What do you think happened to Madeleine Mcann

[Acton Hank]

Personally I think the parents killed her by accident.

My theory is that the kids were lively and loud so the parents gave them prescription drugs and the girl overdosed.

I don't buy that she was taken when the parents left them unsupervised while they ate at a restaurant in a foreign country, that's something no decently responsible parent would do, let alone licensed medical practitioners.

Another "theory" without a shred of evidence nor basic logical consistency.

There would be some shred of evidence of them giving sedatives to their boisterous kids such as prescription receipts or missing drugs from their work, and how the hell do you so tracelessly dispose of a body in a foreign country? The movements of the parents were well recorded at the time of the child's disappearance by restaurateurs and when they paid for their meal. They would have had MINUTES to discover their child had died, decided it was from drugs they gave them, made no attempt to call for medical help to attempt resuscitation and decide totally unanimously without any overheard argument that they need to fake a kidnapping and hide the body so well (in a country they don't know) that the body is never found even after 5 years.

And the dumbest part is both would have to not rat out the other knowing one had varying responsibility. They have not wavered at all from their account of events, that's consistent with them telling the truth, not lies.

Your "theory" barely even passes for a hypothesis.

And there is just the callousness of this "theory" that the parents would be so quick to throw their child's body away after they accidentally killed her just to save their own skin when they could just as easily come up with a more plausible excuse like the child took the drugs thinking they were candy, where they'd be unlikely to suffer any prosecution.

Look at the big brain on Treblaine! You deserve a cookie?

It was just what my thought based on the information I got from watching a bit of the news from 5 years ago.

Oh and if a child accidentally takes prescription drugs thinking they were candy and dies as a result the parent's neglect, then that is punishable by law, it's called criminally negligent manslaughter.

Actually the whole "mistaking the drugs for candy is probably more likely" thanks for bringing that to my attention.

I'd rather have big brain than a big mouth.

Parents don't go to prison for their kids being accidentally poisoned. They DO go to prison for trying to dispose of their body and claiming their child was kidnapped. This happens ALL THE TIME as the poison-control department of hospitals parents bring in their kids who somehow got poisoned, and parents do NOT go to prison because their kids get accidentally poisoned... IF they do everything they can to cooperate with the authorities like immediately reporting the poisoning and trying to get treatment. The McCanns would know this better than anyone.

It was just what my thought based on the information I got from watching a bit of the news from 5 years ago.

Well maybe do some more research before you accuse parents who have suffered such a loss of such a horrible thing.

This "poisoned, impossibly hide body" is an insultingly ignorant accusation.

Why accuse me of having a big mouth? You said a lot more than me.

IF the kid in question is poisoned as a RESULT of the PARENT'S NEGLECT, then that is a criminal offense punishable by law.

If they had taken Madeline to the Hospital and by some miracle they managed to resuscitate her then the doctors would have found the cause of the incident and more than likely social services would have taken Madeline and the rest of the kids into custody.

I clearly remember on the news that the parents left the kids unsupervised and that only Madeline was gone and her siblings were left untouched.

That says two things to me, the parents were careless to the point of being stupid, and a prostitution ring probably isn't behind it because they likely would have taken all the kids and not just Madeline.

I didn't say "poisoned" and contrary to what you might think, hiding a dead body is not that difficult.

Personally I don't view the parents as victims, they left their kids without supervision in place where there easily could have been, if it was a kidnapping it was just as much their fault as the kidnapper.

And I'm not accusing anyone, I don't have the basic personal interest for that.

It makes me wonder why you've bothered to make such a discussion based on a few lines of text.

You happen to know the Mccanns? Or someone with a similar "tragedy"?

 

[Zipa]

She is most likely dead, as terrible as that is it does beat the alternatives if the police are correct and she was picked up by a pedophile or prostitution gang.


That or she is going to be one of those kids who is illegally adopted because she fitted a particular look (blonde hair ect )

Personally though I think its a fucking utter disgrace that her parents are able to walk free and play the victim card all this time, its their own fucking fault for going off and getting drunk while leaving their daughter alone. They should be chemically sterilized as its clear they are incapable of ever being responsible parents.

