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Uzigawa said:
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This is one that makes me question atheists, isn't it just the most depressing thought that after around 80 years of life you just become nothing more than a corpse in the ground? I understand all the arguments against Christianity or for that matter any other afterlife-related religion, but can you really go your whole life knowing NOTHING will become of your conscience/soul?

My personal belief is a heaven or hell, but I believe where you go is determined by the purity of your soul at the time of death.
the truth is often bleak, example. one day everyone will die, the sun will go supernova, extinguishing this planet, it may not be sunshine and happiness, but it's true
I must applaud your ability to cope with the bleak and dreary, for I have never been able to allow myself to believe my life will come to an end with nothing to look forward to after death. Plus I've already told myself I'd get to meet my beloved ones who past away due to unnatural causes.

Besides, what's the worst believing in an afterlife could do? Just in case right?
 

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Chainsaws_of_War_2 said:
This is one that makes me question atheists, isn't it just the most depressing thought that after around 80 years of life you just become nothing more than a corpse in the ground? I understand all the arguments against Christianity or for that matter any other afterlife-related religion, but can you really go your whole life knowing NOTHING will become of your conscience/soul?

My personal belief is a heaven or hell, but I believe where you go is determined by the purity of your soul at the time of death.
Sad thing is this is why some Athiests can be bred to be such outspoken and historic people with quite an elitist and demeaning attitude, for a person with this train of thought, will think:"Well I'll be dead but I don't want my legacy and history forgotten, so I've got to do as much talking and stuff people will remember me by so I can exist in history and whenever someone thinks about me, for if I am forgotten I'll truly cease to exist"

Also athiests/agnostics also can't comprehend how someone can waste their life trying to cement their afterlife status instead of living the life they have and trying to impact the world, infact most Athiests try their darndest to impact as much as the world(and in the future,galaxy and universe) as possible, in a good way.
 

Uzigawa

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Chainsaws_of_War_2 said:
Uzigawa said:
Chainsaws_of_War_2 said:
This is one that makes me question atheists, isn't it just the most depressing thought that after around 80 years of life you just become nothing more than a corpse in the ground? I understand all the arguments against Christianity or for that matter any other afterlife-related religion, but can you really go your whole life knowing NOTHING will become of your conscience/soul?

My personal belief is a heaven or hell, but I believe where you go is determined by the purity of your soul at the time of death.
the truth is often bleak, example. one day everyone will die, the sun will go supernova, extinguishing this planet, it may not be sunshine and happiness, but it's true
I must applaud your ability to cope with the bleak and dreary, for I have never been able to allow myself to believe my life will come to an end with nothing to look forward to after death. Plus I've already told myself I'd get to meet my beloved ones who past away due to unnatural causes.

Besides, what's the worst believing in an afterlife could do? Just in case right?
my dad has asked me that, but i can't force a belief on me that i don't believe, i do research in each religion, and always find flaws that limit my ability to believe it, to me, the most believable is reincarnation, if anything i would believe that, but, i think of it like sleeping when i die, just without any dreams, you can't suffer, you aren't thinking, it just...ends. it's not a bad thing, plus think of it, atheism, whats the worst that can happen? i rot in a hole, christianity, whats the worst that can happen? eternal torment and pain.
 

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slowpoke999 said:
Chainsaws_of_War_2 said:
This is one that makes me question atheists, isn't it just the most depressing thought that after around 80 years of life you just become nothing more than a corpse in the ground? I understand all the arguments against Christianity or for that matter any other afterlife-related religion, but can you really go your whole life knowing NOTHING will become of your conscience/soul?

My personal belief is a heaven or hell, but I believe where you go is determined by the purity of your soul at the time of death.
Sad thing is this is why some Athiests can be bred to be such outspoken and historic people with quite an elitist and demeaning attitude, for a person with this train of thought, will think:"Well I'll be dead but I don't want my legacy and history forgotten, so I've got to do as much talking and stuff people will remember me by so I can exist in history and whenever someone thinks about me, for if I am forgotten I'll truly cease to exist"

Also athiests/agnostics also can't comprehend how someone can waste their life trying to cement their afterlife status instead of living the life they have and trying to impact the world, infact most Athiests try their darndest to impact as much as the world(and in the future,galaxy and universe) as possible, in a good way.
hey, i say live your life to the fullest, what's the point of life if you're miserable and taking a blind gamble on it paying off. i intend to commit at least 3 deadly sins before i die, i've got gluttony and sloth down pretty good
 

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Uzigawa said:
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Well technically we came into existence because before we were born we didn't exist, perhaps we aren't even 'living' now we are just a bunch of say data flowing through a computer, the data being our consciousness and the computer being our bodies, data can forever be lost(we die), duplicated and placed in a new computer(cloning) or moved to a new computer(placing our consciousness in another body, though that technology hasn't yet been invented).

