What do you think of a guy who says adult gamers are juvenile?

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

Yeah, but you know .... 7-8% of all humans that have ever existed are alive right now. Assuming the first of the modern homo sapiens as some 75,000BC.

We're all juveniles.

We still kicked arse, however. So rest of the galaxy, you're next.

 

[CaitSeith]

God of War director Cory Barlog had a good retort to someone who made a snide comment about adult male gamers.

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"We should all celebrate the things we love and embrace the fact that we are all free to enjoy things that make us happy instead of attempting to spread shame and judgement, my friend. I am certain you are better than that. ♥"

Just in an ideal world, my friend. Just in an ideal world...

 

[Chewster]

Given how shitty nerds act when anything "threatens" whatever shit they're into, I'd say "juvenile" isn't that innacurate. I mean, weren't bricks shat because that one woman gave Grand Theft Auto V a 9.5 and maybe casually mentioned how it was a bit sexist? Or am I thinking of some other nontroversy? Either way.

Regardless, GTA, much as I have played all of them, is really piss poor satire. It's obvious and clumsy. This is why Saints Row (at least 2/3) is better. At least it was aware enough to not be a sneering, haughty mess and just rolled with how idiotic and over the top it all was.

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

Just about every person in their 50's that set foot to shop in a retail store would like a word with you. Specifically because their coupon that was outdated 3 months ago doesn't work and they want to speak to your manager because literally screaming at you isn't working.

I thought that was an urban myth. Is the old person with dated coupon thing actually real? As in ... more than usual person with dated coupon...?

 

[DeliveryGodNoah_v1legacy]

Just about every person in their 50's that set foot to shop in a retail store would like a word with you. Specifically because their coupon that was outdated 3 months ago doesn't work and they want to speak to your manager because literally screaming at you isn't working.

I thought that was an urban myth. Is the old person with dated coupon thing actually real? As in ... more than usual person with dated coupon...?

It's my life. Every. Day.

I've explained to the same elderly person multiple times a week why their coupons don't work, and they still come in their next day tossing me a coupon they forgot in their purse weeks ago, crumpled, covered in makeup or dirt, torn, or one they got in the mail with big bold red letters stating the exclusions asking the same thing "Can I use this?", and the answer is always the same. It's like fucking Groundhog Day.

 

[Eacaraxe_v1legacy]

Kind of like when Trevor and Micheal were chasing a guy down and didn't want to kill him, but the chase takes place in a big truck and you smashing into pedestrians on the was is more or less an inevitability.

That...wasn't ludonarrative dissonance. The whole point was that Trevor and Michael have a toxic, codependent friendship and when the two are together, they can rationalize their own violent, lunatic tendencies. Trevor gets to delude himself into believing his own behavior is normal if someone like Michael does it, and therefore constantly eggs Michael on; Michael gets to delude himself into believing his rage issues are normal by comparison to Trevor's flat-out drug-fueled lunacy, Trevor just gives him an excuse to indulge himself. So, the moment Trevor and Michael are reunited, Trevor eggs Michael into a murderous rampage and Michael gleefully complies.

That's really the entire point of "Fame or Shame" coming after "Father/Son", "Marriage Counseling", and "Daddy's Little Girl". Right down to ludonarrative, in fact. The first mission sees Jimmy in imminent physical danger, but Michael keeps his cool, and the player has to do some pretty precise driving and avoid car damage to complete the mission. The second showcases Michael's rage issues, but he restrains himself to an act of vandalism, and the player has to follow but not kill Kyle. In the third mission, Jimmy pushes Michael into a bout of rage over Tracey being at the producer boat party, but Tracey's not in physical danger until Michael shows up, and the player has to evade the pursuers on the jetski lest Tracey get killed causing a fail-state.

Then Trevor shows up, you get a semi, and all bets are off except for killing Lazlow who Michael and Trevor want publicly humiliated, not dead.

 

[Xprimentyl]

Kind of like when Trevor and Micheal were chasing a guy down and didn't want to kill him, but the chase takes place in a big truck and you smashing into pedestrians on the was is more or less an inevitability.

That...wasn't ludonarrative dissonance. The whole point was that Trevor and Michael have a toxic, codependent friendship and when the two are together, they can rationalize their own violent, lunatic tendencies. Trevor gets to delude himself into believing his own behavior is normal if someone like Michael does it, and therefore constantly eggs Michael on; Michael gets to delude himself into believing his rage issues are normal by comparison to Trevor's flat-out drug-fueled lunacy, Trevor just gives him an excuse to indulge himself. So, the moment Trevor and Michael are reunited, Trevor eggs Michael into a murderous rampage and Michael gleefully complies.

That's really the entire point of "Fame or Shame" coming after "Father/Son", "Marriage Counseling", and "Daddy's Little Girl". Right down to ludonarrative, in fact. The first mission sees Jimmy in imminent physical danger, but Michael keeps his cool, and the player has to do some pretty precise driving and avoid car damage to complete the mission. The second showcases Michael's rage issues, but he restrains himself to an act of vandalism, and the player has to follow but not kill Kyle. In the third mission, Jimmy pushes Michael into a bout of rage over Tracey being at the producer boat party, but Tracey's not in physical danger until Michael shows up, and the player has to evade the pursuers on the jetski lest Tracey get killed causing a fail-state.

Then Trevor shows up, you get a semi, and all bets are off except for killing Lazlow who Michael and Trevor want publicly humiliated, not dead.

I think you may be beautifully overanalyzing GTA, but I generally agree with the direction you?ve headed; I?m just several steps behind.