 

[Treblaine]

Why accuse me of having a big mouth? You said a lot more than me.

IF the kid in question is poisoned as a RESULT of the PARENT'S NEGLECT, then that is a criminal offense punishable by law.

If they had taken Madeline to the Hospital and by some miracle they managed to resuscitate her then the doctors would have found the cause of the incident and more than likely social services would have taken Madeline and the rest of the kids into custody.

I clearly remember on the news that the parents left the kids unsupervised and that only Madeline was gone and her siblings were left untouched.

That says two things to me, the parents were careless to the point of being stupid, and a prostitution ring probably isn't behind it because they likely would have taken all the kids and not just Madeline.

I didn't say "poisoned" and contrary to what you might think, hiding a dead body is not that difficult.

Personally I don't view the parents as victims, they left their kids without supervision in place where there easily could have been, if it was a kidnapping it was just as much their fault as the kidnapper.

And I'm not accusing anyone, I don't have the basic personal interest for that.

It makes me wonder why you've bothered to make such a discussion based on a few lines of text.

You happen to know the Mccanns? Or someone with a similar "tragedy"?

I just said which (or big brain/mouth) I'd rather have.

Fact: if parents were routinely imprisoned every time they brought their poisoned kid into hospital, then parents wouldn't ever take their poisoned kids in for treatment.

Fact: parents are NOT routinely prosecuted for children in their care accidentally being poisoned.

Fact: children are NOT routinely taken into custody of social services for accidental poisoning, only indication that parents are likely to leave dangerous substances out again.

Fact: reliably hiding a body is very hard in a country that you are unfamiliar with is very hard when you have all of FIVE MINUTES and absolutely no time to discuss this in private as the disappearance was at a time they were having dinner with friends.

Fact: the child disappeared when the parents were having dinner with other people and the child was discovered missing while they were talking with other people.

"prostitution ring probably isn't behind it because they likely would have taken all the kids and not just Madeline."

You assume it was a prostitution ring but even if it was, how could one person carry three children at once? Or even more than one child at once without waking them and them making a lot of noise. A man - that was not Gerry McCann - was seen carrying a small girl that looked like Madeline walking away.

You didn't say "poisoning" but you mean poisoning when you talk about a lethal dose of a consumed chemical is poisoning. It is not a loaded term, it may be either intentional or unintentional.

"if it was a kidnapping it was just as much their fault as the kidnapper."

Are you a parent? They were only 120m away and were checked on every 20 minutes.

"And I'm not accusing anyone"

yes you ARE!!

"It makes me wonder why you've bothered to make such a discussion based on a few lines of text."

Well wonder no more: because it was an outrageously offensive and ignorant thing to say.

I have common sense not to make such inflammatory accusations of parents who've had their little girl taken from them.

Deal with the FACTS, not with fantasy.

 

[Treblaine]

Personally though I think its a fucking utter disgrace that her parents are able to walk free and play the victim card all this time, its their own fucking fault for going off and getting drunk while leaving their daughter alone. They should be chemically sterilized as its clear they are incapable of ever being responsible parents.

No.

It is NOT the parents "own fucking fault" it is the fault of whoever opened sneaked in through that window and stole the child from her bed.

This was literally a few minutes of not constantly watching over them that it happened. I can guarantee almost every parent in the world has done such a minor oversight at least once.

This is blatant scape-goating, attacking the parents because we don't have the perpetrator themselves, don't you think the parents are suffering enough without everyone heaping all the blame ("their fault") for what someone else did that night?!?!

 

[Zipa]

Personally though I think its a fucking utter disgrace that her parents are able to walk free and play the victim card all this time, its their own fucking fault for going off and getting drunk while leaving their daughter alone. They should be chemically sterilized as its clear they are incapable of ever being responsible parents.

No.

It is NOT the parents "own fucking fault" it is the fault of whoever opened sneaked in through that window and stole the child from her bed.