I'm agnostic in every sense, don't know, don't care, but there is a possibility reincarnation doesn't exist(every lifeforms on Earth, nay, in all existence can be killed, so we wouldn't be able to reincarnate, making that theory obsolete). As much as believing in afterlife would be nice, I always try to take the rational thought, and consider even thinking about it except to share my thoughts with others such a waste of time, I never even think about it unless someone else mentions it, and guess what, 5 seconds after I enter 'post' I'll forget about it again.
don't think you have a good understanding of reincarnation, it doesn't mean someone is invulnerable, it means when you die, you are put in a new body, no memory of past lives, and what you become is based on deeds in your past life, and surprisingly enough, humans are low on the list of things you become, usually something that was bad in a past life becomes human
What I'm trying to convey is that if everyone in the world were to die, how would they reincarnate when their is no baby or whatever born to 'reincarnate' to?
 

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slowpoke999 said:
Uzigawa said:
slowpoke999 said:
Well technically we came into existence because before we were born we didn't exist, perhaps we aren't even 'living' now we are just a bunch of say data flowing through a computer, the data being our consciousness and the computer being our bodies, data can forever be lost(we die), duplicated and placed in a new computer(cloning) or moved to a new computer(placing our consciousness in another body, though that technology hasn't yet been invented).

I'm agnostic in every sense, don't know, don't care, but there is a possibility reincarnation doesn't exist(every lifeforms on Earth, nay, in all existence can be killed, so we wouldn't be able to reincarnate, making that theory obsolete). As much as believing in afterlife would be nice, I always try to take the rational thought, and consider even thinking about it except to share my thoughts with others such a waste of time, I never even think about it unless someone else mentions it, and guess what, 5 seconds after I enter 'post' I'll forget about it again.
don't think you have a good understanding of reincarnation, it doesn't mean someone is invulnerable, it means when you die, you are put in a new body, no memory of past lives, and what you become is based on deeds in your past life, and surprisingly enough, humans are low on the list of things you become, usually something that was bad in a past life becomes human
What I'm trying to convey is that if everyone in the world were to die, how would they reincarnate when their is no baby or whatever born to 'reincarnate' to?
you reincarnate multiple times, actually, the theory is to move up the chain of reincarnated things until you finally die at the top, in which you reach enlightenment and go to paradise. it's a novel theory actual
 

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My current belief is one I've held for pretty much all of my life since I left primary school - since your conscience is a result of chemical and electrical interactions in your brain and CNS, once they have stopped so too will your conscience. I believe once you die that's it, you don't think or anything. I hate to say there is "nothing" because many people imagine "nothing" as a vast empty space. I don't mean that, I mean ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, no thinking, no feeling, no seeing, no hearing, no smelling. Its hard to picture since you've functioned since your conception and you can't really imagine any different. I just think of it as the same as before you were born. You didn't feel think or do anything.

I hate answering this question too, I always try to explain myself then fail. xD
 

slowpoke999

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Uzigawa said:
slowpoke999 said:
Uzigawa said:
slowpoke999 said:
Well technically we came into existence because before we were born we didn't exist, perhaps we aren't even 'living' now we are just a bunch of say data flowing through a computer, the data being our consciousness and the computer being our bodies, data can forever be lost(we die), duplicated and placed in a new computer(cloning) or moved to a new computer(placing our consciousness in another body, though that technology hasn't yet been invented).

I'm agnostic in every sense, don't know, don't care, but there is a possibility reincarnation doesn't exist(every lifeforms on Earth, nay, in all existence can be killed, so we wouldn't be able to reincarnate, making that theory obsolete). As much as believing in afterlife would be nice, I always try to take the rational thought, and consider even thinking about it except to share my thoughts with others such a waste of time, I never even think about it unless someone else mentions it, and guess what, 5 seconds after I enter 'post' I'll forget about it again.
don't think you have a good understanding of reincarnation, it doesn't mean someone is invulnerable, it means when you die, you are put in a new body, no memory of past lives, and what you become is based on deeds in your past life, and surprisingly enough, humans are low on the list of things you become, usually something that was bad in a past life becomes human
What I'm trying to convey is that if everyone in the world were to die, how would they reincarnate when their is no baby or whatever born to 'reincarnate' to?
you reincarnate multiple times, actually, the theory is to move up the chain of reincarnated things until you finally die at the top, in which you reach enlightenment and go to paradise. it's a novel theory actual
I'm guessing you don't actually believe in reincarnation because of your previous posts but yeah that sounds awfully redundant to me, if they were to cut out the middleman, reincarnation is basically a delayed-afterlife.
 

Uzigawa

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Abengoshis said:
My current belief is one I've held for pretty much all of my life since I left primary school - since your conscience is a result of chemical and electrical interactions in your brain and CNS, once they have stopped so too will your conscience. I believe once you die that's it, you don't think or anything. I hate to say there is "nothing" because many people imagine "nothing" as a vast empty space. I don't mean that, I mean ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, no thinking, no feeling, no seeing, no hearing, no smelling. Its hard to picture since you've functioned since your conception and you can't really imagine any different. I just think of it as the same as before you were born. You didn't feel think or do anything.

