What does fallout 3 do better then fallout new vegas

[Isshiresshi]

Fallout 3 is a lot more "humanity is suffering from nuclear war and everything has gone to hell"-atmosphere and the story too is more focused on it as well, where New Vegas has a "did not get hit near as hard with nukes like everywhere else"-background. The story makes a lot more sense from the start to finish then New Vegas does.

They both play like each other. No different in the graphic or mechanics from the two games.

Fallout 3 has some interesting things as well as New Vegas so I think you should try and make it work so you can try it out!

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
Wait.
How does Fallout 3 make more sense than New Vegas? The bombs were dropped over 200 years ago, shit would have been rebuilt way fucking past a sheet metal shanty town. Speaking of Megaton, in Fallout 3 people built a town around A FUCKING NUCLEAR BOMB. Not only does that not make sense, but the inhabitants in Fallout 1 and 2 were characterized of all being REALLY FUFKING AFRAID OF NUCLEAR BOMBS, and therefor breaks the lore.
Honeslty, man. You can't say Fallout 3 makes more sens than New Vegas, you just can't.

Well... rebuild with what? Everything has been pretty much destroyed... salvaging what metal plates one can find find to build a shelter / wall would be quite an obvious choice. Instead of being concerned with re-building civilized houses with windows, bricks, concrete etc. which they would have to re-invent from nothing to very little materials at all. I bet people would have been more concerned about their survival; finding food and water and getting through the average day.

And the whole settling near an unexploded nuclear bomb doesn't make much sense in the first place, but the cult "Children of Atom" makes up a pretty good explanation for why someone would start building a "home" around an unexploded atomic bomb.

But they had TWO HUNDRED FUCKING YEARS. Not everything was destroyed, you know. There are hundreds of archives and years of knowledge to help with rebuilding. Sure, 20 years after shit drops you're concerned about survival, but after two hundred years shit has been rebuilt.
Children of Atom still make no sense. There are tons of shanty town scattered around the wasteland, I hardly see why they would need the "expertise" of those nut jobs.
But those aren't the only plot holes.
There are more raiders than normal people. Who do they raid?
The rivers are still irradiated, after two hundred years of filtration.
The AWOL military robots wandering around are still functioning after two hundred years.
People still haven't figured out you can filter water using fucking dirt.
Your goddamn robot butler can pull fresh water out of the air- why do they need Project Purity? Why not just make more robots?
Why the fuck would they waste the GECK on Project Purity? That thing can make a paradise out of anything- it could terraform the DC wasteland into a lush forest. Why use it for a big water purifier?
A realistic, believable wasteland would be covered in flora. The people would have rebuilt that shit. They would have a large functioning society.
You know, what New Vegas is like.

Children of Atom makes sense, that such a cult popped out. After something as terrible as atomic bombs falling all over the place and destroying pretty much anything it is likely that the human psyche tries to find salvation in the unbeliveable chaos around them.

Whom raiders raid? Hmm... other people. Normal people as you call them. Other groups of raiders. The Steel of Brotherhood. Mutants. Salvaging from pre-war buildings. Ghouls, but that would be more killing them to rid of them to loot whatever they can find.

"A realistic, believable wasteland would be covered in flora." No... that's called a jungle, forest, field or plains. A wasteland has nothing, that's why it's called a wasteland. If you want to speak about a realistic wasteland then take a look at Hiroshima and Nagasaki after getting hit... now that's a wasteland.

And New Vegas has towns and building and lots of things that -did not- get hit by an atomic bombs and therefore is still standing... they have not rebuild anything but merely using what's left...

And I'm guessing you've already made your mind up from the start whether or not you want to listen to any arguements or explanations from the start... So let's just stay at it and say, that you think Fallout 3 doesn't make any more sense then New Vegas, but I do. Beside it's a game...

 

[Smeatza]

What does Fallout 3 do better than Fallout: New Vegas? In my opinion?

Not a damn thing.

New Vegas is completely superior and the only reason I would ever play Fallout 3 again is to pay a quick 5 minute visit to the Republic of Dave.

Fallout 3 is simply an adventure game, New Vegas is an actual RPG.

 

[The Harkinator]

Actually if you look deeper.... He is a bloody hypocrite.

Everything he preaches, he does the opposite of.

Not knowing one's own history? Worshiping symbols instead of the message?

All of it, he has done and continues to do.

America wasn't some utopia lost. America was a fucking starving ghetto in 2077. It was starving, it was hopeless, it was full of unrest and riots. Gas was over thousands of dollars to a single gallon. They NEVER explained if it was inflation from debt or actual scarcity. Police officers required actual power armor from federal armories because the riots got so violent regular riot gear didn't do the job.