GTA (Rockstar) does well at being self-aware and not taking itself too seriously in the script department, and with that clear goal in mind of simply being cleverly over-the-top, escapist entertainment, they?re able to set out crafting absurdity of characters and situations befitting that goal. Versus, say, the first GTA clone Saint?s Row 1 where it?s satire was so ham-fisted as to fall flat: ??Freckle *****?s?, get it?? *aggressively elbows your ribs whilst winking* Like ?Wendy?s?? GET IT?!?? (Fortunately, Saint?s Row went on to own that identity and became a satire of itself that was entertaining enough.) GTA is sophisticated in that it does well at not apologizing for what it is and being a highly refined and quality version of that thing, and as entertainment (if you?ll forgive the crude comparison) is akin to a drug lord sitting on a pile of money in a beachfront mansion versus the drug dealer slinging dime bags in front of a local 7/11; content of character aside, one has to admit the differences between the many ways of doing bad well is appreciable.

 

[jademunky]

He says that adult gamers who defend GTA are juvenile.

https://www.facebook.com/PhilChalmersTV/

How would you challenge his beliefs?

I'd ask him how he feels about adults who are fans of professional sports.

How about movie buffs?

Then I would probably request he present me some kind of spreadsheet of adult hobbies he personally approves of so I don't accidentally commit some totally objective and not-at-all-bullshit social faux-pas.

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

Just about every person in their 50's that set foot to shop in a retail store would like a word with you. Specifically because their coupon that was outdated 3 months ago doesn't work and they want to speak to your manager because literally screaming at you isn't working.

I thought that was an urban myth. Is the old person with dated coupon thing actually real? As in ... more than usual person with dated coupon...?

It's my life. Every. Day.

I've explained to the same elderly person multiple times a week why their coupons don't work, and they still come in their next day tossing me a coupon they forgot in their purse weeks ago, crumpled, covered in makeup or dirt, torn, or one they got in the mail with big bold red letters stating the exclusions asking the same thing "Can I use this?", and the answer is always the same. It's like fucking Groundhog Day.

Oh ... you have my sympathies. Does he have all his marbles, or is he just being indignant?

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Given how shitty nerds act when anything "threatens" whatever shit they're into, I'd say "juvenile" isn't that innacurate. I mean, weren't bricks shat because that one woman gave Grand Theft Auto V a 9.5 and maybe casually mentioned how it was a bit sexist? Or am I thinking of some other nontroversy? Either way.

Regardless, GTA, much as I have played all of them, is really piss poor satire. It's obvious and clumsy. This is why Saints Row (at least 2/3) is better. At least it was aware enough to not be a sneering, haughty mess and just rolled with how idiotic and over the top it all was.

Yeah, it's kind of hard to make the argument that fans of a game aren't juvenile when they run a reviewer off the internet for the audacity of giving the game a 9.5.

 

[DeliveryGodNoah_v1legacy]

Just about every person in their 50's that set foot to shop in a retail store would like a word with you. Specifically because their coupon that was outdated 3 months ago doesn't work and they want to speak to your manager because literally screaming at you isn't working.

I thought that was an urban myth. Is the old person with dated coupon thing actually real? As in ... more than usual person with dated coupon...?

It's my life. Every. Day.

I've explained to the same elderly person multiple times a week why their coupons don't work, and they still come in their next day tossing me a coupon they forgot in their purse weeks ago, crumpled, covered in makeup or dirt, torn, or one they got in the mail with big bold red letters stating the exclusions asking the same thing "Can I use this?", and the answer is always the same. It's like fucking Groundhog Day.

Oh ... you have my sympathies. Does he have all his marbles, or is he just being indignant?

I should have said "people", but at the time I was actually off from work not too long before I posted and had someone in particular in mind.

But there are a few that are simply incapable of understanding or remembering, and not necessarily because they don't try, and we try very hard to make the process simple for them so they understand. We can tell a difference between someone who simply doesn't understand and just needs help, and someone who just wants to take advantage of us.

The rest though? They just want cheap stuff.

We had this whole "mom" racket not too long ago where a group of 40 year old mothers were going around to every local store in our chain purchasing items that result in high coupon rewards, tearing off the coupons, and then going to another store to return the items.

Basically, they'd accumulate hundreds of dollars worth of coupons (that can be used on pretty much everything in the store except gift cards and lottery tickets) without actually spending the money that would result in those rewards. And then they'd get royally upset if you called them out on it. At which point we would get reprimanded by higher ups in corporate.

I just want to do a good job at my job, but instead, I'm stuck dealing with entitlement levels that are off the charts, primarily in the age ranges of 38-80 years.

And it's not simply the customers' fault either. My place of employment basically facilitates this behavior by handing out "reward coupons" through weekly deals. And you get either moms that try their damnedest to take advantage of deals in ways they weren't meant to or people that had no idea about the coupons at all and will likely never use them after receiving them, with no in between.

Oof, I went on a whole tangent there for a bit, and you certainly didn't ask for it. I apologize.

My ultimate point though, as stated before, is that just about everyone is immature and juvenile. We get upset when things don't go our way, and unfortunately, some of us revert to childlike tantrums because...well, who's going to stop you now?

 

[DarthCoercis]

I've seen a number of "adult" gamers (even on these forums) use "autism" to describe things/people they don't like or don't agree with, so yeah, he has a point. Some "adult" gamers are incredibly juvenile.

 

[Worgen]

I remember when I used to play TF2, there was a party server that I tended to play on and one day like a 16 or something year old was on and it blew his mind that most of the player base was adults. He thought as soon as you turned 21 you stopped playing games.

I think its a profoundly stupid idea, its like saying adults can't watch tv or have hobbies, its the idea that you HAVE to be something to be an adult.