This was literally a few minutes of not constantly watching over them that it happened. I can guarantee almost every parent in the world has done such a minor oversight at least once.

This is blatant scape-goating, attacking the parents because we don't have the perpetrator themselves, don't you think the parents are suffering enough without everyone heaping all the blame ("their fault") for what someone else did that night?!?!

There's a difference between leaving their kids for a few minutes while they chatted to a neighbor and leaving them alone in a ground floor hotel with unlocked patio doors while they dined in a restaurant with friends. Eating generally takes more than a few minutes unless you are the worlds fastest eater. That and there was no real excuse about leaving them alone with the availability of both a creche and babysitters available to them. Plus even if they couldn't use the creche or babysitters for whatever reason they should of stayed with their kids then they might not be missing a daughter. No responsible parent would do what they did.

I really do hope they feel guilty about it for the rest of their lives because they deserve no less because best case they fucked up the life of a child or ended one worst case.

 

[Acton Hank]

Why accuse me of having a big mouth? You said a lot more than me.

IF the kid in question is poisoned as a RESULT of the PARENT'S NEGLECT, then that is a criminal offense punishable by law.

If they had taken Madeline to the Hospital and by some miracle they managed to resuscitate her then the doctors would have found the cause of the incident and more than likely social services would have taken Madeline and the rest of the kids into custody.

I clearly remember on the news that the parents left the kids unsupervised and that only Madeline was gone and her siblings were left untouched.

That says two things to me, the parents were careless to the point of being stupid, and a prostitution ring probably isn't behind it because they likely would have taken all the kids and not just Madeline.

I didn't say "poisoned" and contrary to what you might think, hiding a dead body is not that difficult.

Personally I don't view the parents as victims, they left their kids without supervision in place where there easily could have been, if it was a kidnapping it was just as much their fault as the kidnapper.

And I'm not accusing anyone, I don't have the basic personal interest for that.

It makes me wonder why you've bothered to make such a discussion based on a few lines of text.

You happen to know the Mccanns? Or someone with a similar "tragedy"?

I just said which (or big brain/mouth) I'd rather have.

Fact: if parents were routinely imprisoned every time they brought their poisoned kid into hospital, then parents wouldn't ever take their poisoned kids in for treatment.

Fact: parents are NOT routinely prosecuted for children in their care accidentally being poisoned.

Fact: children are NOT routinely taken into custody of social services for accidental poisoning, only indication that parents are likely to leave dangerous substances out again.

Fact: reliably hiding a body is very hard in a country that you are unfamiliar with is very hard when you have all of FIVE MINUTES and absolutely no time to discuss this in private as the disappearance was at a time they were having dinner with friends.

Fact: the child disappeared when the parents were having dinner with other people and the child was discovered missing while they were talking with other people.

"prostitution ring probably isn't behind it because they likely would have taken all the kids and not just Madeline."

You assume it was a prostitution ring but even if it was, how could one person carry three children at once? Or even more than one child at once without waking them and them making a lot of noise. A man - that was not Gerry McCann - was seen carrying a small girl that looked like Madeline walking away.

You didn't say "poisoning" but you mean poisoning when you talk about a lethal dose of a consumed chemical is poisoning. It is not a loaded term, it may be either intentional or unintentional.

"if it was a kidnapping it was just as much their fault as the kidnapper."

Are you a parent? They were only 120m away and were checked on every 20 minutes.

"And I'm not accusing anyone"

yes you ARE!!

"It makes me wonder why you've bothered to make such a discussion based on a few lines of text."

Well wonder no more: because it was an outrageously offensive and ignorant thing to say.

I have common sense not to make such inflammatory accusations of parents who've had their little girl taken from them.

Deal with the FACTS, not with fantasy.

"Fact: if parents were routinely imprisoned every time they brought their poisoned kid into hospital, then parents wouldn't ever take their poisoned kids in for treatment."
Poisoned as a result of parent negligence is different and is a criminal offence. GET IT!?

First: What part of "If a kid dies because of irresponsible behavior on the parents part, the parent is legally punishable" do you consistently fail to comprehend?