Either way the economy crumbled, America was fucked. And this is the nation that had the MOST money in the world. It was a failed nation from a failed world.

Yet he still thinks America is something worth rebuilding. To step back into the same old mistakes. A man who doesn't know his own history.

And the kicker... the DLC passes him off as a the poster boy of humanity. A race that does stupid things and should have known better.

Ulysses doesn't seem to realise that the major factions vying for New Vegas all carry elements of old America, which he despises them for.

Ulysses thinks NCR is not suitable for power, yet he fails to understand it has morphed into old America, bureaucratic, imperialistic and deeply flawed. He thinks Mr House is not the right man for Vegas yet their ideologies are so similar. Full steam ahead with eyes fixed on the past. Find a place of the old world and make it into its former glory.

Ulysses' hypocrisy doesn't end there. He was a scout for the Legion, the one culture that is so alien in America. Yet created to be intentionally different. True, he looks for something other than the Legion but fails.

 

[SajuukKhar]

see I don't understand why people think Fallout 3 ruined the original Fallout lore. Yes I was a gamer who started off with Fallout 3 and then played the older RPGs, but nothing I read was incompatible. Anything that was strongly different (the Brotherhood of Steel, for example) was very neatly explained WHY it was different. Other than that, and perhaps this is the sub-concious reason why people think it's so different, it's pretty obvious Fallout 3 has a different tone from the original Fallouts, but I don't consider this a fault.

1. There is literally ZERO reason for Vault-tek to have the FEV virus, the entity of FEV research was done at West-Tek, the ENTIRETY of Vault 87 and its super mutants was idiotic because there is no explanation as to why Vault-Tek would have it.

2. The Capital wasteland is still highly irradiated despite the fact it had been 200 years since the great war. By 200 years time the river should have already cleaned itself, and plant life should have grown back. even if it had gotten nuked more then on ther places, it makes little sense for it to be in as bad of a shape as it is.

3. The enclave was a small highly armored faction that got mostly destroyed in fallout 2. Yet in Fallout 3 they somehow manage to regrow their numbers into the thousands and deploy vast armies worth of veritbirds and other shit that they logically shouldn't.

-The enclave
-The super mutants and Vault 87
-The entire state of the capital wasteland

go against lore.

I mean, I still love Fallout 3 and everything, but it really does break lore, a lot.

 

[SajuukKhar]

I suggest you play Fallout 3 again, they specifically say the Enclave went to the east coast after they got destroyed in the west coast because Eden contacted them. There is only one Enclave, and there is no explanation as to how they rebuilt their numbers into the thousands considering they were a very small, xenophobic faction that hated everyone that wasn't them.

Also if you played Fallout 2, you would know the president gets killed at the end, so OFC they have a different president in Fallout 3.

Umm no, it isn't reasonable at all, there is literally no reason, or explanation, for them to move the virus, let alone give it to Vault-tek of all people, because West-Tek already had their own giant research facility dedicated to its study.

 

[Westaway]

I actually think Ulysses was a terrible character.

they built him up to some some uber badass with a deep past, and then in Lonesome Road they turn him into yet another "WAA YOU BROKE MY HOME I HATE YOU" crybabby.

Ulysses is badass, until you find out his motivation.

Actually if you look deeper.... He is a bloody hypocrite.

Everything he preaches, he does the opposite of.

Not knowing one's own history? Worshiping symbols instead of the message?

All of it, he has done and continues to do.

America wasn't some utopia lost. America was a fucking starving ghetto in 2077. It was starving, it was hopeless, it was full of unrest and riots. Gas was over thousands of dollars to a single gallon. They NEVER explained if it was inflation from debt or actual scarcity. Police officers required actual power armor from federal armories because the riots got so violent regular riot gear didn't do the job.

Either way the economy crumbled, America was fucked. And this is the nation that had the MOST money in the world. It was a failed nation from a failed world.

Yet he still thinks America is something worth rebuilding. To step back into the same old mistakes. A man who doesn't know his own history.

And the kicker... the DLC passes him off as a the poster boy of humanity. A race that does stupid things and should have known better.

My bad, ignore this

 

[Westaway]

Fallout 3 is a lot more "humanity is suffering from nuclear war and everything has gone to hell"-atmosphere and the story too is more focused on it as well, where New Vegas has a "did not get hit near as hard with nukes like everywhere else"-background. The story makes a lot more sense from the start to finish then New Vegas does.

They both play like each other. No different in the graphic or mechanics from the two games.

