Credossuck said:
Why am i better than an animal? Different?
Me specifically? Because i have planted, roughly 20 years ago, 15 Apple trees together with my brother and my dad in my grandfather size able garden. There are still 13 of em around today (2 had to b removed) and they have grown quite a lot. Enough actually to supply my gramps and the local long finger children with free apples. And the apples that aren't used are helping re-fertilize the ground.
My trees work for the good of the planet. What does that fucktard gorilla up in the mountains ever do to save the planet? jack shit, that is.
When i get my hands on my own piece of land i'll plant more apple trees.
Heck, perhaps one of those apples has helped create (helped by being delicious, healthy apples) another human being, someone who has or will at some point do something great.
Like cure alzheimers. Or cancer. Ore develop a surefire way to murder doom rocks incoming from the sky.
Perhaps the appletrees i plant later will save some child from getting sick (by being delicious, healthy apples) and said child will grow to be a amazing person that helps enlighten our species as whole. who knows.
I helped prepared the ground for those trees. I watered them (at least those years i was still living in the old big family home). Helped pruning whenever i could and harvest fruit (and as had to learn: thats a freaking important thing to do until the branches have grown strong enough to carry more weight.).
These trees will remains there until the ground under them withers, people take them out or naturals causes do them in. And thats probably a good 20 years or more away. (and then we will planet new ones, if we still can)
Many animals have pretty darn useful roles. Just think insects. Others only seem to exist to allow others to do their job and then there are those who generally do the cleanup.
But while all that i well and good, none of these species chose to do what they did. they developed into doing it.
A simple earthworm is amazing when it comes to keep ground good but it wont decide to one day build a asteroid smashing device.
Humans will. Perhaps a human who ate apples from my tree.
Or from the trees of others.
Again, never seen one of them coveted endangered species do anything useful but, you know DIE and be food for more useful people/animals.
Yes humankind makes mistakes, but face it, we are the one with the best chances to keep this planet non-nuked-from-space. And its up to us to fix our mistakes, and as such it would be pretty useful if we would not be interrupted by people telling us that animals are equals. they are not. if our getting ahead means they must go, then so be it.
Most vital eco system related things are run by insects and the microcosm anyway.
Tell me, did you invent the apple tree? Were there in fact no apple trees in existence before you decided to plant some? Did you go tree to tree pollinating as to make sure apples did in fact grow?
Answer Key- No you didn't. Plenty existed. You don't even know how to pollinate, do you?
You and countless other animals before you dropped seeds somewhere and a tree popped up. You didn't do anything special or particularly unique. Besides, I'm sure, the Human obsessive disorder of planting them in a row.
This wasn't human ingenuity. It was Nature and humans, in their own way, acting just like any other animal. For millions of years apple trees sprouted, grew. Animals carried seeds around the earth spreading apple tree growth.
I like apples, and I like that you did this with your family. I only wish to point out how this is no different behavior from any other animal before you. Minus the obsessive compulsive disorder.
But while all that i well and good, none of these species chose to do what they did. they developed into doing it.
That's what Nature is, developing into it. You said only 13 out of 15 trees remain. For whatever reason they "had to b removed". Did you personally choose for those trees to be removed? Did you
choose to randomly discard them? Or did they
develop poorly and removed due to sickness? You can decide where to plant trees, but that's as far as human intervention goes. Even with your planning and preparation, you still lost trees. Your control over the matter isn't real. In the end, you're just another animal in the grand scheme.
As for those animals that you know, DIE. Without them to die, you wouldn't be around. It might be a terrible job, but without them you wouldn't have a garden. If it weren't for the non-human animals before you that spread apples across the Earth for millions of years, you wouldn't even have the seeds to plant within your garden, would you?
How would you define useful? According to what you've said. Being useful is performing a task 20 years ago once. That was performed COUNTLESS times for HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF YEARS before your grandparents had even been conceived.
we are the one with the best chances to keep this planet non-nuked-from-space
Exactly why are we the best chance? What do you think would have been the odds of the Earth being at risk of getting nuked from space if humans had not placed the nukes there in the first place? Since you don't think animals could ever do this, I assume the odds would be zero. Because no other animal on earth is stupid enough to destroy their own species and habitat for the next several million plus years.
Let me tell you of another apple orchard someone planted roughly 50 years ago. Near my college campus there exists a large chunk of land designated as "Nature area". This is so because when that orchard operated they decided to use arsenic-based pesticides. Now, what does that tell you about Humans and how great they are? My class took samples of soil from all over the land, both in and outside the bounds of the orchard from our maps. We analyzed those samples in the lab to figure out the composition of elements. Arsenic being an element, would show up. 50 Years later we found somewhat dangerous levels of poisoning still within the soil. Not even to affect someone if they simply walked over the area. But dangerous enough they should wash their hands should they for some reason scoop up dirt.
What separates us from other animals? We poison our environment, so even other humans cannot inhabit the area. What happens when we run out of fresh land? Human extinction. Just over 200 years humans have been accelerating their growth, and in just over 200 years we have been able to damage the Earth in more harmful and long lasting ways than ANY OTHER animal before us in the billions of years the Earth has been around.
