What do you think Heinz should do?

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Bobbity

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I... I would have done it, and damn the consequences. Stealing is wrong, and I wouldn't recommend to anyone else in that position that they should do it, I believe that personally, I would go to those lengths to save my wife/loved one.
 

RobCoxxy

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He could have started up a baked bean company, the most delicious in the land, and use thre profits to pay for her meds.


this way everybody wins.
 

Sun Flash

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Good to see I'm not the only one on the sauce/bean train of thought.

Eh, if I were Heinz, I'd break in and steal it and wouldnt feel a shred of guilt, seeing as Mr Pharmacist cares more about profit than the well being of another person, with no room for negotiating pay. Plus wouldn't Mr Pharmacist want to make sure the drug worked before he tried to make a profit?
 

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Like a lot of people, I was thinking - beans... ketchup... so, what has that company done, 'cos I haven't read any news about them.

TheCommie12 said:
This answer is based on everything in OP being public knowledge.

Morally - right
Ethically - wrong
Legally - wrong
Technically - wrong, with mitigating circumstances, probably light punishment and the druggist going out of business (given presence of other pharmacists/druggists)

I think everyone would agree that desperate times calls for desperate means, so he was well justified in stealing the drug since the druggist was an ass. However, as

Agayek said:
From an ethical standpoint, both Heinz and the pharmacist are wrong. Heinz is still wrong for having stolen the drug though.
cannot be added to. Legally, the druggist (for most jurisdictions), provided he holds patent on the drug, can do whatever the hell he likes, thus the only lawbreaker would be Heinz. Technically, though, there would be such a massive public outcry about the druggist's actions that no-one would buy off of him (for sundry items etc.) ever again, and most likely Heinz would just have to do something petty like community service since absolute value of the stolen goods was not that high.

Personally, I would've stolen it, left the money with an IOU (with witnesses to the IOU) and (should it ever go to court) gotten tetimonies from friends of how the druggist was a dickhead.
 

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Sun Flash said:
Plus wouldn't Mr Pharmacist want to make sure the drug worked before he tried to make a profit?
It's a psychological theory that holds that moral reasoning, the basis for ethical behavior, has six identifiable stages. It's more about the "Why do you believe that it is justifiable for Heinz to steal/not steal the medicine to save his dying wife." and the form of the response rather than the participants personal view of what Heinz should do.

It's meant for deeper understanding rather than making a believable story.
 

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awesomeClaw said:
Of course he was in the right. Hell, if it was up to me, the man refusing to sell him should be charged with involuntary manslaugther.
Luckily the law doesn't work that way.

OT: I wouldn't steal it. I'd rather them die than go to prison.
 

Daveman

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Obviously saving his wife is his first priority above all else and if he steals it the consequences for his actions are likely to still be better than the alternative, so he would definitely be better off stealing it. Therefore he would steal it. The druggist should be insured any way.

Also, I thought this would be bean related.
 

Bigsmith

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when I read title:

Bring back the Backed Bean Pizza!!!

When I read the OP:

I'd break in and steal it, leave the $1000 and a note saying that I'd pay back the rest.
 

Ninjat_126

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I'd lodge a complaint to the police that the manufacturer's actions are going to result in the death of my wife and either threaten a lawsuit or bring public attention to the issue.

If I don't get him to give in, I'll just break in and steal it.

Yes, I'd get caught. But personally, I'd be willing to do jail time to save someone's life, especially if they were my wife.

Shio said:
OT: I wouldn't steal it. I'd rather them die than go to prison.
Then why would you marry them?
 

LongAndShort

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Morally Heinz was in the right, I can't argue there, but what he did was still illegal and there'd be a bloody short suspect list. Still if the druggist pressed charges, I can't imagine the other townsfolk being to happy about it.
 

Vrach

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Of course he should've stole it. A human life is more valuable than someone's bottom line.
 

En Row

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Since my Speech and Barter skill are both at 100, I would select a special barter dialogue so I could get at least a 50% discount. And I also have 9 points in Strength so I would use a unique Strength dialogue. I would be able use my muscles to persuade him to include his lovely 19 year old daughter in the package if he doesn't want my fist inside his throat.
 

Enkidu88

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Why break in? I would bust up in there in broad day light, kill the pharmacist and eat his brain so that I could attain the knowledge of the drug. I'd also take his liver, you know, in case I Get peckish later. Then I would cure my wife, turn around and start selling the drug at twice the price the druggist was asking for it.


Am...Am I doing this right?
 

Ninjat_126

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Enkidu88 said:
Why break in? I would bust up in there in broad day light, kill the pharmacist and eat his brain so that I could attain the knowledge of the drug. I'd also take his liver, you know, in case I Get peckish later. Then I would cure my wife, turn around and start selling the drug at twice the price the druggist was asking for it.


Am...Am I doing this right?
That would be my third option.
 

dvd_72

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This druggist is nothing but a greedy monster. His complete disrespect for life in favor of money forefits his right to make profits on a lifesaving drug in my eyes. I would steal the drug in a heartbeat and feel good doing it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he's not allowd to make money from his discovery, just not to that extent. I mean, come on, 1000% profits? that's insane! Monsterous! It's just going way too far.
 

Gordon_4_v1legacy

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Well if it were me, I'd steal it, deliver it to the doctors, wait for it to be administered and then surrender myself to Police. I'd know I was in the wrong, legally, so there's no point in fighting the inevitable.
 

justcallmeslow

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It may only cost $200 to produce but you can bet the guy worked damn hard and spent a lot of money to develop that drug. He has every right to profit from it. It would be nice for him to give Heinz credit but it's not his responsibility. He's a druggist, not a lending agent.

If I was Heinz and couldn't find the credit from friends or lending companies/banks etc. then i'd sure as hell steal the drug, leave the $1,000 and an IOU then endeavour to earn the rest of the money. As has been said above, the prison sentence would probably be fairly light. And that's before mitigating circumstances are taken into account. I'm sure you could get duress of circumstance or something similar. Proving intent to compensate would likely help too. You may avoid prison altogether.
 

Eisenfaust

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despite it only costing $200 to buy/make the radium, presumably there was a rather strenuous R&D phase (otherwise everyone would be making it, & competition = lower prices) so the chemist charging 10x as much is presumably his way of getting compensation for the time and effort he put in to developing a product that will save thousands of lives...

i mean, in the scenario he's a bit of a ***** about how he says no, but if he starts handing out free samples then EVERYONE's going to want it for free (or will resort to equally extreme actions) and the chemist will be so broke (because he's not even gettin the 200 back) that he can't make any more of the drug, and thousands of people are deprived of a potential cure, and subsequently die horrible horrible deaths...

sure, he's saving this one woman, but dooming thousands... rather selfish

the guy also has a right to make money off an invention... if every drug company was required to be non-profit, there'd hardly be any drug companies... no money, no motivation, so no production, and no product, again dooming thousands of people...

good job, mate...