Fallout 3 has some interesting things as well as New Vegas so I think you should try and make it work so you can try it out!

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
Wait.
How does Fallout 3 make more sense than New Vegas? The bombs were dropped over 200 years ago, shit would have been rebuilt way fucking past a sheet metal shanty town. Speaking of Megaton, in Fallout 3 people built a town around A FUCKING NUCLEAR BOMB. Not only does that not make sense, but the inhabitants in Fallout 1 and 2 were characterized of all being REALLY FUFKING AFRAID OF NUCLEAR BOMBS, and therefor breaks the lore.
Honeslty, man. You can't say Fallout 3 makes more sens than New Vegas, you just can't.

Well... rebuild with what? Everything has been pretty much destroyed... salvaging what metal plates one can find find to build a shelter / wall would be quite an obvious choice. Instead of being concerned with re-building civilized houses with windows, bricks, concrete etc. which they would have to re-invent from nothing to very little materials at all. I bet people would have been more concerned about their survival; finding food and water and getting through the average day.

And the whole settling near an unexploded nuclear bomb doesn't make much sense in the first place, but the cult "Children of Atom" makes up a pretty good explanation for why someone would start building a "home" around an unexploded atomic bomb.

But they had TWO HUNDRED FUCKING YEARS. Not everything was destroyed, you know. There are hundreds of archives and years of knowledge to help with rebuilding. Sure, 20 years after shit drops you're concerned about survival, but after two hundred years shit has been rebuilt.
Children of Atom still make no sense. There are tons of shanty town scattered around the wasteland, I hardly see why they would need the "expertise" of those nut jobs.
But those aren't the only plot holes.
There are more raiders than normal people. Who do they raid?
The rivers are still irradiated, after two hundred years of filtration.
The AWOL military robots wandering around are still functioning after two hundred years.
People still haven't figured out you can filter water using fucking dirt.
Your goddamn robot butler can pull fresh water out of the air- why do they need Project Purity? Why not just make more robots?
Why the fuck would they waste the GECK on Project Purity? That thing can make a paradise out of anything- it could terraform the DC wasteland into a lush forest. Why use it for a big water purifier?
A realistic, believable wasteland would be covered in flora. The people would have rebuilt that shit. They would have a large functioning society.
You know, what New Vegas is like.

Children of Atom makes sense, that such a cult popped out. After something as terrible as atomic bombs falling all over the place and destroying pretty much anything it is likely that the human psyche tries to find salvation in the unbeliveable chaos around them.

Whom raiders raid? Hmm... other people. Normal people as you call them. Other groups of raiders. The Steel of Brotherhood. Mutants. Salvaging from pre-war buildings. Ghouls, but that would be more killing them to rid of them to loot whatever they can find.

"A realistic, believable wasteland would be covered in flora." No... that's called a jungle, forest, field or plains. A wasteland has nothing, that's why it's called a wasteland. If you want to speak about a realistic wasteland then take a look at Hiroshima and Nagasaki after getting hit... now that's a wasteland.

And New Vegas has towns and building and lots of things that -did not- get hit by an atomic bombs and therefore is still standing... they have not rebuild anything but merely using what's left...

And I'm guessing you've already made your mind up from the start whether or not you want to listen to any arguements or explanations from the start... So let's just stay at it and say, that you think Fallout 3 doesn't make any more sense then New Vegas, but I do. Beside it's a game...

Here is a picture of Hiroshima today:
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5454/7221678692_945597524b_z.jpg

Here is a picture of Nagasaki today:
http://www.travel-pictures-gallery.com/images/japan/nagasaki/nagasaki-0001.jpg

And here is Chernobyl:
http://finchin.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/chernobyl-2012-1200.png

...What were you saying?
Right, that people would still be living in their own shit after a nuclear disaster that happened 200 years ago.

 

[Isshiresshi]

Here is a picture of Hiroshima today:
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5454/7221678692_945597524b_z.jpg

Here is a picture of Nagasaki today:
http://www.travel-pictures-gallery.com/images/japan/nagasaki/nagasaki-0001.jpg

And here is Chernobyl:
http://finchin.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/chernobyl-2012-1200.png

...What were you saying?
Right, that people would still be living in their own shit after a nuclear disaster that happened 200 years ago.

So you've chosen to compare 2 cities that were hit by one atomic bomb each, that could get help from the rest of the country / government and outside world as well, to a story that says nuclear holocaust on global scale... about being rebuild? And Chernobly was not on an atomic bomb scale of a disaster.

 

[BernardoOne]

The only thing Fallout 3 has better its atmosphere. Loved all the vaults, exploring them and discovering what happened in each one
Also the Radio. New Vegas has very few songs. But that is easily fixed with mods.

