Back when I started to play WoW I started cause a lot of buddies played it. I enjoyed playing the game very much because of the social aspect of it. Everyone was helpful and your faction always seemed to have your back. However over time, I noticed the game was filled with nothing but racists and assholes. Once they brought in the ability to talk to all players within the realm that were in the big cities everything went to hell. No longer could you ask a simple question without getting some smart ass answer from some punk ass kid or overly immature adult. Questions like "Where is the auction house located?" would get you flamed for being a lazy bum who needs to google it. People made it a point to cause heated arguements just cause it was the cool thing to do. Trying to offend everyone is the goal of most within the game now. Oh and you can forget about making a mistake in a put together raid. You get flamed and kicked out...or if you havn't done a boss and ask it would result in a bunch of smart ass answers and probably being kicked. Oh and don't even bother putting a raid together cause there is always one person who jumps in your vent and does nothing but scream on the mic just to be a prick...bans won't work cause they just create another profile and jump right back in. Getting 25 people together to raid without bringing in some arse is near impossible as well. No longer did skill matter as much as your gear score. And loot mattered more than the guild itself. These are the reasons that I quit playing WoW...and after attempt at a couple of more MMO's I found the same bullshit. Are you guys experiencing the same thing? I ask in here becasue so far the mindset of this place seems to be a little more mature with less trolls.
What happened to the WoW community...gaming community in general
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MMO's used to be a thing exclusive to dedicated players, that spent their time playing the game and spending hours upon hours striving to get better gear, 'cause back in the days of vanilla it was damn hard to get. It was a tough game aimed at a dedicated gaming community, just like pretty much every other MMO.
However over time WoW got more casual and MUCH more popular, so more and more began to play, and if you get that many people together, it won't be long before problems start popping up.
However over time WoW got more casual and MUCH more popular, so more and more began to play, and if you get that many people together, it won't be long before problems start popping up.
I want to tell you about when I played. Had a great PvP guild. It was fun we would kill all horde towns on a continent. the leader has to take a short months leave. A ass of a lieutenant comes back. He breaks off to form another. We all follow. Turns out he is a asshole and a troll. Now the guild was destroyed. half the players quite. all I could find is guilds that needed me to be awesome with my class and have all max gear. Well fuck. I quit too. Don't worry I noticed it all too.
I played the trial about two weeks ago and everyone was pretty nice and helpful (I played in the Dentarg PvP realm). I only got as far as level 18 though. Maybe it's something to do with how far you got in the game? I can imagine level 80s being a lot more impatient than the noobies. Or maybe it's just coincedence.
Edit: didn't realise this was about gaming community in general. TBH, I don't notice as much foul play as people let on. I remember when I got Halo 2 (I know this is going back years so it isn't a good example... but how and ever) no one would stop telling me how terrible the community was. But, really, it wasn't that bad. At least no more so than real life. It's been the same for me for every game I've played.
I gotta pay more attention.
Edit: didn't realise this was about gaming community in general. TBH, I don't notice as much foul play as people let on. I remember when I got Halo 2 (I know this is going back years so it isn't a good example... but how and ever) no one would stop telling me how terrible the community was. But, really, it wasn't that bad. At least no more so than real life. It's been the same for me for every game I've played.
I gotta pay more attention.
I understand that they are my friend...but it was all on the same topic and not really long enough to split up...thanks though
I think I'll look that up...somehow I'm sure that this has been broken down to theory lol...
Good explanation Jo...but it seems to be everywhere in the gaming community and not just WoW.
I just don't know when it became cool to be a little asshole
I think I'll look that up...somehow I'm sure that this has been broken down to theory lol...
Good explanation Jo...but it seems to be everywhere in the gaming community and not just WoW.
