What do you think of a guy who says adult gamers are juvenile?

[CaptJohnSheridan]

He says that adult gamers who defend GTA are juvenile.

https://www.facebook.com/PhilChalmersTV/

How would you challenge his beliefs? Is he worth debating?

This guy was in High School in the 80s. Does he have an outdated view of "gamers"?

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Who is that and why would we care?

 

[totheendofsin]

Have you seen adult gamers? they are juvenile

seriously though why should we give a crap what some random person thinks? This is the "are games art?" "debate" all over again

 

[ObsidianJones_v1legacy]

Literally, the entire world's economy is bolstered... and sometimes running specifically on games. Whether it be gambling or Sports, the hidden truth that most people don't want to acknowledge is that Football, Basketball, Soccer... still kids games that we won't let go.

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

Literally and figuratively couldn't care less

 

[Yoshi178]

i would say he's correct. GTA is the most juvenile overrated game series there is.

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

Of course adult gamers are juvenile, video games in general are a pretty juvenile form of entertainment. That's not necessarily a bad thing though. Not everything in life has to be super serious.

Also, an obsession with professional sports is WAY more juvenile than video games.

 

[Eacaraxe_v1legacy]

Oh, that guy. Thought the name was familiar. He's one of those Jack Thompson types, except in this case he's one of those hangers-on of whatever moral panic associated with teenage behavior rules the day, proclaiming it to be the downfall of Western society or some shit. The "feathers" in his hat include being a consultant for murder porn series' and being on Fox News, that alone should tell you everything you need to know about this joker, including...

i would say he's correct. GTA is the most juvenile overrated game series there is.

...when you consider the game's content, and the social commentary common to them all, they're honestly pretty sophisticated and should be considered with respect. The lion's share being, how American society views criminality through the lens of race and socioeconomic class, and idealizes predatory behaviors so long as they're profitable in our commercialized and consumerist culture. GTAV basically beats players about the head with a clue bat simply by having three protagonists: a wealthy white guy, a poor white guy, and a black guy.

Can't imagine why a guy like Phil Chalmers would put it in his sights.

Now, if you're limiting your perspective solely to how people treat the game, and how people play it online, yeah it's Kentucky fried bullshit.

 

[Casual Shinji]

Yes, adult gamers are juvenile, and so is pretty much the rest of the human race. Now, are adult gamers generally more juvenile? Again, yes. Despite being one, geeks (this includes not just gaming) are just a bit pathetic. Also they haven't exactly made the best name for themselves in recent years.

 

[stroopwafel]

Juvenile? Coming from who? A person who looks like he never read a book in his life with that stupid face and cringey Failbook quotes he copied from someone else.

 

[Elijin]

I'd argue anyone who is concerned with what others do with their leisure time is juvenile. Also, anyone who is concerned about what others think of their use of leisure time is juvenile.

Also, stroopwafle. Cant tell if he leaned in for comedic effect, or is just living up to a negative stereotype.

 

[Palindromemordnilap_v1legacy]

I think I can't take anything a man with that photo for his facebook profile ever says seriously. I will continue to have the only Chalmers I listen to be the Superintendent

 

[aegix drakan_v1legacy]

Basically this:

Who is that and why would we care?

Now if you don't mind, I have warframes to build and Dead Cell runs to do, and a D&D session to prepare to run for a friend later, and if that makes me "juvenile", IDGAF, it's fun.

 

[Dalisclock]

On one hand, there are plenty of gamers who are junvenile. We've seen plenty of evidence of this over the years. Hell, we had people throwing hissy fits over a woman in the BFV trailer fairly recently and that's not touching some of the nastier problems gaming has had over the years. I don't even call myself a gamer because of people like that who have a tendency to make us all look like spoiled 5 year olds.

OTOH, I have no idea who that guy is and not sure why I should care.

 

[CaitSeith]

He says that adult gamers who defend GTA are juvenile.

How would you challenge his beliefs? Is he worth debating?

Certainly not by going out challenging and debating any random stranger who has a crappy opinion out there (that's just juvenile).

 

[DeliveryGodNoah_v1legacy]

Just about every person in their 50's that set foot to shop in a retail store would like a word with you. Specifically because their coupon that was outdated 3 months ago doesn't work and they want to speak to your manager because literally screaming at you isn't working.

Basically, sure. Adults who play video games can be juvenile. But only because literally everyone can be and likely is juvenile. All the adults I've encountered lack any manners, empathy, or common sense and take a childlike offense to just about anything that doesn't go their way. The world's fucked and everyone just goes on about their day.

So who cares what some prick thinks. You pay for those games with the money you made at your job most likely. That's all the excuse anyone will EVER need. It's the single most objective reasoning a person deserves. It's your money. You earned it. The end.

 

[Erttheking]

...when you consider the game's content, and the social commentary common to them all, they're honestly pretty sophisticated and should be considered with respect. The lion's share being, how American society views criminality through the lens of race and socioeconomic class, and idealizes predatory behaviors so long as they're profitable in our commercialized and consumerist culture. GTAV basically beats players about the head with a clue bat simply by having three protagonists: a wealthy white guy, a poor white guy, and a black guy.

Can't imagine why a guy like Phil Chalmers would put it in his sights.

Now, if you're limiting your perspective solely to how people treat the game, and how people play it online, yeah it's Kentucky fried bullshit.

Ok, GTA is a lot of things, but it is not in the same star system as sophisticated. It's pretty ham fisted and unsubtle, and the points it makes are nowhere near as well presented as it thinks they are. It has good ideas, but it comes down into what I've started to call Rick and Morty or South Park syndrome. Not unintelligent, but nowhere near as smart as it thinks it is. GTA in particular comes down with bad cases of ludonarrative dissonance whenever you're playing as a character that isn't named Trevor, which badly undermines whatever point it's trying to make at the moment. Kind of like when Trevor and Micheal were chasing a guy down and didn't want to kill him, but the chase takes place in a big truck and you smashing into pedestrians on the was is more or less an inevitability.

...when you consider the game's content, and the social commentary common to them all, they're honestly pretty sophisticated and should be considered with respect. The lion's share being, how American society views criminality through the lens of race and socioeconomic class, and idealizes predatory behaviors so long as they're profitable in our commercialized and consumerist culture. GTAV basically beats players about the head with a clue bat simply by having three protagonists: a wealthy white guy, a poor white guy, and a black guy.

You forgot the part where it shows that overt masculinity is toxic and self defeating

I get the feeling everyone forgot that part. Possibly because the game had a bad case of trying to have its cake and eat it too.

 

[CaptJohnSheridan]

God of War director Cory Barlog had a good retort to someone who made a snide comment about adult male gamers.

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