Second: They went to eat at a bar at 8:30 and the last time they checked on the kids was at 9:30 and the parents returned at 10. They left the apartment unlocked. An unlocked apartment with 3 infants in a foreign country and only check every 20 minutes while you eat at a bar. No sitter? No locking the apartment door? The parents are fucking idiots or they're hiding something.

Third: The fact that Madeline's "bodily fluids" were found in the boot of the car the parents rented warrants at the very least a small semblance of suspicion.

Fourth: I have no sympathy for parents who lose their children as a result of their incompetence and stupidity and I see no offense in saying that they deserve none.

My sympathy lies with the person who potentially lost her life and the 2 kids who have to grow up with the aforementioned parents.

Long story short, weather she was poisoned or kidnapped it's still the something the parents could have easily avoided, so no "Oh they lost their kid, isn't that awful" from me.

 

[Acton Hank]

Personally though I think its a fucking utter disgrace that her parents are able to walk free and play the victim card all this time, its their own fucking fault for going off and getting drunk while leaving their daughter alone. They should be chemically sterilized as its clear they are incapable of ever being responsible parents.

No.

It is NOT the parents "own fucking fault" it is the fault of whoever opened sneaked in through that window and stole the child from her bed.

This was literally a few minutes of not constantly watching over them that it happened. I can guarantee almost every parent in the world has done such a minor oversight at least once.

This is blatant scape-goating, attacking the parents because we don't have the perpetrator themselves, don't you think the parents are suffering enough without everyone heaping all the blame ("their fault") for what someone else did that night?!?!

"It is NOT the parents "own fucking fault" it is the fault of whoever opened sneaked in through that window and stole the child from her bed."

I recall the door being left unlocked. And yes it is their fault because if it is true then it's something they easily could have avoided by hiring a sitter.

 

[Acton Hank]

She is most likely dead, as terrible as that is it does beat the alternatives if the police are correct and she was picked up by a pedophile or prostitution gang.


That or she is going to be one of those kids who is illegally adopted because she fitted a particular look (blonde hair ect )

Personally though I think its a fucking utter disgrace that her parents are able to walk free and play the victim card all this time, its their own fucking fault for going off and getting drunk while leaving their daughter alone. They should be chemically sterilized as its clear they are incapable of ever being responsible parents.

Prostitution rings don't discriminate, if they were the culprits all 3 children would have disappeared.

The illegal adoption (blond hair etc) is more likely.

Also the fact that they were doctors makes it worse, since these people are also given responsibility when it comes to the well being of complete strangers.

 

[Headdrivehardscrew]

I am past paying much attention to the case, as we're well beyond finding out the truth until someone steps forward and spills the beans.

Personally, I find a scenario involving her parents, most probably her mother, to be the most probable.

I would have liked to see more actual proper police work done on everything.

Most probably, the mother sedated her so 'nothing bad would happen' while the parents went out for dinner. If Maddie suffocated or otherwise died all by herself because of this, both parents had a vested interest in making her disappear, as they probably both would have run into far more severe issues beyond a dead or disappeared daughter. Sedating your kids so you can have a good time wasn't in any parenting 101 books I've ever seen, and I'm pretty certain there are laws against doing so, even if you don't end up killing your own children.

I remember Maddie was made a ward of court during 2007... hold on... yeah, it says 'summer of 2007', when she disappeared on 3 May 2007. That was rather quick, wasn't it?

I'm a bit confused, as I've never heard of this strategy before, and I find it rather strange the parents were so quick to eagerly get themselves out of the spotlight of random media attention - 'in the best interest' of their disappeared daughter? Correct me if I'm completely wrong on this one, but I've just not encountered this before. It seems very, very backwards and counter-intuitive.

I also find it... strange that Kate McCann, the mother, reportedly did not return to her job as a GP - was it GP or anesthesiologist at the time of Maddies death? If Kate McCann considered it to be proper procedure to knock out her kids while she went to have splendid dinner, it would only make sense that she was prone to cock it up.