I just don't know when it became cool to be a little asshole
I think the only way to get around it is to start playing the MMO near the beginning. If it's good enough and grows enough, the amount of losers starts to really climb. I too played WoW, I started very near release (I believe it came out in Nov and I got it in Dec). Anyway, the community was awesome back then from what I recall. Most people were helpful. I suppose it helped that the regular dungeons like Scholomance and Stratholme were harder than the current raid dungeons, so people were used to having to take their time and work through it. I think as WoW became more mainstream, a lot of people - the kind who like to play 50 deathmatches in Halo or CoD every day - got into WoW for various reasons and brought their shit head/give me what I want/I don't give a fuck about anyone else attitude with them. I thought it was still pretty alright during Burning Crusade, but in Wrath of the Litch King the game really got effed up in terms of how retardedly easy it became to beat dugeons, to beat heroics, to raid. I mean brand new, green, lvl 80s can get into a heroic group. That was never possible before. There was no more getting keyed, getting rep. It's like Hey! You just got your drivers? Awesome! Here's the keys to a Ferrari! and then wonder why it went to hell. I preferred how the game had more exclusive aspects in the past, it definitely kept a lot of the douchebaggery down since people had to work just to get there.
WoW free for about 15 or 16 months...
WoW free for about 15 or 16 months...
Ya I guess I'm an oldhead of sorts...I had never played an MMO until WoW and it was way before even BC came out. Had great times back in those days. So many people willing to help and if you were a douchebag you pretty much just got ignored by the entire community.Wolfram01 said:
BC was pretty good as well...but ya they made the game waaayyyyy to easy. I wish it would just go back to the way it was and somehow make it to where you didn't have to dedicate yourself to a 2nd life just to get the gear.
I havn't played the game in over 9 months and all I miss are the memories of old. I went back a few weeks ago cause some old military buddies were playing again and couldn't even get into the game because of all the d baggery going around.
War did you notice the paragraphs? I put em in there just for you my brother.
dunno i played wow pretty much at launch and it was a major step down from the old community of asheron's call.
i mean i rolled a warrior, got to max level thought ok now what? oh ok 5 man dungeon runs, ok now i may have not been the best tank in the world, but i could not show up to a dungeon run and go ok i am a dps warrior, no you had to be a meat shield. of course my success as a meat shield was very based on the people i got pugged with.
everything as a warrior is your fault, no matter if the squishies are nuking the hell out of stuff with aoe before you can get your traditional sunders and taunts in. if they get aggro then you have to ignore the 5 other mobs you not had a time to taunt and run after the ones breaking toward the mages, then the healers start spamming heals to keep the other dps squisheys up then they get aggro then the party get wiped out and you get told how bad you suck.
then you do take two and tell people specifically to stay the f back and let me get my taunts and sunders in before you start doing dps. then things go a bit better than you get to the mini boss drop and it is a set piece for warriors and you got the paladins rolling on it, this particular time one paladin won on both valor arm bracers and won them both and had no intention of giving one out to the tank that was in greens and trying to get his valor set with the excuse well i probably will enchant them diffrent depending on what i am doing. now even the people that gave me a hard time about my tank skills thought he was a a particularly greedy bleep for pulling that stuff and portling out with 2 valor arms.
or the constant having paladins rolling on warrior stuff, i know paladins were the zomg bbq op fotm classes so they of course drew the worst of the worst players that would roll on anything no matter if it was clearly intended for warriors or not.
the wow community has always had a element that was just pure jerk and it is all about me mentality, then wow got really popular 11 12 million subscribers popular and of course that factor went up exponentially.
where as in ac yea there were the occasional jerk playing the op classes but most people were helpful, nice and good to each other. one time i got boned in a event dungeon by people jumping the quest by a mountain shortcut. and 100s of people dying in the boulder room dungeon before we as the "official" event group that had entered via the dev triggered portal even got there.
so upon entering our group was pretty much lag out from the server trying to load the dungeon room and the several hundred corpses piled up there. so we died repeatedly, until i had dropped all my gear had so much death penalty i had to go kill stuff that was level 20 to start to get rid of it and i was like 90 or 100 at this point. then i went back to the event portals after i had gotten some backup gear and lost my death penalty and the event was closed. so my 15 corpses or so were sitting in a dungeon room with no way back inside. and even worse if i could get back in the room was so cluttered my pc and dial up connection would probably lag me out again and kill me some more.