But New Vegas its better in everything else.

 

[Westaway]

Here is a picture of Hiroshima today:
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5454/7221678692_945597524b_z.jpg

Here is a picture of Nagasaki today:
http://www.travel-pictures-gallery.com/images/japan/nagasaki/nagasaki-0001.jpg

And here is Chernobyl:
http://finchin.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/chernobyl-2012-1200.png

...What were you saying?
Right, that people would still be living in their own shit after a nuclear disaster that happened 200 years ago.

So you've chosen to compare 2 cities that were hit by one atomic bomb each, that could get help from the rest of the country / government and outside world as well, to a story that says nuclear holocaust on global scale... about being rebuild? And Chernobly was not on an atomic bomb scale of a disaster.

That's true, but you were the one who brought them up first. I wasn't going to mention them until you said "That's what a REAL wasteland looks like!"
Look at that shit.
IT'S GREEN.
After like 50 years, THERE ARE TRESS.
Where are the trees in Fallout 3?
Look, your position is simply not defensible. Fallout 3's setting is hundreds of times more unrealistic than the New Vegas'.
Robot won't keep working for 200 years.
Food won't be edible after 200 years.
Rivers will not be irradiated after 200 years.
And people will have fixed up their home past sheet metal and a mattress after 200 years.

Also, for the record, I'm pretty sure the radiation released in Chernobyl was the equivalent of 12 some nuclear bombs.

 

[The Artificially Prolonged]

snip

I see your Liberty Prime and raise you a toaster.

Spoiler

 

[Syzygy23]

Fallout 3 does "feeling like a game instead of an expansion packs" better.

But it pretty much rapes Fallout lore, world, factions, etc., in so many ways it isn't funny.

If you want a plot that actually has anything to do with Fallout, go play New Vegas.

If you just want to run around shooting shit in a game that is actually playable, play Fallout 3.

Nobody cares about Fallout pre-Bethesdafication, so raping the lore doesn't matter.

 

[Aprilgold]

The love for Fallout 3 are from people who didn't enjoy the original series. Fallout 3, if anything, was a cash-grab more then a actual attempt to jump-start the series.

I loved both. Fallout 3 was a good game, even if it didn't have as much to offer as the original games.

I think my issue is that it isn't a Fallout game, it was a oblivion-with-guns-in-a-destroyed-50th-century-Washington-state game. Everyone can argue, night and day the differences between the two, but at the end of it the main difference is that New Vegas is a Fallout game and that Fallout 3 is a post-apocalyptic game.

Also, people are saying Fallout 3 had a better story? Both were shit and at least Fallout New Vegas gave you the option to be a dickweed scum.

Fallout 3 does "feeling like a game instead of an expansion packs" better.

But it pretty much rapes Fallout lore, world, factions, etc., in so many ways it isn't funny.

If you want a plot that actually has anything to do with Fallout, go play New Vegas.

If you just want to run around shooting shit in a game that is actually playable, play Fallout 3.

Nobody cares about Fallout pre-Bethesdafication, so raping the lore doesn't matter.

I believe that No Mutants Allowed wants to have a talk with this statement.

http://nma-fallout.com/

No mutants around is a dedicated Fallout series fansite that has been around forever. It has been, and continue to be, the lovers of everything fifties and apocalyptic even before Bethesda pretty much ruined the series.

 

[evilneko]

anc[is]I personally liked the environments in FO3 better. Yes there were lots of subway tunnels, but to me NV seems... empty. There is just so much wasted space in NV. Compare Freeside to Megaton. Megaton is visually distinct and there is a lot there. Freeside is dull and boring and it really feels like they just went down the checklist and put the minimum requisite buildings in random places.

Very much this. Fallout 3 really feels post-apocalyptic and I love it for that. New Vegas.. not so much. 3 spreads the encounters and interesting things around more as well, while NV has them clustered together, leaving vast tracts of empty, uninteresting land.

 

[Mr Cwtchy]

I believe that No Mutants Allowed wants to have a talk with this statement.

http://nma-fallout.com/

No mutants around is a dedicated Fallout series fansite that has been around forever. It has been, and continue to be, the lovers of everything fifties and apocalyptic even before Bethesda pretty much ruined the series.

Lawl, referring to NMA doesn't really make Classic Fallout fans look very good. That site is a bastion of hatred and bile, with very little rationality.

And as for F3 'ruining the series', unless I'm much mistaken Bethesda did not break into people's houses and burn their copies of F1 & 2. In short, that part is typical internet hyperbolic bullshit.