy that she was taken when the parents left them unsupervised while they ate at a restaurant in a foreign country, that's something no decently responsible parent would do, let alone licensed medical practitioners.

Another "theory" without a shred of evidence nor basic logical consistency.

There would be some shred of evidence of them giving sedatives to their boisterous kids such as prescription receipts or missing drugs from their work, and how the hell do you so tracelessly dispose of a body in a foreign country? The movements of the parents were well recorded at the time of the child's disappearance by restaurateurs and when they paid for their meal. They would have had MINUTES to discover their child had died, decided it was from drugs they gave them, made no attempt to call for medical help to attempt resuscitation and decide totally unanimously without any overheard argument that they need to fake a kidnapping and hide the body so well (in a country they don't know) that the body is never found even after 5 years.

And the dumbest part is both would have to not rat out the other knowing one had varying responsibility. They have not wavered at all from their account of events, that's consistent with them telling the truth, not lies.

Your "theory" barely even passes for a hypothesis.

And there is just the callousness of this "theory" that the parents would be so quick to throw their child's body away after they accidentally killed her just to save their own skin when they could just as easily come up with a more plausible excuse like the child took the drugs thinking they were candy, where they'd be unlikely to suffer any prosecution.

Personally I think the parents killed her by accident.

My theory is that the kids were lively and loud so the parents gave them prescription drugs and the girl overdosed.

I don't buy that she was taken when the parents left them unsupervised while they ate at a restaurant in a foreign country, that's something no decently responsible parent would do, let alone licensed medical practitioners.

Another "theory" without a shred of evidence nor basic logical consistency.

There would be some shred of evidence of them giving sedatives to their boisterous kids such as prescription receipts or missing drugs from their work, and how the hell do you so tracelesly dispose of a body in a foreign country? The movements of the parents were well recorded at the time of the child's disappearance by restaurateurs and when they paid for their meal. They would have had MINUTES to discover their child had died, decided it was from drugs they gave them, made no attempt to call for medical help to attempt resuscitation and decide totally unanimously without any overheard argument that they need to fake a kidnapping and hide the body so well (in a country they don't know) that the body is never found even after 5 years.

And the dumbest part is both would have to not rat out the other knowing one had varying responsibility. They have not wavered at all from their account of events, that's consistent with them telling the truth, not lies.

Your "theory" barely even passes for a hypothesis.

And there is just the callousness of this "theory" that the parents would be so quick to throw their child's body away after they accidentally killed her just to save their own skin when they could just as easily come up with a more plausible excuse like the child took the drugs thinking they were candy, where they'd be unlikely to suffer any prosecution.

Look at the big brain on Treblaine! You deserve a cookie!

It was just what my thoughts were based on the information I got from watching a bit of the news from 5 years ago.

Oh, and if a child accidentally takes prescription drugs thinking they were candy and dies as a result the parent's neglect, then that is punishable by law, it's called criminally negligent manslaughter.

Actually the whole "mistaking the drugs for candy is probably more likely" thanks for bringing that to my attention.

 

[Treblaine]

Personally I think the parents killed her by accident.

My theory is that the kids were lively and loud so the parents gave them prescription drugs and the girl overdosed.

I don't buy that she was taken when the parents left them unsupervised while they ate at a restaurant in a foreign country, that's something no decently responsible parent would do, let alone licensed medical practitioners.

Another "theory" without a shred of evidence nor basic logical consistency.

There would be some shred of evidence of them giving sedatives to their boisterous kids such as prescription receipts or missing drugs from their work, and how the hell do you so tracelessly dispose of a body in a foreign country? The movements of the parents were well recorded at the time of the child's disappearance by restaurateurs and when they paid for their meal. They would have had MINUTES to discover their child had died, decided it was from drugs they gave them, made no attempt to call for medical help to attempt resuscitation and decide totally unanimously without any overheard argument that they need to fake a kidnapping and hide the body so well (in a country they don't know) that the body is never found even after 5 years.

And the dumbest part is both would have to not rat out the other knowing one had varying responsibility. They have not wavered at all from their account of events, that's consistent with them telling the truth, not lies.

Your "theory" barely even passes for a hypothesis.

And there is just the callousness of this "theory" that the parents would be so quick to throw their child's body away after they accidentally killed her just to save their own skin when they could just as easily come up with a more plausible excuse like the child took the drugs thinking they were candy, where they'd be unlikely to suffer any prosecution.

Look at the big brain on Treblaine! You deserve a cookie?

It was just what my thought based on the information I got from watching a bit of the news from 5 years ago.

Oh and if a child accidentally takes prescription drugs thinking they were candy and dies as a result the parent's neglect, then that is punishable by law, it's called criminally negligent manslaughter.

Actually the whole "mistaking the drugs for candy is probably more likely" thanks for bringing that to my attention.

I'd rather have big brain than a big mouth.

Parents don't go to prison for their kids being accidentally poisoned. They DO go to prison for trying to dispose of their body and claiming their child was kidnapped. This happens ALL THE TIME as the poison-control department of hospitals parents bring in their kids who somehow got poisoned, and parents do NOT go to prison because their kids get accidentally poisoned... IF they do everything they can to cooperate with the authorities like immediately reporting the poisoning and trying to get treatment. The McCanns would know this better than anyone.

It was just what my thought based on the information I got from watching a bit of the news from 5 years ago.

Well maybe do some more research before you accuse parents who have suffered such a loss of such a horrible thing.

This "poisoned, impossibly hide body" is an insultingly ignorant accusation.

 

[verdant monkai]

Even if she is still alive I doubt she will be the same person she would have been had she not been abducted.

I hate to be disgusting but there are very few things, little girls with middle class parents incapable of delivering a good ransom, are abducted for. And I don't really want to think about them.