I hate answering this question too, I always try to explain myself then fail. xD
good example: a dreamless sleep that you never awake from
 

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The ability to have a consciousness is controlled by the firing of electrons in the brain. When you die, your brain stops firing electrons, hence your consciousness ceases to function.

Death would be much like sleep, except without dreaming, or waking up.
 

Uzigawa

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slowpoke999 said:
Uzigawa said:
slowpoke999 said:
Uzigawa said:
slowpoke999 said:
Well technically we came into existence because before we were born we didn't exist, perhaps we aren't even 'living' now we are just a bunch of say data flowing through a computer, the data being our consciousness and the computer being our bodies, data can forever be lost(we die), duplicated and placed in a new computer(cloning) or moved to a new computer(placing our consciousness in another body, though that technology hasn't yet been invented).

I'm agnostic in every sense, don't know, don't care, but there is a possibility reincarnation doesn't exist(every lifeforms on Earth, nay, in all existence can be killed, so we wouldn't be able to reincarnate, making that theory obsolete). As much as believing in afterlife would be nice, I always try to take the rational thought, and consider even thinking about it except to share my thoughts with others such a waste of time, I never even think about it unless someone else mentions it, and guess what, 5 seconds after I enter 'post' I'll forget about it again.
don't think you have a good understanding of reincarnation, it doesn't mean someone is invulnerable, it means when you die, you are put in a new body, no memory of past lives, and what you become is based on deeds in your past life, and surprisingly enough, humans are low on the list of things you become, usually something that was bad in a past life becomes human
What I'm trying to convey is that if everyone in the world were to die, how would they reincarnate when their is no baby or whatever born to 'reincarnate' to?
you reincarnate multiple times, actually, the theory is to move up the chain of reincarnated things until you finally die at the top, in which you reach enlightenment and go to paradise. it's a novel theory actual
I'm guessing you don't actually believe in reincarnation because of your previous posts but yeah that sounds awfully redundant to me, if they were to cut out the middleman, reincarnation is basically a delayed-afterlife.
it's true i don't. i've looked into it, i don't find it much more practical, i just find it fanciful and interesting, if i could choose which one was true, it'd be that, mainly because it's not based on you blindly following a religion with no proof, any religion can get in, it's purely based on your merits as a human, it's what i wish more religions focused on, i'd like to think if christianity is true, that god could look past my disbelief for reasons that i truly looked into it, and i had no reason to believe, only reasons to not believe, god can't expect us to know everything, if he exists, he made us like that, plus, that leaves someone born in a certain region where christianity is not known, and when they die, they are damned to hell merely for where they were born, doesn't exactly sound logical.
 

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Zenn3k said:
The ability to have a consciousness is controlled by the firing of electrons in the brain. When you die, your brain stops firing electrons, hence your consciousness ceases to function.

Death would be much like sleep, except without dreaming, or waking up.
see, the concept of afterlife isn't that the brain continues, it's that the soul transcends the need of it, that your very likeness and personality go somewhere, it's rather far-fetched but the argument of your brain stopping means nothing to a religious person
 

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Uzigawa said:
Abengoshis said:
My current belief is one I've held for pretty much all of my life since I left primary school - since your conscience is a result of chemical and electrical interactions in your brain and CNS, once they have stopped so too will your conscience. I believe once you die that's it, you don't think or anything. I hate to say there is "nothing" because many people imagine "nothing" as a vast empty space. I don't mean that, I mean ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, no thinking, no feeling, no seeing, no hearing, no smelling. Its hard to picture since you've functioned since your conception and you can't really imagine any different. I just think of it as the same as before you were born. You didn't feel think or do anything.

I hate answering this question too, I always try to explain myself then fail. xD
good example: a dreamless sleep that you never awake from
The problem with that is that when you're asleep you still breathe etc. xD

And I think there's still some consciousness in sleep. There's REM too.
 

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Every part of yourself continues to exist but in a different form. You are immersed back into the planet/universe to continue the never ending cycle of everything. You just never get to experience any of it because you will be dead.
 

Uzigawa

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Abengoshis said:
Uzigawa said:
Abengoshis said:
My current belief is one I've held for pretty much all of my life since I left primary school - since your conscience is a result of chemical and electrical interactions in your brain and CNS, once they have stopped so too will your conscience. I believe once you die that's it, you don't think or anything. I hate to say there is "nothing" because many people imagine "nothing" as a vast empty space. I don't mean that, I mean ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, no thinking, no feeling, no seeing, no hearing, no smelling. Its hard to picture since you've functioned since your conception and you can't really imagine any different. I just think of it as the same as before you were born. You didn't feel think or do anything.

I hate answering this question too, I always try to explain myself then fail. xD
good example: a dreamless sleep that you never awake from
The problem with that is that when you're asleep you still breathe etc. xD

And I think there's still some consciousness in sleep. There's REM too.
i don't mean the physical state, purely mental, of course you don't breathe, and yes while the brain is active in sleep, your mind doesn't process most of it, making it to you just seem like a short interval, and anything it does process is dreams, which like i said, death is like a dream-less sleep.