What does it mean to be a "gamer" anymore? Does it mean anything at all?

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Ariseishirou

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The terms "casual" and "core" gamer, as well as the word "gamer" itself is oft-debated in gaming forums, I know. For the most part, I tend to avoid the argument. It always seemed pretentious, silly, and exclusionary: a way of heaping scorn and derision on the people who don't play the games that you play (e.g. "people who play shooters are casuals!", "people who play JRPGs are casuals!", "people who play iOS and Facebook games aren't real gamers!", etc. ad nauseum).

But the other day something happened to me that forced me to reconsider my perspective. So let me frame my discussion with a recounting.

I was set up on a date with a certain gentleman by mutual friends. While I've dated non-gamers in the past, my preference is to date gamers. I spend a considerable amount of time on my hobby, I'd like to be able to share it with the person I care about. Besides, my BFF isn't always around to play co-op. Anyway, I've made this preference known - my friends set us up because, I was assured, we both had that hobby in common. Now, this gentleman was a little old for me and I don't usually go for older men, but since he was a gamer, just think of what he must have played in his youth! The old King's Quest games, or the original Fallout! I was certainly willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on account of our shared interests.

After breaking the ice with the usual - professions, schools, travel, etc. - I asked him what games he'd played lately. I was curious to see what sort of gamer he was. My friends had no specifics. I have my own favourites, but my tastes are pretty broad. Shooters, RPGs, platformers - all good!

"Oh, I've been busy - you know, work." He replied. "What about you?"

Fair enough, I thought. We're both busy professionals. And showing an interest in me is good sign! I told him that I was busy too with projects, and had finally gotten around to picking up Skyrim.

"Skyrim?" He asked. "I've never heard of it."

"...Uh, you know, Skyrim." I was puzzled. I hadn't name-dropped an obscure Japanese-language only import from a decade ago - this was 2011's Game of the Year. "It's an RPG? By Bethesda."

No recognition.

"They made Fallout 3."

"Never heard of it. What system is it for?"

"It's, uh, on both of them, as I understand it."

"Both?"

"Both PS3 and 360. Oh, and PC too, I think."

"I only own a PC."

Oh, I thought, with relief. He's a PC gamer. Personally, I'm primarily a console gamer, but I have a gaming laptop and a Steam account. This could work. "So what did you think about Diablo 3?"

"I haven't gotten around to it yet."

"You played the first two?"

"I played the first one."

"Yeah, that was a classic, wasn't it? What was your favourite class?"

"Uh... I don't really remember. I don't think I beat it."

He sounded surprisingly disinterested in the topic; a marked contrast to the enthusiasm I'm accustomed to when talking to other gamers. Something wasn't right. But, hey, he'd told my friends he was a gamer. He'd mentioned it himself at the beginning of the date. So, he must be one, right? And I'm no gaming snob - anything he plays is fine. Maybe it is just Robot Unicorn Attack, or World of Warcraft. I play far too much pew pew myself. "So... what have you played lately?"

He doesn't respond. He sits there deep in thought, dredging through memories. And I begin to wonder...

As it turns out, the original Diablo was probably one of the last games he'd tried. His entire knowledge of Final Fantasy comes from 7; he's never heard of Crysis. But he doesn't really know classic games either. He played a few rounds of Quake at a friend's LAN party, but Wolf 3D and System Shock don't garner so much of a flicker of recognition.

And that's when it hits me. He is not a gamer. Maybe back in the 1990s and 80s he sort of was one - a very casual one. I can't talk to him about anything more in depth than "so, about that Super Mario World, eh?" and yet he clings to the identifier because he knows what "zerg rush" means (although not how to effectively perform one).

But surely, the argument goes, anyone who plays any games at all is a "gamer"? After all, we don't have words for "movie watcher" and "book reader". Everyone does those things.

Well, that's part of the problem. Gaming, at least to people of a certain again, has become virtually ubiquitous - like reading books or watching television. Everyone does it. While back in the 90s calling yourself a "gamer" might have meant identifying with part of a subculture, these days "I play video games" is tantamount to saying "I use the internet". Or, "I breathe air and drink water". "Gamer" must necessarily mean something other than "has played any video games at all" because it is fast becoming interchangeable with "human being on the planet Earth".

And actually, we do have exclusionary terms for those people who turn book reading and movie watching into a hobby or a passion: avid readers and film buffs. While you might not expect everyone to have watched Citizen Kane, it would be perfectly reasonable to expect someone who claims to be a cinema aficionado to have done so. And it would be very strange indeed if a self-professed avid reader had never even heard of Tom Clancy, even if their tastes don't include his work. If you listed "listening to music" as a hobby on your eHarmony profile, but you last listened to an album of any kind ten years ago and even then only listened to a handful of bands back then your potential romantic partners would feel (rightly) that you had misrepresented yourself to them.

Yet, because there was that subculture of "gamer" versus "non-gamer", people cling desperately to the descriptor because that's how they want to identify, that's where they want to belong, even though in truth they slid into "non-gamer" status years ago. Especially now that geek is the new cool, and gaming is mainstream.