desperately i sat in town waiting for the portals to open and the time on my corpses was getting short, they would decay eventually. when some guy i never met met whispered me "hey if you want i can grab your stuff i am standing right by your corpses" now i had stuff that was worth probably enough to by a mansion in that game, max armors weapons all full upgraded or near it. nothing good was boe or bop in ac. but i had no choice but to take a chance this guy would not bounce off with a kings randsom in loot cause the odds of me getting it back
were very slim.
so what would most people think in that situation? based on game communities these day i bet you would give 10 to 1 odds of ever seeing your stuff again if you permitted some random stranger to loot your corpses.
but he recovered all my armors, weapons, most of my death items met me in town and gave them all back to be in the end i was out some of the uber expensive death items that had dropped on the first corpses but nothing a few weeks would not fix vs loosing years worth of stuff.
i mean i rolled a warrior, got to max level thought ok now what? oh ok 5 man dungeon runs, ok now i may have not been the best tank in the world, but i could not show up to a dungeon run and go ok i am a dps warrior, no you had to be a meat shield. of course my success as a meat shield was very based on the people i got pugged with.
everything as a warrior is your fault, no matter if the squishies are nuking the hell out of stuff with aoe before you can get your traditional sunders and taunts in. if they get aggro then you have to ignore the 5 other mobs you not had a time to taunt and run after the ones breaking toward the mages, then the healers start spamming heals to keep the other dps squisheys up then they get aggro then the party get wiped out and you get told how bad you suck.
then you do take two and tell people specifically to stay the f back and let me get my taunts and sunders in before you start doing dps. then things go a bit better than you get to the mini boss drop and it is a set piece for warriors and you got the paladins rolling on it, this particular time one paladin won on both valor arm bracers and won them both and had no intention of giving one out to the tank that was in greens and trying to get his valor set with the excuse well i probably will enchant them diffrent depending on what i am doing. now even the people that gave me a hard time about my tank skills thought he was a a particularly greedy bleep for pulling that stuff and portling out with 2 valor arms.
or the constant having paladins rolling on warrior stuff, i know paladins were the zomg bbq op fotm classes so they of course drew the worst of the worst players that would roll on anything no matter if it was clearly intended for warriors or not.
the wow community has always had a element that was just pure jerk and it is all about me mentality, then wow got really popular 11 12 million subscribers popular and of course that factor went up exponentially.
where as in ac yea there were the occasional jerk playing the op classes but most people were helpful, nice and good to each other. one time i got boned in a event dungeon by people jumping the quest by a mountain shortcut. and 100s of people dying in the boulder room dungeon before we as the "official" event group that had entered via the dev triggered portal even got there.
so upon entering our group was pretty much lag out from the server trying to load the dungeon room and the several hundred corpses piled up there. so we died repeatedly, until i had dropped all my gear had so much death penalty i had to go kill stuff that was level 20 to start to get rid of it and i was like 90 or 100 at this point. then i went back to the event portals after i had gotten some backup gear and lost my death penalty and the event was closed. so my 15 corpses or so were sitting in a dungeon room with no way back inside. and even worse if i could get back in the room was so cluttered my pc and dial up connection would probably lag me out again and kill me some more.
desperately i sat in town waiting for the portals to open and the time on my corpses was getting short, they would decay eventually. when some guy i never met met whispered me "hey if you want i can grab your stuff i am standing right by your corpses" now i had stuff that was worth probably enough to by a mansion in that game, max armors weapons all full upgraded or near it. nothing good was boe or bop in ac. but i had no choice but to take a chance this guy would not bounce off with a kings randsom in loot cause the odds of me getting it back
were very slim.
so what would most people think in that situation? based on game communities these day i bet you would give 10 to 1 odds of ever seeing your stuff again if you permitted some random stranger to loot your corpses.
but he recovered all my armors, weapons, most of my death items met me in town and gave them all back to be in the end i was out some of the uber expensive death items that had dropped on the first corpses but nothing a few weeks would not fix vs loosing years worth of stuff.
