I do not like the kind of grind in WoW the quests are boring as fuck at the start and unless you have a friend to get you over that hurdle I am out of there. Also I find their skill system lacks skill as you have all your spells at the ready.
What Exactly Is Wrong With World Of Warcraft?
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You ask 'why is it so hated?' and then ask not to give the two biggest why it is hated for our answers. I almost don't care about the 'game' enough to comment but aside from the TWO BIGGEST REASONS (which we are not allowed to give) why I don't like it (i.e. hate it) because I find as boring as shit and hardly a game as such, but more of a collection of tasks that follow the bait and reward gameplay that I detest so much in other games too. Except WOW takes just that gameplay, and only that gameplay, and extends it out to about 100 of hours.
I liked Warcraft 1, 2 and 3. But World of Warcraft feels so worthless to me. HOWEVER - I totally get why some people are addicted to it. I don't begrudge them that enjoyment in life. Life is short enough and surely one of its goals is just to have a good time living. If that game gives those people what they need then more power to them. (Although in my experience most players tend to play for about 2-3 hours each day past the point when they were still having fun).
It does seem to suspiciously play on certain people's predisposition to collect things, and uses a number of psychological tricks to make it seem like progress is being made when nothing much is happening. I agree most games are like this, but most games are not 100s of hours long and require such an investment of a player's time (consistently).
My question is - If they released WOW2 and nothing you did in the first game travelled over to the second game, would you still play and invest as many hours? If not, then you might be addicted, but if so then you probably play it for the social aspect. Which is great, to share time with like-minded people, but as long as you?re aware that they?re using our human instinct to be part of a group and to help each other to get you to keep playing the game. If it?s not doing harm to any long term ?real-life? relationships then play on (my downstairs neighbours used to have huge fights over the amount of time he spent on the game, another friend lost his job from playing too much), god knows it's a better addiction to have than gambling. So if you're enjoying the moment - the act of playing - then keep playing, but if you're only focused on things like the level of your character, the items you have, the 'money' you've accumulated, or achieving the next goal, then proceed with caution - You might just be addicted without realising you could be having more fun doing something else. Perhaps even something more productive.
I liked Warcraft 1, 2 and 3. But World of Warcraft feels so worthless to me. HOWEVER - I totally get why some people are addicted to it. I don't begrudge them that enjoyment in life. Life is short enough and surely one of its goals is just to have a good time living. If that game gives those people what they need then more power to them. (Although in my experience most players tend to play for about 2-3 hours each day past the point when they were still having fun).
It does seem to suspiciously play on certain people's predisposition to collect things, and uses a number of psychological tricks to make it seem like progress is being made when nothing much is happening. I agree most games are like this, but most games are not 100s of hours long and require such an investment of a player's time (consistently).
My question is - If they released WOW2 and nothing you did in the first game travelled over to the second game, would you still play and invest as many hours? If not, then you might be addicted, but if so then you probably play it for the social aspect. Which is great, to share time with like-minded people, but as long as you?re aware that they?re using our human instinct to be part of a group and to help each other to get you to keep playing the game. If it?s not doing harm to any long term ?real-life? relationships then play on (my downstairs neighbours used to have huge fights over the amount of time he spent on the game, another friend lost his job from playing too much), god knows it's a better addiction to have than gambling. So if you're enjoying the moment - the act of playing - then keep playing, but if you're only focused on things like the level of your character, the items you have, the 'money' you've accumulated, or achieving the next goal, then proceed with caution - You might just be addicted without realising you could be having more fun doing something else. Perhaps even something more productive.
I only just got round to buying it as ive finished my Uni Semester and decided to treate myself. Was worried id become addicted but so far its not really done it for me.
My problems are.
* Players take it too seriously
* Grinding can become strenuous
* Having to collect items from corpses instead of just outright killing them (Seriously, collect pelt from monsters, how can their NOT be a pelt on the creature after you kill it?)
* I have a incredible ability to lose interest in everything
My problems are.
