What Exactly Is Wrong With World Of Warcraft?
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First off: please bear in mind that I've not only played it for 5 years now, but that I am still playing regularly. I work nights, so even as boring as it is, it beats watching the idiot box and I've read everything I own, plus everyone I know (that I don't work with, at least) is at work while I'm sleeping or doing "after work" stuff.
That being said WoW's quality of play has decreased as its content has increased. It used to be, back in Vanilla, that a person had to spend MONTHS earning gear- I myself, being a night worker, used to live in BGs once they were implemented, so that I could earn the highest pvp ranks possible on my 2 toons (one Hordie, one *ugh* Ally). It was an excruciating, time-consuming behemoth of a task, but once I got my rank up, I was so relieved and excited that I forgot how hard it was...until the next day when the grind started again.
Nowadays, it's literally a week's worth of BG grinding (which is not even REMOTELY a grind anymore) and HUZZAH! A full pvp set (minus Arena items, of course).
Same goes for raiding--guilds used to take AGES to clear content, now, once a video has been put up from the PT server, or even a week has passed, people know how to clear a raid.
I also loathe how easy it is to get from 1 to 80 now. I'm an alt-whore, mostly due to the fact that my job doesn't afford me "prime time play", so I don't have raiding available to me (and I detest Arena PVP...it's just BS dueling). Blizz has made leveling so incredibly easy now, that a person doesn't need to finish off more than a zone or two on any continent before they hit 80. I've recently rolled onto a server with RL friends, so I started out essentially broke and with no Heirlooms to add to my exp gains. My toon, who only has about 3 days worth of playtime (lots of AFKing going on) is now 65. I've not done 50% of Hellfire's quests and am leapfrogging zones just to build a little rep as I wait in queue to run random instances until I hit 68.
Which brings me to random LFG, which is a great addition to the game. Seriously, it cuts down my idling a LOT cos I don't really have to "work" at forming runs any longer. But it has inspired SO MUCH DOUCHEBAGGERY that I all but turn off my party chat and either DPS or heal my way thru stuff with these random fskheads who believe that just because we don't all share a server, they don't have to be at least CIVIL.
So, my qualms are basically: it's too fsking easy a game now[footnote]and it's too easy for even NEW players. I've met a TON who don't know where items/quests/npcs/areas are, yet are playing level 80 toons.[/footnote] and larger community = more dickheads.
That being said WoW's quality of play has decreased as its content has increased. It used to be, back in Vanilla, that a person had to spend MONTHS earning gear- I myself, being a night worker, used to live in BGs once they were implemented, so that I could earn the highest pvp ranks possible on my 2 toons (one Hordie, one *ugh* Ally). It was an excruciating, time-consuming behemoth of a task, but once I got my rank up, I was so relieved and excited that I forgot how hard it was...until the next day when the grind started again.
Nowadays, it's literally a week's worth of BG grinding (which is not even REMOTELY a grind anymore) and HUZZAH! A full pvp set (minus Arena items, of course).
Same goes for raiding--guilds used to take AGES to clear content, now, once a video has been put up from the PT server, or even a week has passed, people know how to clear a raid.
I also loathe how easy it is to get from 1 to 80 now. I'm an alt-whore, mostly due to the fact that my job doesn't afford me "prime time play", so I don't have raiding available to me (and I detest Arena PVP...it's just BS dueling). Blizz has made leveling so incredibly easy now, that a person doesn't need to finish off more than a zone or two on any continent before they hit 80. I've recently rolled onto a server with RL friends, so I started out essentially broke and with no Heirlooms to add to my exp gains. My toon, who only has about 3 days worth of playtime (lots of AFKing going on) is now 65. I've not done 50% of Hellfire's quests and am leapfrogging zones just to build a little rep as I wait in queue to run random instances until I hit 68.
Which brings me to random LFG, which is a great addition to the game. Seriously, it cuts down my idling a LOT cos I don't really have to "work" at forming runs any longer. But it has inspired SO MUCH DOUCHEBAGGERY that I all but turn off my party chat and either DPS or heal my way thru stuff with these random fskheads who believe that just because we don't all share a server, they don't have to be at least CIVIL.
So, my qualms are basically: it's too fsking easy a game now[footnote]and it's too easy for even NEW players. I've met a TON who don't know where items/quests/npcs/areas are, yet are playing level 80 toons.[/footnote] and larger community = more dickheads.
I get the outgrowing stuff. We're always changing and growing, as it were.omega 616 said:Alot of people on here like anime, without sounding condescending, I outgrew animations. Thats probably why I don't like those graphics, who knows.Tehlanna TPX said:Oh I wasn't trying to insinuate anything by your comment. Sorry you got that impression. I have heard that comparison before: that wow looks very cartoonish. I've never really understood that, honestly... but then again I like cartoons and anime... and cartoonish to me makes me think of.. spongebob? Kids cartoons I guess.
I got the Naga because I'm right handed and actually am not big on keybinding to my keyboard. I don't like to use my left hand much except as a slave to chat typing. So the thumb pad is perfect for me.
I am right handed aswell but I like using my left some times, either way it's quite comfy. Is it just my mouse or do you often right click or press one of the side buttons by mistake? They seem very sensitive to me, I guess it's a good and bad thing though.
As far as the mouse goes, no, I don't seem to have too much of a problem with random clicks on the right side. My mouse is very tiny as far as gaming mouses go, but I have tiny girl hands (hahaha being a girl that works well!), so it's a perfect fit for me
.The PVP grind is actually dependent on what your BG group is. Mine blows, so I tend to avoid pvp...at least for now.Nemu said:
I agree with your last comment. I cannot stand being nagged by people about simple stuff.. that they should've learned leveling. But they're 80. In vanilla we called that ebaying... nowadays it's just par for the course. We can't really complain, unfortunately; the masses whined and whined till Blizzard gave them what they want. It just makes my ignore list longer
.The community is pretty horrible, lots of pseudo elitists and just plain rude people and a lot of the "veteran" players really aren't that helpful to new players. Also a lot of people I know who only played the trail are basically playing the most boring part of the game (1-20) where you have very few skills, don't see many other people and can't do raids or arena and dislike it because of that.
I only really play for arena now with friends, even though a lot of people think pvp is imbalanced (usually people in pve gear that get killed a lot in bg's), it's not as bad as people make out every class has a glad viable spec.
I only really play for arena now with friends, even though a lot of people think pvp is imbalanced (usually people in pve gear that get killed a lot in bg's), it's not as bad as people make out every class has a glad viable spec.
Well it would be quite scary if you had man hands. I often find myself right clicking on web pages or skipping forward/backwards, maybe it's me being heavy handed.Tehlanna TPX said:I get the outgrowing stuff. We're always changing and growing, as it were.
As far as the mouse goes, no, I don't seem to have too much of a problem with random clicks on the right side. My mouse is very tiny as far as gaming mouses go, but I have tiny girl hands (hahaha being a girl that works well!), so it's a perfect fit for me
I wish mine was a little fatter so it fit a little better, I even have piano-esk hands (long thin fingers and hands) so if it's too skinny for me, I would hate to have proper man hands and use it.
I might give WoW a try one day, see what the fuss is about, might rob one off my friend who apparently has 4 high level accounts.
Can't say I hate it till I give it a shot.
It devoures your life.
Now, I have no doubt in my mind that if I tried it, I would like World of Warcraft. Hell, I might even LOVE it, but I've seen how it just devoures the lives of my friends, and seeing as how I procrastinate too much already, and I have a lot of work at school. I'd like to try it, but for the benifit of myself, I just can't.
Now, I have no doubt in my mind that if I tried it, I would like World of Warcraft. Hell, I might even LOVE it, but I've seen how it just devoures the lives of my friends, and seeing as how I procrastinate too much already, and I have a lot of work at school. I'd like to try it, but for the benifit of myself, I just can't.
Well, I admit, I'm one of those players who used to have to spend hours upon hours weekly grinding 160k+ honor in order to rank up (or maintain my current ranks) each week. lolTehlanna TPX said:The PVP grind is actually dependent on what your BG group is. Mine blows, so I tend to avoid pvp...at least for now.Nemu said:
I agree with your last comment. I cannot stand being nagged by people about simple stuff.. that they should've learned leveling. But they're 80. In vanilla we called that ebaying... nowadays it's just par for the course. We can't really complain, unfortunately; the masses whined and whined till Blizzard gave them what they want. It just makes my ignore list longer
Seeing how easy it is versus how easy it WAS makes me feel like the cranky old folks who tell kids to "git offa mah lawn!". xD
In other words, I remember how it was, and as hard as it was, I almost prefer it. ><! Plus... Old AV could definitely suck (those 3-day marathons that went on were brutal-no, I didn't play the whole time), but it's INFINITELY better than it is now. There is no PVP, only Zuul...
I wish I could ignore people, tho, but they're like a car crash. I loathe Trade but I can't...stop...reading it...
Ha it would certainly creep my husband out if my hands suddenly became mannish I'm sureomega 616 said:Well it would be quite scary if you had man hands. I often find myself right clicking on web pages or skipping forward/backwards, maybe it's me being heavy handed.Tehlanna TPX said:I get the outgrowing stuff. We're always changing and growing, as it were.
As far as the mouse goes, no, I don't seem to have too much of a problem with random clicks on the right side. My mouse is very tiny as far as gaming mouses go, but I have tiny girl hands (hahaha being a girl that works well!), so it's a perfect fit for me
I wish mine was a little fatter so it fit a little better, I even have piano-esk hands (long thin fingers and hands) so if it's too skinny for me, I would hate to have proper man hands and use it.
I might give WoW a try one day, see what the fuss is about, might rob one off my friend who apparently has 4 high level accounts.
Can't say I hate it till I give it a shot.
. I've heard the complaint about razer's mouses needing to be 'fatter' or 'wider', and I can understand that. That was actually my complaint about the 'wow mouse'. Too unwieldy. Maybe you'd like that? I'm honestly not sure about it's usefulness outside of WoW unfortunately.But yeah if your buddy has some high lvls accts why not give it a try one day? Can't hurt. Hell, I get nagged daily to try Aion and STO. I might give in out of curiosity one day
.I used to be a healer ***** for a warrior back in vanilla pvp grinds, so I get you completely. I was also on a much healthier bg group then (warsong.... ruin was the group i believe!). I totally get that old school mentality! Personally, being more pve oriented, I get pissy about the ease with which the newer people can access end game raid content. I remember having to work and work and work to get keyed and attuned. Now it's "Oh hai you're 80, LOOK SHINEY EPICS".Nemu said:Well, I admit, I'm one of those players who used to have to spend hours upon hours weekly grinding 160k+ honor in order to rank up (or maintain my current ranks) each week. lolTehlanna TPX said:The PVP grind is actually dependent on what your BG group is. Mine blows, so I tend to avoid pvp...at least for now.Nemu said:
I agree with your last comment. I cannot stand being nagged by people about simple stuff.. that they should've learned leveling. But they're 80. In vanilla we called that ebaying... nowadays it's just par for the course. We can't really complain, unfortunately; the masses whined and whined till Blizzard gave them what they want. It just makes my ignore list longer
Seeing how easy it is versus how easy it WAS makes me feel like the cranky old folks who tell kids to "git offa mah lawn!". xD
In other words, I remember how it was, and as hard as it was, I almost prefer it. ><! Plus... Old AV could definitely suck (those 3-day marathons that went on were brutal-no, I didn't play the whole time), but it's INFINITELY better than it is now. There is no PVP, only Zuul...
I wish I could ignore people, tho, but they're like a car crash. I loathe Trade but I can't...stop...reading it...
...but I do have newb friends and I like to play with them.. so I guess it balances for me.. lol.
PS: Pro Ghostbusters quote! Total <3.
Edit: I fucking HATE trade chat. Anal spam what the hell. I am so SICK of chuck norris, if I meet the man I will probably have to be restrained. UGH.
What's wrong with the storyline? There's tonnes of storylines in all shapes and sizes, both from the world-defining stuff to the more mundane. If I were to hazard a guess, I'd say you don't actually read your quests, and thus lose out on the storylines. If you missed something, there are plenty of online resources where you can have a look and find out what. In fact, I've yet to see an MMO do storylines with as much success as WoW does, and I've been looking, since storylines are my main reason for playing most any game.Sparrow said:
Have hopes for Bioware's KotOR MMO, but only as a diversion. I don't believe they will create something with lasting appeal... cynical as though that may be.
The only part of the game I will acknowledge is the social aspect, but even then just about every other multiplayer game offers that; many of which don't even involve so much planning or number crunching. Maybe WoW is just the most popular low-graphics game.
Warcraft did have a good storyline its just they pulled a Gears of War and decided not to have any of it in WOW and thats why I hate itSparrow said:
I also hate Wow for stopping all outer projects when there cashcow hit big so i hate WOW for D3 and Star craft 2 taking so goddamn long
I'm sorry, but that's a bit of an oversimplification, isn't it? I've played WoW for a few years now and I've never just clicked on an enemy and watched my character fight them to the death without me doing anything else. There's abilities, spells, and movement typically involved in even basic fights. The only time I'll just click and let it do whatever is if I significantly overpower it (such as mobs ten+ lower levels than I am).Sparrow said:
Still, if you're not a fan of the combat, I guess that's your own personal taste. Same with the storyline. I personally love the WarCraft story (even with all the flaws), and have been following it since Orcs vs. Humans.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with World of Warcraft and this topic is proof. I've seen people complain about damn near every aspect WoW could ever have, and some it doesn't. People have also complained about the opposite of what people have complained about. So I'd say it's just not some people's cup of tea and the reason so many people seem to hate it is because the ones who hate it are the ones not playing and talking about it while the ones who like it are playing it.
As for the graphics yeah they're a little cartoony but they're good, they're aesthetically pleasing and immersive. They don't have the edgy, blocky, and sometimes glitchy look of other games and they care about the details, IE: When your character jumps and lands without continuing to run he actually bends his knees a little when he lands as if he had actually just jumped. A wild concept I know.
And about the whole "addictive" thing, it's just a game guys. If you let a game become a life altering addiction for you then you were probably looking for something to do that anyways.
Also I like how it's overall gotten easier, because it makes it more accessible to new players. My little sister has a lvl 12 hunter with no skills because I can't get her to go to a class trainer but you know what, half the time I look over at her playing she's running around in Warsong Gulch, and for the most part being useless and getting killed. But she's chatting with her friends who are also playing and she's having fun.
As for the storyline, yes there is one but you have to look for it and it's mostly there for people who have played the Warcraft games and know the lore. I remember the first time I did the culling of stratholme, a high level instance. I walked in was like oh hey I'm a human cool, and did a quick human dance before going on my merry way. Now at the time I hadn't paid attention to the name and just knew it was CoS so I'm walking inside and I come upon a scene where Arthas is talking to Uther and Jaina. My mouth drops open in disbelief and I can't hold back a smile as the scene unfolds and I think to myself holy fucking shit I'm about to do the culling of stratholme mission from Warcraft III. And it was good, it was reeeeeally good.
People who have problems with the social aspect of the game need to realize that you're not on a bus, unable to avoid the gaze of that creepy guy on the other side or the incessant chatter of the person next to you(unless you do something drastic). You're playing a game with an ignore feature, I've seen people absolutely rage at other people because of things they've said, and they had plenty of stuff to warn them that this may not be someone they want to talk to. Honestly I think those people were pretty much asking for someone to make fun of them. The game is going to be as socially rich as you want to make it so stop just taking shit as it comes and if you don't like it then get away from it.
And most of all its a Blizzard game, a company well known for taking their sweet time to make games, but it makes EPIC games. I mean hell look at how successful WoW is, and blizzard didn't even think it was going to be any good lol. Although really I'm sure you could nitpick all day, much like you can with anything, and find millions of things wrong with WoW but in the end it's the best MMO out there. And if you think otherwise then I'd like you to offer one better, and I'll bet dollars to dimes the developer's of that game wish their game was WoW.
As for the graphics yeah they're a little cartoony but they're good, they're aesthetically pleasing and immersive. They don't have the edgy, blocky, and sometimes glitchy look of other games and they care about the details, IE: When your character jumps and lands without continuing to run he actually bends his knees a little when he lands as if he had actually just jumped. A wild concept I know.
And about the whole "addictive" thing, it's just a game guys. If you let a game become a life altering addiction for you then you were probably looking for something to do that anyways.
Also I like how it's overall gotten easier, because it makes it more accessible to new players. My little sister has a lvl 12 hunter with no skills because I can't get her to go to a class trainer but you know what, half the time I look over at her playing she's running around in Warsong Gulch, and for the most part being useless and getting killed. But she's chatting with her friends who are also playing and she's having fun.
As for the storyline, yes there is one but you have to look for it and it's mostly there for people who have played the Warcraft games and know the lore. I remember the first time I did the culling of stratholme, a high level instance. I walked in was like oh hey I'm a human cool, and did a quick human dance before going on my merry way. Now at the time I hadn't paid attention to the name and just knew it was CoS so I'm walking inside and I come upon a scene where Arthas is talking to Uther and Jaina. My mouth drops open in disbelief and I can't hold back a smile as the scene unfolds and I think to myself holy fucking shit I'm about to do the culling of stratholme mission from Warcraft III. And it was good, it was reeeeeally good.
People who have problems with the social aspect of the game need to realize that you're not on a bus, unable to avoid the gaze of that creepy guy on the other side or the incessant chatter of the person next to you(unless you do something drastic). You're playing a game with an ignore feature, I've seen people absolutely rage at other people because of things they've said, and they had plenty of stuff to warn them that this may not be someone they want to talk to. Honestly I think those people were pretty much asking for someone to make fun of them. The game is going to be as socially rich as you want to make it so stop just taking shit as it comes and if you don't like it then get away from it.
And most of all its a Blizzard game, a company well known for taking their sweet time to make games, but it makes EPIC games. I mean hell look at how successful WoW is, and blizzard didn't even think it was going to be any good lol. Although really I'm sure you could nitpick all day, much like you can with anything, and find millions of things wrong with WoW but in the end it's the best MMO out there. And if you think otherwise then I'd like you to offer one better, and I'll bet dollars to dimes the developer's of that game wish their game was WoW.
i don't think anything is wrong with it, just some of the people who play it. i know somebody who practically never left his house for 6 months because of it. he only just about managed to drag himself into college. i used to play it and had a good time doing so, i just had self control. if i could afford the subscription fee i'd probably play it now. self control is all you need.