Having kids is a bit like HIV, you're stuck with it for life. Some people get through a bit of a crisis at one point in time, when they realize that they're stuck in a position they cannot relate to much. Having kids is one hell of a job, and if you don't find rewards in the progress and sheer act of being a good mom or good dad, you're bound to screw up bad sooner or later.

Studying medicine is also a rather work intensive task, as is actually practicing medicine, which she did prior to Maddie disappearing. Most people that went through with the whole shebang of cutting up bodyparts and investing a rather huge amount of time and money and succeeded are bound to stick with it to the very end.

Somehow, it looks as if Kate McCann has found that - premature - end with the disappearance of her daughter, which seems counter-intuitive and hard to relate to. If something this traumatic would happen to me, I would concentrate on both family and work to ground myself in what's left of my reality and not go completely bonkers. Different people, different reactions and strategies, sure. But the whole McCann thing is... pretty mysterious.

Also, the oft-reported suicidal tendencies of Kate McCann don't click with me. She had two other kids that needed her. Why opt for suicide and communicating it if there was absolutely no guilt involved? I know sadness and destructive feelings, but in the whole pile of odd poop that is the Madde McCann case, the selfishness involved in announcing suicide seems like one of the less thought through defense strategies. "Leave me alone or I'll kill myself! t'a!" No matter what proper explanations people can come up with for this one, that's just not a very responsible answer from an adult with a diploma and a fistful of responsibility. My prime suspect was and still is Kate McCann, and I suspect her loving husband to have helped her cover it up. Sad and shitty story, that.

If Kate McCann really was/is that impulsive, she's a danger to her children and herself, and she could just as well have killed Maddie in a fit of rage or despair, for whatever minute and insignificant reason.

 

[Treblaine]

"Fact: if parents were routinely imprisoned every time they brought their poisoned kid into hospital, then parents wouldn't ever take their poisoned kids in for treatment."
Poisoned as a result of parent negligence is different and is a criminal offence. GET IT!?

First: What part of "If a kid dies because of irresponsible behavior on the parents part, the parent is legally punishable" do you consistently fail to comprehend?

Second: They went to eat at a bar at 8:30 and the last time they checked on the kids was at 9:30 and the parents returned at 10. They left the apartment unlocked. An unlocked apartment with 3 infants in a foreign country and only check every 20 minutes while you eat at a bar. No sitter? No locking the apartment door? The parents are fucking idiots or they're hiding something.

Third: The fact that Madeline's "bodily fluids" were found in the boot of the car the parents rented warrants at the very least a small semblance of suspicion.

Fourth: I have no sympathy for parents who lose their children as a result of their incompetence and stupidity and I see no offense in saying that they deserve none.

My sympathy lies with the person who potentially lost her life and the 2 kids who have to grow up with the aforementioned parents.

Long story short, weather she was poisoned or kidnapped it's still the something the parents could have easily avoided, so no "Oh they lost their kid, isn't that awful" from me.

The thing about trace DNA is that it does everywhere. It gets on bags and it goes from bags to any surface that bag touches.

And it doesn't fit with the timeline of her disappearance and her disappearance was when the parents were with other people they had no opportunity to do anything.

Your lack of sympathy to bereaved parents proves nothing but your callousness.

I recall the door being left unlocked. And yes it is their fault because if it is true then it's something they easily could have avoided by hiring a sitter.

Wouldn't have made any difference considering entered and exited via the window, a sitter wouldn't have detected it. It's not confirmed the door was left unlocked. Does a sitter check on sleeping children every 20 minutes?

 

[The White Hunter]

I reckon the parents had something to do with it. I still don't get why there was such a massive deal over it. I mean, don't get me wrong, it's a bad thing, but she's not the first little girl to go missing and they went on about it forever...

Yeah I reckon something like that too, too little evidence of anything for them to have nothing to do with any of it.

Not implying infanticide, but more likely an accident and cover up.