* Players take it too seriously
* Grinding can become strenuous
* Having to collect items from corpses instead of just outright killing them (Seriously, collect pelt from monsters, how can their NOT be a pelt on the creature after you kill it?)
* I have a incredible ability to lose interest in everything
I've only read the first page, but really, I doubt there's that much insight in the rest of the 6 pages. Essentially; there are usually two kinds of people who hate WoW, and 'avoid it like the plague'. The first batch are the 'secondary victims' or people who were affected by WoW by an exterior force: a friend, family member or extreme news article that showed them the 'travesties' of MMOs and WoW in particular. The second batch are the 'AA victims'. Victims of WoW who were addicted to it but now became an advocate against it. Sort of like that dolphin guy in 'The Cove'. In that group, there are people who don't like it because of it's addiction and people who hate it because of the direction Blizzard took WoW in. (Various expansions and patches have caused unsubs)Thyunda said:
However, to your other splinter question on why it is so addictive, there was a great post on cracked.com (I do realize it's a joke site, but it had some valuable information). Essentially, addiction in video games is fueled by a sense of achievement. Keyword here: Achievement. Similar to Xbox Live (if I can stretch the metaphor that LIVE is a MMO of sorts) then we can see that people are 'addicted' to achievements and points. In WoW, a achievement system was put in place where it is very similar to LIVE's system. You do pointless SHIT to get more points/titles/mounts. I see people on LIVE all the time playing Willy Wonka's Chocolate House for the free 500 points. Why would they subject their precious time to play a crappy game just for some points? FOR THEIR EGO. That's exactly what WoW does. By PvPing, Raiding, or achievement hunting, you are trying to be the best at what you do. By reaching this top tier echelon of your 'profession' so to speak, you have achieved greatness. Of course this is one of the many reasons why WoW is so addictive, another being the largely social aspect that alot of people seem to not grasp. Obviously on a private server I doubt you'll be getting this full experience since you're probably grabbing Full T10 and other modded items from the get-go. But anyway, enjoy the game! Pirate.
If anything repetitive is grinding, then would not almost any game ever fall under this category? What game doesn't have you doing the same things at some point?Fappy said:
Wow..Just wow. Sorry but if you think this, YOU are not the gamer and I feel sorry for the fact you think so many terrible MMOs are really better than Warcraft.Bojinglez said:
Alot of people on here like anime, without sounding condescending, I outgrew animations. Thats probably why I don't like those graphics, who knows.Tehlanna TPX said:Oh I wasn't trying to insinuate anything by your comment. Sorry you got that impression. I have heard that comparison before: that wow looks very cartoonish. I've never really understood that, honestly... but then again I like cartoons and anime... and cartoonish to me makes me think of.. spongebob? Kids cartoons I guess.
I got the Naga because I'm right handed and actually am not big on keybinding to my keyboard. I don't like to use my left hand much except as a slave to chat typing. So the thumb pad is perfect for me.
I am right handed aswell but I like using my left some times, either way it's quite comfy. Is it just my mouse or do you often right click or press one of the side buttons by mistake? They seem very sensitive to me, I guess it's a good and bad thing though.
I suppose that may be the case these days, but I quit as it was still developing into this. Originally, if you actually wanted to see the real content of the game, you would have to grind your way to the top in a hundred different ways. Now that they have different raid difficulties and stuff I guess that's no longer necessary.Jiraiya72 said:
WoW is not complex?Bojinglez said:
Alright, then, if it is not complex, then tell me the optimal rotation for generating the maximum amount of threat as a paladin tank, and why it is that way. What is Exorcism's role in that, and with your rotation, what is the best sort of weapon to use, a slow or fast weapon? And why?
WoW is simple to learn, but it's a lot more complex than you give it credit for. And it's not 'easy mode' when you're trying to dodge all manor of environmental effects, adjust position of the mobs for maximum output of damage and minimum input of damage, while making sure all your basic cooldown abilities are being used in a timely manner (i.e. every global cooldown.)
