What does the Confederate flag represent to you?
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The flag only represented their struggle...
although i do not condone their particular philosophies is a bigger crime to attempt to censor and bury a piece of American history (a particular piece that although some consider shameful and wrong) is still something that should Never be forgotten.
because if we go about history denying the past, nothing will stop us from doing the same mistakes again.
although i do not condone their particular philosophies is a bigger crime to attempt to censor and bury a piece of American history (a particular piece that although some consider shameful and wrong) is still something that should Never be forgotten.
because if we go about history denying the past, nothing will stop us from doing the same mistakes again.
It's a symbol of rebellion, history, and a peoples armed conflict.
Slavery barely adds into the historical significance of that flag, but then again the NAACP is more about obliterating real meanings making everything racist then shove their own made up past in others faces.
Slavery barely adds into the historical significance of that flag, but then again the NAACP is more about obliterating real meanings making everything racist then shove their own made up past in others faces.
The efforts of Southern Americans to become Independent from what they believed to be a Tyrannical regime, for which they were branded Rebels and Traitors, and condemned by Abraham Lincoln.
It also represents how many of their people died to defend their newly Independent Lands, and the heroes who stood amongst them to be slain also.
Robert Elliot Lee for instance.
Im Australian, have no American Heritage nor relation.
My opinion is not biased.
And as for slavery coming to mind, Jefferson Davis and his Patriarchs set theirs free long before Lincoln and his wife did.
But as i once read, a man once said, the Victors write history, Glorify the Vile, and Vilify the glorious.
It also represents how many of their people died to defend their newly Independent Lands, and the heroes who stood amongst them to be slain also.
Robert Elliot Lee for instance.
Im Australian, have no American Heritage nor relation.
My opinion is not biased.
And as for slavery coming to mind, Jefferson Davis and his Patriarchs set theirs free long before Lincoln and his wife did.
But as i once read, a man once said, the Victors write history, Glorify the Vile, and Vilify the glorious.
I find this funny.ENKC said:
Mainly cause when i think about Australia, I think about Georgia.
You should rename your post and question to "was the Civil War fought over slavery", since that is what this is boiling down to. So to address that question I'll say this. The civil war was fought over slavery. If you look at South Carolina's official documents declaring secession, they describe it as to protect slavery. Sure, states rights played a part, but what was the right states were fighting for? Slavery, what a coincidence. Also, the reason why slavery was declared illegal by Lincoln in the Emancipation Proclamation was because he and most people in the north believed that slavery was wrong. I won't argue whether all or even most of the people in the south were pro-slavery for racist reasons, I won't generalize as that is unfair. But most of the leadership was pro-slavery, and definitely not all of them (or even most) were pro-slavery for economic reasons.Baron Von Evil Satan said:
So, after that rambling, I'll answer your real question. This is what the Confederate flag means to me. It is unrealistic nostalgia. It represents a time where our country fought with itself in an attempt to finally end building tensions between the north and the south since the revolutionary war. It was a war sparked by and fought for slavery, that ended in the deaths of millions of men, women and children. Neither side was truly right, and neither side was truly wrong. Now trying to live back in those days, and remember them as the "glory days" is unrealistic, stupid, and problematic. If half of our country truly believes that this was the greatest time in their history, then they need to learn to face reality. Do you know what most people (at least the ones I know) think about the Civil War? WE DON'T. It happened 150 years ago, and there is no reason to try to relive it. Just as we should not try to live all of our other horrible wars, like WWI etc. There is your answer, NOW GOOD DAY!
*ahem*this isnt my name said:
No.
While I don't particularly agree with the Union's reasons for going to war (the South was in every way legally sound in seceding), the main issue that drove them to secede in the first place was, in fact, conflicting positions on slavery. The north essentially did everything, to the extent of depriving states of their rights, to ensure that even if slavery was legal down south, it wouldn't become legal nationally, and this legal shadiness led the south to secede.
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To me, the Confederate Flag represents southern pride and nationalism. It's really no different than an Italian who takes pride in having Roman roots. However, the people that adorn themselves with Confederate Flags represent to me stupid hicks, racists, and sore losers. Because that's who they typically are.
An old country that had good AND bad ways of doing business, just like every country EVER!
And, of course, rednecks.
EDIT: The civil war wasn't over slavery when it came right down to it, It was over taxes and the north being industrial while the south was rural and what not.
And, of course, rednecks.
EDIT: The civil war wasn't over slavery when it came right down to it, It was over taxes and the north being industrial while the south was rural and what not.
yeah, well hicks and rednecks isnt the nicest way to put it. my grandfather is a "hick" as you say. i believe it means being prideful of southern life. which i'm not, but its nice for others to beJonluw said:
Rednecks trying to be controversial...in Australia, not having a firm grasp of the historical meaning.
Woah, I think your interpretation is flawed, as is your argument.Estocavio said:
1: Just cause your from Australia, doesn't make you unbiased.
2: They tried to become independent for fear that Lincoln might outlaw slavery, not you other reason. also Lincoln didn't even issue the Emancipation Proclamation until HALF WAY through the war.
3: Robert E. Lee wasn't killed in battle, nor did he fight for the reasons that the others did, he fought only cause his hometown was in Virginia. He would have fought for the North otherwise.
4: You obviously show you "lack of bias" by calling the south heros, and calling the north Tyrannical.
5: Sure, the south was not all bad, but textbooks NEVER portray them as evil. That is actually one thing people have been cautious about, they teach the history, and not put in their own opinions.
6: They south became independent to keep slavery
7: They were of coarse branded Rebels and Traitors, that is what happens when you rebel.
8: Just because Jefferson Davis and his "patriarchs" set free his slaves before Lincoln did doesn't mean anything. That doesn't make him not racist (or less so since pretty much everybody in that time was racist). Your just adding in a fact that is completely unverifiable and unneeded.
Think before you write.
If I see it, all I can think of is bigotry and racism. If I see it on a trailer home...
Don't even get me started.
Don't even get me started.
In case you haven't figured out. The confederate flag is still a bit of a sore spot in the USA.
I think its a bad symbol and should generally not be used. While I don't think everyone who flies it a racist, I do see it as a mark of low class. I have to admit that, as a black man raised in the north, i don't find it to be a comforting thing and I tend to stay away from places that have them in abundance.
tl;dr Confederate Flag = low class and or racism but I'm black and, therefore, have a different view than others would.
I think its a bad symbol and should generally not be used. While I don't think everyone who flies it a racist, I do see it as a mark of low class. I have to admit that, as a black man raised in the north, i don't find it to be a comforting thing and I tend to stay away from places that have them in abundance.
tl;dr Confederate Flag = low class and or racism but I'm black and, therefore, have a different view than others would.
Since when did one man represent an entire nation? Using that logic I can assume that all Americans hate soldiers and they all believe that God intends for them to die. Slavery may be the reason the upper class rich politicians wanted to secede, but it certainly wasn't the reason most Southerners wanted to. They wanted freedom from a nation they viewed as oppressive. They see the North as taking advantage of them and stepping on them every chance it got. I explained this in my post, did you even read it? Or did you see "The South didn't represent slavery" and immediately pull out something ONE PERSON said. It doesn't even matter that he was Vice President. People have minds and they think their own ideas. An entire nation isn't going to unanimously agree with something someone says, no matter their position.Nurb said: