Meh I really don't think that health bars or huds do much of anything save get in the way and/or lead to retarded health pack placements. I would rather FPS' focus on adding things like traps and shit that kill instantly or near instantly. If mmore FPS' did what R2 and Fallout 3 does with the cloaked assholes in R2 and the traps in F3 people wouldn't be able to say these games were too easy.
What happened to my boss fights?
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Yeah... he was such a disappointment. I was surprised as all hell when he started shooting lasers, but I was so surprised by the fact that just three return blasts dropped him when I spent so long shooting him in Halo 1 with every rocket I could find. (Stupid Library...)Programmed_For_Damage said:
Golden Sun bosses were amazing even when they wiped the floor with you.
It was awesome to use all your best powers and watch all the explosions and such and see the boss still standing like a brick wall. Fortunately these bosses weren't incredible tough, but they took strategy to defeat. MOAR strategy bosses PLAES!
It was awesome to use all your best powers and watch all the explosions and such and see the boss still standing like a brick wall. Fortunately these bosses weren't incredible tough, but they took strategy to defeat. MOAR strategy bosses PLAES!
i don't think that was supposed to be regarded as the final boss the reaver riding part was the final bossconqueror Kenny said:
KH1 sephiroth destroys all!!! he was amazing so different and hard to boot,while he wasn't the final boss he shoulda been because he took me forever to beat. I love it when games throw the hardest challenge possible at you, you feel awesome when you over come it. and p.s.general Raam was a pussy, he takes like five minutes to kill with a friend, and about 15 alone, so yeah...
The Metriod games are good examples of boss fights done right.
The bosses don't have a too many hit points, but you have to find the weakness first. Even then, you can't trade hits because you WILL die if you attempt to. additionally, while the key to beating the boss is usually whatever power up you just got, it is frequently only one of the things you will need. Dodging the attacks is also challenging because the bosses actually have several of them. They are tough, but winnable if you play smart. If you mess up dodging it's not the end of the world, but you can't mess up too many times. Strafing usually dodges an attack, but sometimes it doesn't, so recognizing the attack that is coming is vital to success. Lastly, the bosses usually FEEL like bosses and are usually not out of place. You fight the giant plant monster in the fountain with lots of light and water, you fight the mother ice lizard thing in its home, and you fight the supermutant by the labs where it was created. They give you a sense of achievement while not being too difficult or cheap.
While not all games need a giant monster at the end (L4D has you hold back the horde of regular enemies), it works when thought is put into it and when the game play is until balanced when you know the gimmick/pattern.
The bosses don't have a too many hit points, but you have to find the weakness first. Even then, you can't trade hits because you WILL die if you attempt to. additionally, while the key to beating the boss is usually whatever power up you just got, it is frequently only one of the things you will need. Dodging the attacks is also challenging because the bosses actually have several of them. They are tough, but winnable if you play smart. If you mess up dodging it's not the end of the world, but you can't mess up too many times. Strafing usually dodges an attack, but sometimes it doesn't, so recognizing the attack that is coming is vital to success. Lastly, the bosses usually FEEL like bosses and are usually not out of place. You fight the giant plant monster in the fountain with lots of light and water, you fight the mother ice lizard thing in its home, and you fight the supermutant by the labs where it was created. They give you a sense of achievement while not being too difficult or cheap.
While not all games need a giant monster at the end (L4D has you hold back the horde of regular enemies), it works when thought is put into it and when the game play is until balanced when you know the gimmick/pattern.
Agreed; any game that forces you to rely on trial and error to make your way through a level is, to me, nothing more than poor level design.Woe Is You said:
The original Half life suffered badly from it in the minefield section (which was mercifully short...)
On the subject of final bosses, I'm also quite glad the 'boss with one weakness that appears at certain times' is gone. I'd much rather have a climactic, atmospheric battle like the one at the end of HL2 Episode 2, to the regimented (and irritating) final battle against the Nihilanth in HL
I eventually completed that final level, after an hour's trying, being constantly sent back through the portal to the room with the gargantua (I think that's what it's called anyway), running away from it, bouncing back to the top to fire at the nihilant, before being portalled straight back there. I eventually realised that I should kill the gargantua, did so, and then it only took me another few tries to kill the nihilanth.
Only reason I persevered that long was because I wanted to see the final sequence with the Gman.
Only reason I persevered that long was because I wanted to see the final sequence with the Gman.
Agreed with Half-Life boss encounters. Though i always felt that the Xen boss was a little, how should i say, over the top?clarinetJWD said:
That being said- Blast-Pit and Power-up were amazing, really mixed things up.
Especially the 2nd encounter with the Gargantua where you got to call in an air-strike on top of his big fat ugly head, BWUHAHAHAHA!
Oh and Shadow of the Colossus, most awe-inspiring and challenging bosses i've seen to date. I was in awe the first time i saw a boss battle in that game, couldn't believe it!
Lost Planet did boss fights fairly well. There's a mech/Giant Bug thingy. Either A) shoot it while dodging bullets/missiles or B) Shoot the red spots while dodging projectiles/melee attacks. Kill boss, finish level, go back to having fun with grappling hook. Except for the final boss. He was just a pain.
RAAM from Gears 1 was boring, pretty much. The berserkers were more challenging than RAAM. RAAM was pretty much Torque Bow, sniper headshot, torque bow, sniper headshot, repeat until he's in grenade range, then spam the 'nades, watch ending cutscene.
I'm not a huge fan of boss fights. A more challenging and complex fire fight is one thing, but a magical enemy who can take ten times as many bullets to head as any of his henchmen? Come-fucking-on.
RAAM from Gears 1 was boring, pretty much. The berserkers were more challenging than RAAM. RAAM was pretty much Torque Bow, sniper headshot, torque bow, sniper headshot, repeat until he's in grenade range, then spam the 'nades, watch ending cutscene.
I'm not a huge fan of boss fights. A more challenging and complex fire fight is one thing, but a magical enemy who can take ten times as many bullets to head as any of his henchmen? Come-fucking-on.
If a boss makes sense in the story or progression of the game, then yes, put them in. If it doesn't leave them out. If it's optional then so be it too.
Boss that makes sense in the story/progression of a game
Boss that doesn't make as much sense, or no sense at all.
Optional "Bosses"
Boss that makes sense in the story/progression of a game
Sephiroth - FF 7
Kefka - FF 6
Kefka - FF 6
Boss that doesn't make as much sense, or no sense at all.
End guy - Bioshock (I forgot his name, it's been a long time since I played the game)
Optional "Bosses"
Colonel Autumn - Fallout 3
Ruby Weapon - FF 7
Ruby Weapon - FF 7