I used to play WoW two years ago, then I stopped.
Now I'm back on it and so far I've not come across anyone stupid. I've found a decent guild with good people.
I've been on it and very active for nearly two weeks now and I've not seen a single bit of abuse getting flung around.
If it bothers you that much, play on a roleplaying server. You just need to be a lot more careful about your spelling, grammar and you can't start chatting about TV. But yeah, on RP servers they tend to be polite.
I think half of the bother was the Mr T adverts, because everyone likes Mr T so more 12 year olds were getting in on the act.
Now I'm back on it and so far I've not come across anyone stupid. I've found a decent guild with good people.
I've been on it and very active for nearly two weeks now and I've not seen a single bit of abuse getting flung around.
If it bothers you that much, play on a roleplaying server. You just need to be a lot more careful about your spelling, grammar and you can't start chatting about TV. But yeah, on RP servers they tend to be polite.
I think half of the bother was the Mr T adverts, because everyone likes Mr T so more 12 year olds were getting in on the act.
whoa whoa their killer, this is a thread about community not a rant session about the inner tankings of WoW....i'm sorry to hear about ur expierance with the game....cerebus23 said:
OT: I played Anarchy Online a few months after it released Notum Wars, i loved the community and they were very helpful. When i switched to WOW, i found it less of a challenge (naturally) when i played my warrior, because the community did not matter as much at lower levels (but it did matter). I fell into the realm of PvPing alot in WoW up until the launch of BC, then i tanked alot found nice peeps to talk to and basically put everyone i knew was a jerk on ignore and didnt talk to them...just ignore people it's that simple, they can't make life changing decisions in ur life thru a game or any of that nonsense so no point listening to them...when Lich King expansion thing came out i played a Hunter for a little bit, got bored of WoW (finally lol) and left....The community i was with when i started playing WoW (3 months after launch or so cant remember) was not around anymore when i lich king came out...
I wouldn't consider quitting WoW a life changing experience but the main reason I quit was because of the lack of quality players and the attitude of the entire WoW community fell in line with that. I wasn't the guy in general chat nerd raging everytime that I didn't like what someone said, I pretty much just ignored it all together and never really said anything. But the idiocracy that was in general chat soon bled over into raids and other instances. This became very annoying and the end result was me quitting the game altogether.
Sucks though because I was good at the game and the gaming aspect of it was fun. I was one of the best tanks on the server at the time and one of the better healers when I was on my druid so it's not like I was a slob in the game. I just think its a sad thing when you have something as good as WoW get ruined. Of course it wouldn't be practical for Blizz to make the game as difficult as it used to be because too many people would quit and they would lose money. I guess that's just business huh lol.
Sucks though because I was good at the game and the gaming aspect of it was fun. I was one of the best tanks on the server at the time and one of the better healers when I was on my druid so it's not like I was a slob in the game. I just think its a sad thing when you have something as good as WoW get ruined. Of course it wouldn't be practical for Blizz to make the game as difficult as it used to be because too many people would quit and they would lose money. I guess that's just business huh lol.
There was a rather stupidly named MMORPG entitled Dofus, which basically played like a cross between D&D and your standard MMO. The community there didn't suck horribly, because most people were helpful, amazingly enough to the point that I started being polite to the newbfaces. Kindness is infectious when everyone's doing it. Well, at least the community was helpful back when I played it.
And as for the rest of the gaming community... Now and days the majority are the loud, obnoxious, yelling, hooting, drunk shitheads that populate most high schools and colleges. Primary reason I steer clear of MMOs, unless you count the Monster Hunter franchise as an MMO.
And as for the rest of the gaming community... Now and days the majority are the loud, obnoxious, yelling, hooting, drunk shitheads that populate most high schools and colleges. Primary reason I steer clear of MMOs, unless you count the Monster Hunter franchise as an MMO.