 

[Treblaine]

Personally though I think its a fucking utter disgrace that her parents are able to walk free and play the victim card all this time, its their own fucking fault for going off and getting drunk while leaving their daughter alone. They should be chemically sterilized as its clear they are incapable of ever being responsible parents.

No.

It is NOT the parents "own fucking fault" it is the fault of whoever opened sneaked in through that window and stole the child from her bed.

This was literally a few minutes of not constantly watching over them that it happened. I can guarantee almost every parent in the world has done such a minor oversight at least once.

This is blatant scape-goating, attacking the parents because we don't have the perpetrator themselves, don't you think the parents are suffering enough without everyone heaping all the blame ("their fault") for what someone else did that night?!?!

There's a difference between leaving their kids for a few minutes while they chatted to a neighbor and leaving them alone in a ground floor hotel with unlocked patio doors while they dined in a restaurant with friends. Eating generally takes more than a few minutes unless you are the worlds fastest eater. That and there was no real excuse about leaving them alone with the availability of both a creche and babysitters available to them. Plus even if they couldn't use the creche or babysitters for whatever reason they should of stayed with their kids then they might not be missing a daughter. No responsible parent would do what they did.

I really do hope they feel guilty about it for the rest of their lives because they deserve no less because best case they fucked up the life of a child or ended one worst case.

They checked on their kids every 20 minutes. You telling me a parent can't ever not be watching over their kid for even 20 minutes? That the parents are entirely to blame? Your profile says you are from the UK, you know that children as young as 7 years old are expected to walk to and from school alone and without any escort, the government provides no buses and employment often means parents cannot escort their children to school.

This blame game is despicable.

HAVE YOU ANY IDEA HOW IT WOULD FEEL!?!? To have your child kidnapped... only then from ignorant anonymous person on the internet to BLAME THEM!

Get real, you wouldn't dare say such things to their face, you'd be UTTERLY ashamed if you did. And if you weren't, you should be ashamed.

Shame on you.

They couldn't know, who would expect such a thing. Who would consider that in just a 20 minute period their child would be snatched from their bed.

Again, kids, walking alone to school. EVERY PARENT IS TOLD THIS IS NORMAL!! And you say they deserve to suffer. I wouldn't wish that suffering on anyone, not for anything, what the fuck is it with sick buggers on the internet saying people deserve unbearable suffering??!? Sickos who have no concept of suffering, no concept of loss. No empathy. Full of hate.

 

[Treblaine]

I am past paying much attention to the case, as we're well beyond finding out the truth until someone steps forward and spills the beans.

Personally, I find a scenario involving her parents, most probably her mother, to be the most probable.

I would have liked to see more actual proper police work done on everything.

Most probably, the mother sedated her so 'nothing bad would happen' while the parents went out for dinner. If Maddie suffocated or otherwise died all by herself because of this, both parents had a vested interest in making her disappear, as they probably both would have run into far more severe issues beyond a dead or disappeared daughter. Sedating your kids so you can have a good time wasn't in any parenting 101 books I've ever seen, and I'm pretty certain there are laws against doing so, even if you don't end up killing your own children.

I remember Maddie was made a ward of court during 2007... hold on... yeah, it says 'summer of 2007', when she disappeared on 3 May 2007. That was rather quick, wasn't it?

I'm a bit confused, as I've never heard of this strategy before, and I find it rather strange the parents were so quick to eagerly get themselves out of the spotlight of random media attention - 'in the best interest' of their disappeared daughter? Correct me if I'm completely wrong on this one, but I've just not encountered this before. It seems very, very backwards and counter-intuitive.

I also find it... strange that Kate McCann, the mother, reportedly did not return to her job as a GP - was it GP or anesthesiologist at the time of Maddies death? If Kate McCann considered it to be proper procedure to knock out her kids while she went to have splendid dinner, it would only make sense that she was prone to cock it up.

Having kids is a bit like HIV, you're stuck with it for life. Some people get through a bit of a crisis at one point in time, when they realize that they're stuck in a position they cannot relate to much. Having kids is one hell of a job, and if you don't find rewards in the progress and sheer act of being a good mom or good dad, you're bound to screw up bad sooner or later.

