What has led to the decline of boxing?
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Because boxing is a barbaric and juvenile sport.
We're living in a time of sun-shine, flowers, unicorns, rainbows and lots o' love, so of course we can't have fun while watching burly men beat up eachother while wearing padded mittens. (If the sarcasm wasn't obvious enough i want you to know that it was indeed sincere)
We're living in a time of sun-shine, flowers, unicorns, rainbows and lots o' love, so of course we can't have fun while watching burly men beat up eachother while wearing padded mittens. (If the sarcasm wasn't obvious enough i want you to know that it was indeed sincere)
Because just like football, today's "Heroes" are long gone and our Role-Models are turning into Abusive, Drug using alcoholics who swear, rape and beat up people in public venues.
Plus UFC isn't just Jab-Jab-Punch; it's locks, holds, strikes, pressure points, fractures, etc.
Plus UFC isn't just Jab-Jab-Punch; it's locks, holds, strikes, pressure points, fractures, etc.
Most people have evolved past watching idiots belting the crap out of each other and the ones who haven't know boxing is a waste of time as a fighting style because dudes like Bruce Lee coulda kicked any boxers ass before they knew what even hit em.
I don't like boxing due to the attitude/retardedness of boxers themselves.
Just watch any Mohammad Ali interview and you'll see what a tool the guy is - Incapable of a decent conversation and behaves like the aspy kids at school did. Couldnt appreciate the fame and money the American public has given him and was just a rude & arrogant traitor to them. (dodged the draft = proof he's not so tough and a coward when it came to crunch time)
This is made worse because most boxers wanna be like him so they copy him, leaving us with lots of people actually trying to be bigger idiots. Not a good result for boxing as a sport.
I don't like boxing due to the attitude/retardedness of boxers themselves.
Just watch any Mohammad Ali interview and you'll see what a tool the guy is - Incapable of a decent conversation and behaves like the aspy kids at school did. Couldnt appreciate the fame and money the American public has given him and was just a rude & arrogant traitor to them. (dodged the draft = proof he's not so tough and a coward when it came to crunch time)
This is made worse because most boxers wanna be like him so they copy him, leaving us with lots of people actually trying to be bigger idiots. Not a good result for boxing as a sport.
No Viet-Cong ever called him "******". He didn't "dodge" the draft, he was stripped of his world title and sent to jail. He went to jail because he thought the war was immoral. There is a reason he is known as "The Greatest".IbanezLaney said:
I hope you are trolling.
False.Kryzantine said:
Boxing gloves give hardly any protection to the other guy, and are pretty much there to protect the boxers hands. This is one of the main arguments against Boxing's safety, the fact you can punch a dude in the head all day and not hurt yourself.
Anyways.
I've never liked Boxing, simply because - Why watch one form of combat sport (boxing) when I can watch a whole bunch of combat sports (boxing, kickboxing, wrestling, jiu jitsu) in one.
Personally, I prefer MMA and would never choose to watch a boxing match instead. I also take issue with the idea that one mistake in an MMA match doesn't mean much. Tell that to Chuck Liddell or anyone else who's been knocked out, taken down and pounded, or submitted after slightly misjudging one punch or kick attempt. But that's not the point of this thread.
Why is boxing failing? Too much money, not enough exposure and a lack of organization. No one really knows or cares about the top boxers right now because they don't fight enough and are perceived as only in it for the money. If you are even slightly interested in boxing, you're pretty much forced to wait or pay big money to watch the big fights. MMA, on the other hand, does TV both in the form of televised fight cards and in the form of their "reality" series. You also know where to go for your MMA fix with a handful of clearly established associations to better establish rivalries, regular cards and provide built in training grounds for up and comers. In short, MMA is more popular and known right now because it's a much better and tighter run ship.
Why is boxing failing? Too much money, not enough exposure and a lack of organization. No one really knows or cares about the top boxers right now because they don't fight enough and are perceived as only in it for the money. If you are even slightly interested in boxing, you're pretty much forced to wait or pay big money to watch the big fights. MMA, on the other hand, does TV both in the form of televised fight cards and in the form of their "reality" series. You also know where to go for your MMA fix with a handful of clearly established associations to better establish rivalries, regular cards and provide built in training grounds for up and comers. In short, MMA is more popular and known right now because it's a much better and tighter run ship.