How do we solve this problem? How do we salvage the word "gamer" from the utter meaninglessness it has come to hold? Do we pry "gamer" out of the clutches of those who don't really game and make it a term like film buff? So that someone who'd last watched a movie in the 90s and then only Independence Day would feel utterly ridiculous telling someone they were one?

Or do we remove the stigma from the word "casual" - stop using it as an insult directed at those who don't play games we like, and use it on those who rarely play games at all. Make "core" not a badge of honour, but a simple point of fact. After all, "casual filmgoer" is not an insult, and no one would take it as such. Most of us probably are this, and unless we've seen hundreds, if not thousands of titles, we wouldn't dream of calling ourselves "film buffs". Similarly, "core" could be reserved for those who have more than ten or twenty games from any given generation.

My suspicion is that the damage is already done. "Gamer" has become a meaningless non-word to describe everyone born after 1970, but has enough subcultural cache that no one wants to let it go. And that removing the "core" versus "casual" stigma will be next to impossible (not to mention that the industry has started to use these terms themselves to talk about something entirely different altogether). I expect that we'll have to invent a new, neutral, generic term for "game buffs" that separates them from the "gamers" without insulting them.

So if I go out with a guy who calls himself a game buff, he'll probably have at least heard of Skyrim.
 

Guy from the 80's

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I hate the term hardcore gamer. It makes me think of 14 year old who play call of duty 50 hours a week and likes to own people. I play games maybe 30 hours a week and I consider myself a gamer, nothing more. Well ok maybe a nerd as well.
 

Vault101

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I dont think less of somone you could apply the term casual too...nor do I think the term "hardcore" applys to all of us

but fuck it...there's a distinction, I just wish people would stop dancing around it

like jim said with art games...when you say "hardcore" and "casual" generally people [i/]know what you mean[/i]

like when you say cartoon/animation and anime which technically are the same thing but people KNOW what you mean when you use the terms seperatly
 

Ariseishirou

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Guy from the 80 said:
I hate the term hardcore gamer. It makes me think of 14 year old who play call of duty 50 hours a week and likes to own people. I play games maybe 30 hours a week and I consider myself a gamer, nothing more. Well ok maybe a nerd as well.
As I said at the beginning of the teal deer, so do I. It's always struck me as a little obnoxious and exclusionary.

But we need something or "gamer" really is going to denote "human being".
 

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Since his last game was such a long time ago I wouldn't say your date was a "gamer" just like how a person who doesn't do plumbing anymore isn't a plumber.

Anyone who play games are gamers, those who don't aren't gamers. It's not a title you keep forever, if you stop playing games you stop being a gamer, simple.
 

Ariseishirou

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Vault101 said:
I dont think less of somone you could apply the term casual too...nor do I think the term "hardcore" applys to all of us

but fuck it...there's a distinction, I just wish people would stop dancing around it

like jim said with art games...when you say "hardcore" and "casual" generally people [i/]know what you mean[/i]

like when you say cartoon/animation and anime which technically are the same thing but people KNOW what you mean when you use the terms seperatly
The problem isn't that people don't know what "core" and "casual" mean - I think, as you say, that on some level we all do - the problem is that "casual" has become an insult, so people will misapply it to people they don't like, and others to whom it really does apply will fight tooth and nail not to be called one.
 
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The term casual gamer, I mean, it shouldn't be an insult, just a descriptor for someone who occasionally plays games.



I despise the term 'hardcore', it just makes me think of people who only play military FPS games.

Maybe make a new term, like, I dunno, off the top of my head, Daystar grade gamer.

>_>

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Ariseishirou

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Keoul said:
Since his last game was such a long time ago I wouldn't say your date was a "gamer" just like how a person who doesn't do plumbing anymore isn't a plumber.

Anyone who play games are gamers, those who don't aren't gamers. It's not a title you keep forever, if you stop playing games you stop being a gamer, simple.
But how long do you have to have stopped playing games to lose that title? Clearly, he felt that he still was one. And while I've heard people say things like "I was a plumber" or "I used to surf" in the past tense, I've never heard someone say "I was a gamer". It's always "I'm a gamer, but I haven't played anything for a while".

Again, I think it's the subculture problem. "Plumbing" isn't a culture like "gaming" is.
 

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Ariseishirou said:
Guy from the 80 said:
I hate the term hardcore gamer. It makes me think of 14 year old who play call of duty 50 hours a week and likes to own people. I play games maybe 30 hours a week and I consider myself a gamer, nothing more. Well ok maybe a nerd as well.
As I said at the beginning of the teal deer, so do I. It's always struck me as a little obnoxious and exclusionary.

But we need something or "gamer" really is going to denote "human being".
I think its pretty straightforward. There is nothing like a hardcore golfer, nothing like a hardcore sailor. So why hardcore gamer? I think the terms has been invented by maybe people who consider themselves hardcore/h@r1)c()r3 who feel contempt for people who play wii or the likes.
 