Studying medicine is also a rather work intensive task, as is actually practicing medicine, which she did prior to Maddie disappearing. Most people that went through with the whole shebang of cutting up bodyparts and investing a rather huge amount of time and money and succeeded are bound to stick with it to the very end.

Somehow, it looks as if Kate McCann has found that - premature - end with the disappearance of her daughter, which seems counter-intuitive and hard to relate to. If something this traumatic would happen to me, I would concentrate on both family and work to ground myself in what's left of my reality and not go completely bonkers. Different people, different reactions and strategies, sure. But the whole McCann thing is... pretty mysterious.

Also, the oft-reported suicidal tendencies of Kate McCann don't click with me. She had two other kids that needed her. Why opt for suicide and communicating it if there was absolutely no guilt involved? I know sadness and destructive feelings, but in the whole pile of odd poop that is the Madde McCann case, the selfishness involved in announcing suicide seems like one of the less thought through defense strategies. "Leave me alone or I'll kill myself! t'a!" No matter what proper explanations people can come up with for this one, that's just not a very responsible answer from an adult with a diploma and a fistful of responsibility. My prime suspect was and still is Kate McCann, and I suspect her loving husband to have helped her cover it up. Sad and shitty story, that.

If Kate McCann really was/is that impulsive, she's a danger to her children and herself, and she could just as well have killed Maddie in a fit of rage or despair, for whatever minute and insignificant reason.

What doesn't make sense: killing your kid then going ALL over the media publicising her rather than just letting it blow over.

what does make sense: your daughter being kidnapped and going all over the media publicising her face so it's more likely she is spotted.

"Why opt for suicide and communicating it if there was absolutely no guilt involved"

wonderful, you've just insulted ALL people suffering with suicidal depression as "indicative of guilt in anything they are accused of".

That's despicable. That's inhumanely callous. That's fucking HORRIBLE! How can you say that a woman struggling with suicidal depression and resisting - probably because she still has two children still to care for - is somehow proof of her guilt. You clearly haven't done the base basic google search of clinical depression before making outrageous accusations.

"Having kids is a bit like HIV, you're stuck with it for life."

I don't think you have the right concept of parenthood. Do you think that is how your parents love for you is or was?

 

[Woodsey]

Probably dead, or worse, slipped into some sort of human trafficking.

Still, admittedly, it'd be wierd if she surfaced like 10 years later. God knows what she would have been through. What kind of person emerges from that?

I'm sure there was a girl recently who disappeared in the States and turned up like 18 years later. Think it was last year, but she disappeared before my time (entirely), so the name escapes.

OT: She'll have been sold on or she'll be dead, I'm not really sure what there is to speculate on. No clues either way.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

My sister reckons they gave the kid calpol so they could go out and have something to eat and she fell out of bed and banged her head and died.

Either way they shouldn't have left her alone in the hotel. I think she's probably dead by now if she was abducted unfortunately.

 

[Lieju]

I can understand why people would like to indulge in such a fantasy of "parents killed her" as it's better than considering the horrific alternative.

I think a lot of the scepticism has to do with trying to think of the simplest explanation, and 'killed by the parents either on purpose or on accident' sounds a bit less fantastical than 'kidnapped by an international pedophile-ring'.

I'm not exactly an expert on how plausible the latter actually is, but those aren't the only two possibilities. I don't really remember whether it could have been that the kid wandered off by herself or something(although unless someone took her she would have been found), but it could have been some lone crazy person who wanted a child or thought she was their child or was told by the voices in their head that the girl was the anti-Christ and must be killed.

In any case, she's probably dead.

Also, the oft-reported suicidal tendencies of Kate McCann don't click with me. She had two other kids that needed her. Why opt for suicide and communicating it if there was absolutely no guilt involved?

Probably she felt quilty.
Even if you weren't responsible, in a situation like that you're bound to blame yourself, or think that you could have done something differently.
People who haven't done anything criminal can feel quilt over things.