Its just too one-dimensional. Just punching then being stuck hugging each other isnt very entertaining.
The only reason i liked boxing is that i could punch better for MMA on my feet.
Though MMA does have the problem of someone paying money to watch a fight only for the weaker guy to choke or submit the other guy before the first minute is over, dosnt happen all the time but still annyoing.
The only reason i liked boxing is that i could punch better for MMA on my feet.
Though MMA does have the problem of someone paying money to watch a fight only for the weaker guy to choke or submit the other guy before the first minute is over, dosnt happen all the time but still annyoing.
A bare knuckle punch to the head hurts the puncher, so bare-knuckle boxers stick to the body.Kryzantine said:
Gloved punches to the head don't hurt the puncher, so the receiver is going to take several blows to the head, which can cause ear damage, brain damage, neck damage, burst blood vessels, and you guessed it death from blunt force trauma.
Bare knuckle is the way forward people. It's actually less barbaric.
Wrestling has also declined in the last 20 years for the same reasons here - Lack of air time on non-premium channels.
I think MMA and UFC are sort of a combination of the two. It combines the reality of boxing with the showy charm and build up of pro-wrestling. In a way, it's a superior show to both and I see why it appeals to a lot of people.
I can only speak for the UK, but without Sky or Sports packages, the only boxing I see is on late at night usually only showing 1 or 2 fights. When that fight can finish in one round, it's disappointing and it's also on at a bad time for it to be popular. At least UFC put on a long card of matches.
Plus the main advantage UFC has over WWE and TNA now... is that for some reason, it's manly to watch UFC. You're still watching half naked men locking each other between their legs... but hey ho - the hypocrisy of the gruff heterosexual man knows no bounds.
I think MMA and UFC are sort of a combination of the two. It combines the reality of boxing with the showy charm and build up of pro-wrestling. In a way, it's a superior show to both and I see why it appeals to a lot of people.
I can only speak for the UK, but without Sky or Sports packages, the only boxing I see is on late at night usually only showing 1 or 2 fights. When that fight can finish in one round, it's disappointing and it's also on at a bad time for it to be popular. At least UFC put on a long card of matches.
Plus the main advantage UFC has over WWE and TNA now... is that for some reason, it's manly to watch UFC. You're still watching half naked men locking each other between their legs... but hey ho - the hypocrisy of the gruff heterosexual man knows no bounds.
UFC is more violent and therefore more exciting to people there is not much to it really. Also the lack of variety is what some people dislike as well. In Boxing all you can do is punch. Yes there are varieties of punches Jab, Hook/Hay-maker, etc in things like UFC they have kicks, locks, grabs and grappling so there is more of a variety.
Burningsok said:
Simple remedy to a boxer only. Kick, Kick, Kick, Kick, Kick and repeat. Seriously if you only use punches you will loose. Doesn't matter if the guy is fast. One good powered kick to the stomach will the boxer really stop and think about their strategy. I am not saying that Boxers are useless. Have either of you actually gotten a full force kick of a Taekwondo style person or an Axe kick on the head? I have and it is not fun and in UFC it is all in so they will be going to do damage. If the Boxer gets in range they will have a good chance to win if their opponent is not skilled in grapple or throws or close quarter knees, elbows. While yes a Boxer is good they would have their work cut out for them even in Close Quarters.Kryzantine said:
I did Taekwondo for several years, and yes, I know what it feels like to be kick and be kicked around. Perhaps you're simply underestimating how tough a boxer can get, but I know that kicks won't be as effective as you think they will be. Perhaps the axe kick can, I don't know, but you'd be surprised how resilient the boxer will prove to be. I faced several opponents who had a shorter leg reach than me when I did Taekwondo, and it's surprising how many ways people will find to get in close on somebody. While I'm not a pro by any means, all I'm saying is that kicks won't automatically make the fight.
This is one of those things that a show like Sports Science or Greatest Warrior should do.
This is one of those things that a show like Sports Science or Greatest Warrior should do.
The problem that boxing has is that there are no charismatic individuals involved these days. The sport was brought to the forefront of world attention by people like Muhammad Ali, George Foreman and Joe Frazier. When those guys fought the whole world watched, todays boxers aren't that interesting. UFC may be getting mainstream viewers in the US but its unheard of over here in the UK, it goes out on some satellite channel late at night.