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Ariseishirou said:
I'd say if you're "out of the loop" of the gaming industry then you're no longer a gamer.
For instance in this generation if you don't know what:
-League of Legends (most played PC game this year so far)
-World Of Warcraft (most likely the biggest MMORPG so far)
-Team Fortress 2 (Ridiculously popular FPS with a huge fanbase)
-Skyrim (So much hype)
Are then you're probably not really a gamer, even if you're a casual gamer you should have at least HEARD of those titles they're just too big too ignore.
 

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Guy from the 80 said:
I think its pretty straightforward. There is nothing like a hardcore golfer, nothing like a hardcore sailor. So why hardcore gamer? I think the terms has been invented by maybe people who consider themselves hardcore/h@r1)c()r3 who feel contempt for people who play wii or the likes.
The thing is, though, not everyone golfs, and not everyone sails, so the comparison to gaming is sketchy. We're getting to the point where gaming is more comparable to watching films or television - i.e., something everyone does, so that "tv watcher" is more like "food eater". You just don't say it. It's assumed. You have to go out of your way to say "I don't watch television", instead.

Heck, even then if someone only golfed a couple of times years ago they probably wouldn't call themselves a "golfer". And if they do it regularly, but infrequently, they'd probably say they were a "casual" golfer.

Yet "casual gamer" is like "baby killer" in this hobby.
 

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This is too funny not to share. OP, what if your date just didn't like you, so he feigned ignorance? He just went "Skyrim is a pretty cool guy. Eh kills dragons and doesn't afraid of anything." in real life. For some reason I find this hilarious. And I mean no offence, either.
 

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To paraphrase Potter Stewart's statement about pornography, I can't define a gamer, but i'll know one when I see one.
 

Ariseishirou

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Keoul said:
Ariseishirou said:
I'd say if you're "out of the loop" of the gaming industry then you're no longer a gamer.
For instance in this generation if you don't know what:
-League of Legends (most played PC game this year so far)
-World Of Warcraft (most likely the biggest MMORPG so far)
-Team Fortress 2 (Ridiculously popular FPS with a huge fanbase)
-Skyrim (So much hype)
Are then you're probably not really a gamer, even if you're a casual gamer you should have at least HEARD of those titles they're just too big too ignore.
Yeah I'd begun to suspect that he wasn't a gamer when he hadn't heard of Skyrim. Even if he prefers another genre altogether, the hype and the advertising campaign would have been impossible to ignore if he was engaged in the hobby at all.

I did mention later that I played Call of Duty. His response? "Oh... yeah, I think I know that one."

But there's something that feels so wrong about judging who gets to be a "gamer" and who doesn't, even though it's pretty darn obvious to me now that we do need to draw that line somewhere.
 

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DoPo said:
This is too funny not to share. OP, what if your date just didn't like you, so he feigned ignorance? He just went "Skyrim is a pretty cool guy. Eh kills dragons and doesn't afraid of anything." in real life. For some reason I find this hilarious. And I mean no offence, either.
Hahahah yeah that would have been some pretty epic RL trolling. He seemed pretty sincere, though.
 

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DoPo said:
This is too funny not to share. OP, what if your date just didn't like you, so he feigned ignorance? He just went "Skyrim is a pretty cool guy. Eh kills dragons and doesn't afraid of anything." in real life. For some reason I find this hilarious. And I mean no offence, either.
-scoff- what sane man would dislike a partner who shares the same niche interests? a madman I say! a madman!
 

Ariseishirou

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Keoul said:
DoPo said:
This is too funny not to share. OP, what if your date just didn't like you, so he feigned ignorance? He just went "Skyrim is a pretty cool guy. Eh kills dragons and doesn't afraid of anything." in real life. For some reason I find this hilarious. And I mean no offence, either.
-scoff- what sane man would dislike a partner who shares the same niche interests? a madman I say! a madman!
Maybe he didn't feel any chemistry and this was his way of letting me down easy, lol. "Skyrim? Is that the new James Bond flick?" All the while has a $5000 Alienware gaming PC at home and a collection of titles in the thousands ;p
 

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I get confused with all the gamer terms 'casual', 'core', 'hardcore' all that jazz. I don't really know which category I fit into which makes me think I must be 'casual' but I do consider video games to be a main hobby so maybe I'm 'casual-core'. But then again it just doesn't matter to me as long as I find games I enjoy.
 

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Ariseishirou said:
Maybe he didn't feel any chemistry and this was his way of letting me down easy, lol. "Skyrim? Is that the new James Bond flick?" All the while has a $5000 Alienware gaming PC at home and a collection of titles in the thousands ;p
Pfft, scrub.
Everyone knows alienware are way overpriced :p he's definitely not a gamer if that was the case XD or at least not a "hardcore" one.
 

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Able Seacat said:
I don't really know which category I fit into which makes me think I must be 'casual' but I do consider video games to be a main hobby so maybe I'm 'casual-core'.
"Casual-core". Oh wow, are we there already, as a hobby? Are the distinctions really that fine?