I'd think it would be weirder if she didn't feel quilt over it, and didn't get depressed.
Having your child die, or disappear (which is even worse in my opinion, since there's no closure) is something that can mess up a person that was completely sane and competent before.

 

[Headdrivehardscrew]

Dear Treblaine,

thank you for your attention and your verbose quote.

Now, let me respond thusly:

What doesn't make sense: killing your kid then going ALL over the media publicising her rather than just letting it blow over.

what does make sense: your daughter being kidnapped and going all over the media publicising her face so it's more likely she is spotted.

Actually, no. I suspect Kate McCann to be lazy, conflicted and possibly ill, not stupid. Not going to the media in a more or less first step would be even more suspicious than anything else they did after that rather brief 'normal' step in pretending to deal with the situation. I am looking at this from my viewpoint and strictly defending my theory, which is not yet proven in court, so it's currently still as good or as crap as any other theory out there, even yours. I don't blame them for seeking media attention, it's the only proper thing to do if you're genuinely in distress and missing your child; it's also pretty much the only thing you really, really have to do when you accidentally killed your own kid and find yourself unable to face the facts and deal with it properly - that's what I suspect Kate McCann to be capable of doing and willing to do. Not sure about Gerald. I figure he'd do anything for both his kids and his wife. God bless your heart for believing they are innocent. I find myself unable to bring up such faith.

"Why opt for suicide and communicating it if there was absolutely no guilt involved"

Because people do that. Day after day after day after day. Others drink alcohol or take up a serious drug habit. It's how an alarming lot of us roll.

wonderful, you've just insulted ALL people suffering with suicidal depression as "indicative of guilt in anything they are accused of".

I've gone through my heads-on bout with it in my time. Not being insulted did not improve my situation. Insulting anyone is not part of the plan here, though. Feel free to feel insulted, though. I find it rather inspirational and invigorating at times. If all else fails, it can get the juices flowing and the pulse way up, high above the standard slightly above not-yet-dead.


That's despicable. That's inhumanely callous. That's fucking HORRIBLE! How can you say that a woman struggling with suicidal depression and resisting - probably because she still has two children still to care for - is somehow proof of her guilt. You clearly haven't done the base basic google search of clinical depression before making outrageous accusations.

I don't think so. It's far less inconvenient a truth or a theory as Al Gore's propaganda flick. As for 'basic Google search' on mental illnesses and human peculiarities, I suggest you try out DSM-IV and the ICD-10. Beats Google any day, as it's the basis of the practicing shrink or the practicing odd one out. We are many.


"Having kids is a bit like HIV, you're stuck with it for life."

I don't think you have the right concept of parenthood. Do you think that is how your parents love for you is or was?

Oh, I certainly do. Please leave my parents out of this, I might take it personal and feel offended (Hah! See what I did there?)

I'm amazed you're not offended by the HIV joke I just recycled there. See, I think HIV sucks plenty more than making kids, but they both usually come to be by making love. Nasty, innit? Now that we get to know each other: Have you lost friends, family or loved ones to AIDS? I know I have, and it sucks monkey balls. It puts you in place, no matter how young or strong or immortal you feel.

How about this one: A fetus is, at first, not that much different than, say, a cancerous growth. Only its systematic, planned growth eventually helps tell it apart from the more random, chaotic and destructive growth of cancer tumours. Hence, abortion is not murder.

That's not my buddies I paraphrase there, it's your buddies. Do me favour, if you will, and think it over. I'm here lots. Thank you.

To give you that one thing you truly crave for right now: Yes, I know that my theory isn't bulletproof and can't easily be proven to be the truth. Whatever happened, it happened five years ago. The girl never resurfaced, even though her image was all over the media, all over the planet. I believe there's a chance this bit alone raises probabilities in favour of my inconvenient theory. I really don't mean to insult you or bust your brony bubble, but people can be rather mean, ill-willed and selfish at times.

 

[Treblaine]

Dear Internet.

I'm DONE with this witch hunt against the McCanns.

It's despicable and utterly disingenuous. I am out.