Of course, this is without considering the fact that complex and good are not the same word. Rolemaster is a complex roleplaying game. It is also terrible for most players. Most 'complex' MMOs are needlessly complex, confusing things like 'corpse runs' and 'grinding for days for a level' and 'You lose xp for dying' and 'useless abilities that are traps for the player' with 'difficulty.'
Difficulty implies that some sort of skill is involved.
Punishing a player for actually bothering to try to play and learn your game is making the game difficult to like, not difficult to play. Critically speaking, unlikeability is a bad trait for a game.
I would love to try this game, but it's subscription based. I don't like the idea of paying monthly fees. It means I'm just renting the game, all I own is my player, who's useless without the game. So, yeah, I have no problem with it. Also, just have to say, I agree with you, "it's a waste of time" is a purely subjective argument.
Paraphrased for truth.
Paraphrased for truth.
The whole game is just a huge trap of Do this and you'll have achieved something....when you never really do,you just have to play to infinity and never get a proper fun experience.The best feeling you can get out of it is when everything works how it is supposed to.
Also,people comparing every other mmo to wow,or saying it's a wow clone.Honestly if you give all other games a chance,youll find ones that make you ashamed you didn't find them sooner (Dungeons and Dragons Online)
Also,people comparing every other mmo to wow,or saying it's a wow clone.Honestly if you give all other games a chance,youll find ones that make you ashamed you didn't find them sooner (Dungeons and Dragons Online)
I dont hate it, i just dont think its very much fun. ANd i dont like subsription charges for games, I wanna buy something and then own it.
For me - lacks story (apart from the pop-referencing quest dispensers) and any real character development. It's just a MMO, not a MMORPG. And while i had a real good time on the DB RP-PvP server (Dwarven Rifle Squad ftw), the scarce moments of good multiplayer roleplaying are not worth the time and money invested.
Now i'm looking forward to SW:TOR, because whoever of the devs doesn't mention "story" everytime they're asked a question loses a limb by lightsaber - no rly [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1-SlWhwtpI&feature=player_embedded]
Now i'm looking forward to SW:TOR, because whoever of the devs doesn't mention "story" everytime they're asked a question loses a limb by lightsaber - no rly [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1-SlWhwtpI&feature=player_embedded]
Well I only got one complaint and that is it gets rather boring, but I shall explain that...
To me wow is a surreal work of art, it's the closest thing to immiatating life that we currently have. You experience(and get to remember) birth in the game, you get to grow up(If you started out a noob like I did)slowly learning from everything around you, learning lessons, making friends and pwning shit if you learn fast.
You then become an "adult" and either give birth to a guild and becoming a parent or become really good and become the cool uncle who shows noobs important stuff like shooting soup cans with a BB-Gun.
Then after usually one generation (expantion) of wow you become an old person and nostalgia(spell check) and bordom kicks in. All these kids with their DK's, dailies, Arena gear from raiding and Rock and rolling have it easy and should get off my old content's lawn.
Then you pass on, find something new (drugs, RL friends, Evony Online, porn) and laugh at the whole lot of them and their sad exsistance.
TL;DR Wow=Life and everyone who laughs at wow players are dead on the inside.
To me wow is a surreal work of art, it's the closest thing to immiatating life that we currently have. You experience(and get to remember) birth in the game, you get to grow up(If you started out a noob like I did)slowly learning from everything around you, learning lessons, making friends and pwning shit if you learn fast.
You then become an "adult" and either give birth to a guild and becoming a parent or become really good and become the cool uncle who shows noobs important stuff like shooting soup cans with a BB-Gun.
Then after usually one generation (expantion) of wow you become an old person and nostalgia(spell check) and bordom kicks in. All these kids with their DK's, dailies, Arena gear from raiding and Rock and rolling have it easy and should get off my old content's lawn.
Then you pass on, find something new (drugs, RL friends, Evony Online, porn) and laugh at the whole lot of them and their sad exsistance.
TL;DR Wow=Life and everyone who laughs at wow players are dead on the inside.